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  1. What a debacle. While I am glad to see Catka get an invite, the Dapper committee’s WPIAL-favoritism has screwed deserving guys out of their spot, as predicted. Up at HWT there sits a 2x PA champ, Whitehill, #6 in the nation and Pitt commit, who will sit at home, denied the chance to compete in Pitt’s gym before his future fans, because the Dapper people eliminated his weight class (claiming he isn’t deserving enough). At 220, as predicted a senior won, Dorian Crosby, son of the great Melvin Crosby, knocking off the returning state champ (#7 Schon). Crosby is also the guy who kept Catka from being a 3x’er, and is nationally ranked. Crosby will now sit at home too. Who benefited? The two WPIAL guys that I mentioned. This was all just a setup to hand out spots on the main card to WPIAL guys who weren’t tops at their weight, and who the Dapper committee apparently could not stomach putting on the undercard as they have in years past. As others have said, I don’t even have a major problem with adding weights, though we could do without the WPIAL favoritism. (Hillegas has now lost 2 years in a row and Stout is just a 1x’er — both are studs, but certainly no non-WPIAL state champs got this honor.) But to do so at the expense of the guys who are legitimately tops at their weight is totally contrary to the statewide spirit of this event. And it really rubs salt in the wound for them to say they aren’t really deserving, when in truth this is all just WPIAL back-scratching. It’s a disgrace. The organizers should be ashamed.
  2. I agree. Even if 113 lacks a medalist (which is unlikely) you can usually drop down a 120lber. If there's an extra 2x'er, which is rare, usually they too can be squeezed in by bumping up/down to a senior-less weight.
  3. What would I do? Same thing that's always been done: Leave the weight classes as is. See how PA states go, and move guys up/down as needed to fit the most deserving guys in. Maybe, in extraordinary circumstances, add an extra weight, but only after states are over. I'll tell you what I definitely would NOT do: Delete the 285lb weight class where PA has two seniors in the top 5 including the #1 overall, claiming PA has no one "top tier" there. And I wouldn't preemptively announce there's going to be two 138lbers and 195lbers, as you really don't know how that's going to happen until they wrestle. (Hillegas lost to a junior this weekend. Stout and Garcia are favored but you never know.) And I'd try to avoid the blatant favoritism of WPIAL guys. As for what happens if Crosby loses to Schon at 220: You could (a) put in the AA champ if he's a senior, (b) drop down Catka to 220 and have Whitehill handle 285, (c) bump up either Stout or Garcia to face Amos, or (d) stick in Crosby anyway if he's runner-up, as he'd be 3x top 5. But unfortunately the Dapper organizers killed options (b) and (c) by deleting the HWT class and doubling up on 195lbers before the post-season even started, so maybe you should take your concern to them.
  4. If that’s the plan it is poorly conceived. What if Crosby wins at 220 — which seems likely, given that he just beat Schon? He sits at home? And if you “drop” Catka down to 220 (or find a catchweight) then Whitehill, the soon-to-be 2xer sits at home because HWT was eliminated? I’m fine with a Catka v Amos match but that just screws over other guys. Whose boneheaded idea was it to have ONE guy for both of 220 and HWT (despite the abundant talent at those weights), while having two 195lbers — and announcing it before the postseason even started?
  5. Interesting. I guess that begs the question whether you throw the brick if you get scored on that way? They reversed the point in the Barjang match, but what if the ref thinks its foot-on-foot but "not really a stomp" -- then you lose a point for the challenge? (Or is any scoring attempt using this technique going to be disallowed, if caught/exposed?) Anyway thanks for insight.
  6. That makes sense for things like finger-grabs but how do you slap off a foot stomp? Just a finger-wag and a tut-tut, I guess? Maybe we should spend more time teaching the foot-stomp single. I mean, if there's no adverse consequence unless you're caught repeatedly -- and since, as the JO match (and Yazdani's entire career) shows, its usually undetected -- we should be doing this a whole lot more than we are. If they won't change the rules, adapt.
  7. That's pretty amazing. Good eye, JBluegill (and Makoma). My question is -- if its illegal, why isn't there a penalty point if its caught? If the only penalty is to disallow the score (as with Bajrang), what's the disincentive to try? Hopefully the next time someone wrestles Bajrang, they have an extra guy in the corner just to watch his feet and to be ready to throw the brick. They missed it 4 times at Kolov!
  8. Hmm. First post, huh? You created an account just to respond to my post? Sounds like you may have some inside information... on the organizing committee perhaps? If you know what's going on, why don't you just spill? Because a lot of folks on the eastern part of the state are pretty ticked at you guys right now. Freezing out Catka (or Whitehill) to make room for Stout just because he's a WPIAL guy was a BS move and you know it. Don't say "don't open your mouth" when YOU guys are the one who issued a press release about how you're eliminating HWT because PA doesn't have anyone good there this year. If you're correcting that error, good, but do it publicly.
  9. In case you missed it, the organizers of the Pittsburgh Wrestling Classic, aka the Dapper Dan, announced that they are dropping the 285lb weight class, apparently for this year only, from the March 15 all-star dual, thereby denying PA HWT superstar Hunter Catka the chance to compete. Is it justified? And shouldn't they reconsider? The explanation for the weight change is here: http://wrestlingclassic.com/ Click the "Weight Class Change Explanation" link. The organizers state that they "decided to drop the 113 lbs. and 285 lbs. weight classes and replace them with two 138 lbs. and 195 lbs. weights." Why? Because, they explain, it is in "the best interest of the event" and "the goal to provide the fans with the best senior high school wrestlers," an overabundance in other weights and, my personal favorite, "the lack of top tier high school seniors in Pennsylvania." That's not a crazy explanation as it pertains to 113, where there's often a dearth of top-tier seniors, but 285? Really? Lets talk about Hunter Catka. He's the #1 ranked Heavyweight in the country, per Flo and pretty much everyone. He's a former state champion. He has two losses in the last 3 years -- one to Nate Schon as a soph (which he avenged at states, taking 1st), and an upset as a junior to Erie's Crosby in the state quarters (which he avenged 9-0 in the 3rd place match). He's undefeated this year (34-0), Beast champion, he's bonused in EVERY match, with only 3 matches going the distance. Committed to Va Tech. And if you've ever seen him wrestle, you'd see he's one of the most athletic and entertaining heavies out there. Not "top tier"? Not among "the best high school wrestlers"? The consensus national #1? Seriously? I have no inside information, but my guess is that its driven by a desire to make room for Sam Hillegas and Luke Stout, both WPIAL guys, in the Pittsburgh area where the event is organized. Hillegas is poised to be a 3x'er, but his 138lb spot would be taken by Beau Bartlett, who beat him this year. And 195lb Stout is the AAA favorite, but is also a 0x champ, and in the same weight as Gaige Garcia, a returning AA champ from the NE region. Assuming both win states, there's no objective criteria to pick Stout over Garcia, as both beat Malvern Prep's Nick Feldman 3-2, but Garcia would have by far the better career mark of 5-3-1-1. I have nothing against Hillegas or Stout, and I get that WPIAL organizers want to look out for their guys, but there's lots of better work-arounds than eliminating a weight class that screws over one of PA's top seniors. One, there's a WPIAL undercard, so you can always put Hillegas and Stout there -- as after all, over the course of the event, there's been lots of state champs in the undercard. Two, even if you really want them on the main roster, just bump one of the 138/195lbers up or down -- there's a long history at the Dapper of doing exactly this. Three, if you really want them on the main roster and don't want to bump anyone up or down, fine -- just have two 138s and 195s, and leave the others (or at least HWT) alone. Its happened before (e.g. 2000, with two 119lbs, to accommodate Chris Fleeger and Justin Spates). Do you really think anyone attending the event will *complain* about having to watch an extra match? Oh the horrors! If its a time constraint, fine, slice off a weak weight or two from the WPIAL undercard. I don't know Catka, so maybe there's something I don't know. Did he tell them he wasn't interested in attending? Although even then, PA has the #6 HWT in the country too, also a senior, Colby Whitehill. Did he steal Dapper Dan's girlfriend? I can't figure it out. Going to the Dapper Dan is a pinnacle of the high school career of the top PA wrestlers, and I can't think of any good reason why they would deny this honor to Hunter Catka, who is as deserving as they come. If you agree, maybe some of you Twitter users can ping the Dapper folks at @PWrClassic to get some justice for Hunter.
  10. This kid is giving me whiplash with the love/hate/love sentiment he's triggered in me the past few years. In high school, I LOVED that he refused to go to a different weight as a senior, seeking out a rematch with Lee after getting teched the year before. I LOVED that he won that match, refusing to let up in the third period. I LOVED that after that match, even when Lee gave him credit and wouldn't use his injury as an excuse, DeSanto made a point of volunteering that Lee clearly was favoring his leg and wasn't at 100%. And I LOVED that he stuck with his commitment to Drexel -- and that he continued to make noise there as a freshman with his relentless style. But I HATED that another side started to show at Drexel -- seemingly trying to injury his opponents. The match with Charles Tucker was an eye-opener, and the NCAA match against Micic was horrifying. I HATED that he transferred to Iowa -- not just because I'm no fan of them, but also because his bad tendencies were apt to get worse there, not reined in. And once at Iowa, as expected, I HATED that not only did he continue with physical unsportsmanlike conduct, he added a verbal component to it too, jawing repeatedly at opponents and generally making an ass of himself. Yet now the pendulum is swinging back again. He's openly admitted his past conduct has been out of bounds and needs to change, and so far this year, he's been pretty well disciplined. He's continued to be relentless and has upped his technique too, and for the most part he hasn't acted like a douche when, for example, losing to Gross. All good. And I loved his last match against OSU, where he destroyed the kid the "right way" -- breaking the kid, but more to get the tech than to be an ass, and then getting the hell off the mat without adding any BS shoves/jawing. Hope DeSanto stays this way as I want to root for him.
  11. I appreciate honesty in a coach's comments, but what sort of rubs me the wrong way is the unwillingness of these coaches to criticize themselves. Particularly listening to Dresser, you'd think that the reason they lost to Okie State has 100% to do with the wrestlers' life choices and 0% to do with any coaching shortcomings. And maybe that's true, but do we really know? The title for this thread should probably be "D1 Coaches who are not afraid to criticize their wrestlers" or "not afraid to speak their mind." Whether what they are saying is true is another matter.
  12. I will confess that, at the end of the day, and all numbers aside, this is the argument that really matters to me. I'm not a fan of the practice of certain high school wrestling states splitting their state tournament into 4 or 5 tiers (A, AA, AAA, AAAA, etc), even when the overall number of teams is small -- such that everyone and their cousin is a "state medalist." Many of these guys wouldn't even be starters in other states. It does devalue the "state medalist" designation IMO. But in D1, even the 8th place finishers are absolute terrors -- every one of them a guy who eats, drinks and breathes wrestling -- while guys who won multiple high school state titles are still struggling to get a D1 starting spot. I can't think of a D1 AA that I would consider objectively undeserving. Lefty's argument carries exactly zero water with me. Eight is just right.
  13. If what you are saying is correct then I agree it wouldn't be a copyright issue, as it is newly-created content -- e.g. rankings as of that date, as opposed to the last date he was with Flo, even if similar or identical. But what Flo seems to be saying is that it was literally downloaded and copied. That's a technical copyright violation, but as mentioned previously, its inconsequential in the rankings context, as its gone in a week. Probably not a great move to use the same title of his rankings that he used when he was with Flo (if that is true), as any protectable rights would below to Flo -- although here, I highly doubt those rights are protectable, as short phrases aren't copyrightable and it probably isn't well known enough to be a trademark issue. Either way its kind of a non-issue since Flo didn't bring any intellectual property claims, just the non-compete issue, plus a claim against Rokfin for interfering.
  14. It is a bit odd that Martin signed the non-compete. At the very least Rofkin can't claim lack of notice. Conversely perhaps Martin could claim that, because he knew the agreement, he also knew it wasn't enforceable. Of course, that doesn't look great either that he had Willie sign it anyway, and it does make much of their defense stand or fall on their effort to invalidate the agreement. (What would look *really* bad is if Martin had Willie sign a new non-compete for Rofkin!) As for overbreadth, you're generally correct about geography, but other factors come into play too, including duration, scope of the restriction, extent of business need, etc. Also bear in mind that the enforceability of non-competition clauses vary widely based on state law -- some are highly permissive and others, like California, presumptively reject them. This one's governed by Texas law and they've got their own thing going, but as a general rule, if enforcing a non-compete would literally keep someone from practicing their craft (here, being a wrestling commentator/journalist), then its a good bet it will get dramatically blue-penciled or invalidated altogether.
  15. Pretty weak argument. Top-8 is a pretty standard D1 designation for All-American individual sports, e.g. track and field, gymnastics, etc. For some its more, e.g. tennis is top 16 for singles. Wrestling also skips the "second team" or honorable mention" All-American stuff that some other sports have (e.g. swimming, football). The total count is higher is wrestling only because there's multiple weight classes, but that's also the case with other sports with internal variants (e.g. different swimming and track and field events). Pointing out the smaller number of programs doesn't hold much water since the overall high school participation remains comparatively high -- roughly 250K -- which means wrestling is actually more competitive than most other sports to actually be become a starter of a D1 team. That means only about 1 in 350 high school wrestlers will be a D1 starter. That's less than nearly all other sports, including football.
  16. A few quick thoughts. -- The non-compete is pretty lacking in limitations, and I question whether they'll be able to enforce it. Apart from the one year limitation, it is probably overbroad. It seems that the "geographic territory" they're seeking to impose is nationwide, and the activities in question concern essentially everything he does. It'd be one thing if Willie's skills were particularly specialized, but that just isn't the case. If the effect of a non-compete is to essentially put the person out of work for the duration of the non-compete it probably isn't enforceable, and that appears to be the case here. -- There's also a question whether there was adequate consideration for the non-compete. In Texas, the promise of continued employment isn't enough. Maybe the gain of access to confidential info would be enough, but most of the info isn't particularly confidential as far as I can tell. -- There's a few IP theft allegations floating around in there, e.g. the "big board" appearing on Rofkin and Willie's "who's no. 1" comments, but there are no IP claims in the lawsuit itself -- e.g. no claims of copyright infringement, trademark infringement, trade secret misappropriation, and so on. Just breach of the non-compete and tortious interference against the company. Presumably they'll try to use the latter to leverage an agreement on the former, but they'll be out of luck if Willie/Rofkin defend and beat the contract claims. I sort of get why they didn't push the IP claims as the reality is that most of the "ideas" that Willie "took" aren't really protectable anyway -- save a potential copyright claim if rankings content was lifted wholesale (as is implied), which is probably a technical violation, but I doubt Flo would want to deal with getting a copyright registration just for rankings that are fluid anyway. -- There's a suggestion in the lawsuit that Willie was in discussions with Rofkin while still at Flo, but whether there's anything to that really turns on how enforceable the non-compete is -- and as indicated I have my doubts. I haven't been following this all that closely, but I assume Rofkin will lawyer up on their and Willie's behalf and push back on the agreement's enforceability. Flo would, I suspect, be wise to keep their demands relatively limited to keep ownership of some of the specific content created while at Flo, and otherwise let it go.
  17. If you read Taylor’s post in its entirety, it is apparent he isn’t saying Downey was “gifted” the spot in that Taylor handed it to him (even though it’s true) but rather that any chance to represent your country involves an alignment of the stars for which competitors should be grateful. Read the paragraph preceding the quote.
  18. Rewatching the finals, I think we may have witnessed something unusual in the Nolf and Nickal finals, where they deliberately avoided running up the score in deference to, and respect for, their opponents. In Nolf’s case, I’m sure I wasn’t the only one wondering why Nolf basically stopped trying to score halfway through, content to just ride Berger out with the major locked up. Any other match, I’d expect Nolf to go for the pin or tech. But what was the first thing Nold said in his post match interview? He didn’t even get asked about Berger’s Twitter comments, but it was obviously foremost on Nolf’s mind, as he proceeded to defend Berger as a great wrestler whose comments merely showed he was passionate. Watching the second half of the match again through that lens, you can basically see Berger ... I won’t say “break,” but realize he won’t win and dials it back. And Nolf senses that and respects it, taking the rideout for the win. To me, it was a conscious decision not to rub up the score as he usually does, driven by a sense that doing so would humilite Berger and break his spirit in an unnecessary way. Nickal gave me a similar sense at the end. Like Berger, Moore sufferered only 2 losses on the season going into the finals, both at the hands of the PSU 2x champ. Once Nickal locked up the cradle, and all of us watching were waiting for Nickal to at least try to drive it over (see Nickal-Moore 1st match), it seemed like Nickal sensed that Moore stopped contesting the bout at that point, and was resigned to lose — and Nickal seemingly made the calculation that, with his title and the team title locked up, and this being his last match, the more sportsmanlike thing to do would be to just let the match end there. As though he, like Nolf, didn’t really feel the need to add an exclamation point at the expense of a thrice-defeated opponent who was now resigned to lose. For both, I think it was an exercise in humility. And watching it a second time, in context, rather than being frustrated at them for not “putting on a show” with an over-the-top dominant performance, I find myself with newfound respect for what they did and how they conducted themselves. Not that holding back is ordinarily sportsmanlike conduct — it isn’t — but here I think both made a judgment that, in context, it was the right thing to do. And to me, it puts an entirely different spin in finals matches that i thought at the time were a bit lackluster. Your interpretation may differ, but rewatch those matches through that lens and see what you think.
  19. Οι παλαιστές είναι πολύ μορφωμένοι.
  20. Haven't read all the comments, but what is striking to me about the article is how off base the author's "Icarus" comments are. The author's perception seemed limited to what he saw before him in Paris: The diminutive Sadulaev challenging the massive Snyder, trying to somehow topple this mammoth being like David against Goliath. I suppose that's understandable, as Snyder was indeed bigger, and the author admits he had only recently started following international wrestling. But that wasn't the reality. Going into that match, the wrestling community viewed Sadulaev as a god, whereas Snyder was world-class but beatable. I'd venture that well over 75% of the international wrestling community would've ranked Sadulaev the best pound-for-pound wrester in the world. Maybe over 90%. He hadn't lost in forever, and scarcely anyone had been able to score on him. Snyder, by contrast, had taken his share of losses over the prior couple years, but had been able to win when it counts at Worlds/Olympics in 2015 and 16. Very few people would've considered him the best pound for pound wrestler in the world. Even on these USAW boards, it would definitely have been a minority view. So when Sadulaev went up a weight, nearly everyone figured Snyder to be the underdog. The question wasn't really whether Sadulaev was the better wrestler, but whether he'd be a full-sized 97kg or if there'd still be enough of a size difference to give Snyder a shot. (Turns out there was, and a conditioning difference to boot.) The author also seizes on Snyder's social media posts, apparently inferring that he's destined for a downfall. But there's really nothing boastful in Snyder's posts or interview comments; just confidence. And I highly doubt Snyder's confidence was any higher than Sadulaev's, who was clearly shocked to have lost, along with the entire Russian delegation. The author didn't seem to get that Snyder's pleasure at seeing Sadulaev move up was more about Snyder's love of competing against the best, win or lose; indeed, that's clearly why Snyder competes so frequently. Snyder never presented himself as unbeatable -- nor could he, as he'd taken various losses (World Cup, Yarygin) in the preceding couple years. Most of us in the wrestling community viewed him as beatable as well. (And even post-Sadulaev, I don't think anyone views Snyder as an unbeatable god; a favorite for sure, but against top competition, his matches remain close.) If anyone deserved a comparison to Icarus, it'd be Sadulaev, as it was immensely bold of him to think he could bump up a weight -- without physically filing out, and without being in peak cardiovascular condition -- and knock off Snyder, likely viewing Snyder as insufficiently technical to compete with him despite Snyder's size and strength advantage. As it turns out, it was Sadulaev who flew too close to the sun.
  21. Man, I hope you guys are just trolling. After beating Chamizo, JB shook hands, embraced, and looked like he said some complimentary words. Did you see the video? Not sure what else you want. As for Iran, its hard to think of any current US wrestler who has been more complimentary of Iran or their fans, or vice-versa -- a mutual affection that seems to have started with the 2012 post-Olympic embrace of Goudarzi and JB. As for the World Cup gift, immediately afterwards JB posted on Twitter: "Iran thank you for honoring our family with a gift before the dual! " See https://twitter.com/alliseeisgold/status/742167279979352064?lang=en Then the joke: "@FloWrestling Turns out the gift from Iran last night was actually a present from Yazdani. He wanted to thank me for not wrestling in LA. " See https://twitter.com/alliseeisgold/status/742488260371435529?lang=en Unless you have absolutely zero sense of humor, there is nothing remotely disrespectful there. JB doesn't hide his confidence -- and yes, on the mat he can sometime push the envelope with his handfighting -- but overall he is a model sportsman, and a great ambassador for the sport and the U.S.
  22. You seem to be under the illusion that wrestling is a selfish meritocracy where the coaches have no say in the matter. It happens ALL THE TIME that the better wrestler will go at a less-than-ideal weight to make room for a talented but lesser wrestler. Maybe the better wrestler makes that decision himself "for the good of the team," maybe its partly a friendship thing to make room for his buddy, maybe its following the request of the coaches who want to assemble the strongest lineup possible. Maybe its a combination of these. Lee is a team-oriented guy and I'm sure he'd want to do what's best for the team. And even if he didn't -- if both Lee and Suriano wanted to go 133, and Lee certified at 125 but Suriano didn't, do you seriously think the coaches wouldn't step in and say "sorry Spencer, we need you at 125"? These situations -- where 2 blue-chip wrestlers occupy 2 weight classes -- typically are resolved informally pre-season, and are settled by wrestle-offs only if they can't find a solution beforehand. I'm not saying this was a determinative factor for Lee -- or even saying it was a negative rather than a positive factor -- but *of course* it was a consideration in his decision.
  23. Oh come on, of course Suriano being at PSU was a factor for Lee. On the plus side, that's a great practice partner. On the downside, he has to know that PSU isn't going to want either of them ride the bench after expending that scholarship money, so they'll expect one to go 125 and one to go 133. And if he thinks they're both career 125s, or both will want to bump to 133, he knows he can expect pressure from the coaching staff to go to a weight that isn't ideal for him. It isn't about being "afraid" of making the lineup, its knowing that coaches recruit to fill particular weights, and will expect two blue-chip recruits to make room for each other.
  24. 125 Lee 133 DeSanto 141 Murin 157 Kemerer 174 Young PA boys all. Not certain all will start, but very plausible. In any case they'll likely have more PA natives than PSU, which may have as few as 2 (Nolf and Joseph.... with other possible starters being Teasdale and Verkleeren). Interesting. My comment: Tom Brands, realizing that he'd have a hard time competing if Cael monopolized all the top PA talent, started recruiting hard in PA to make inroads in Cael's base. In recent years he finally started having success -- especially with Lee. But ironically, much of his recent success in PA is due in part to the fact that PSU has become a top destination for kids outside of PA, resulting in many top PA kids getting left behind as PSU scholarship money and recruiting effort goes to higher-regarded out-of-state kids. Iowa has been snapping them up. And now that there's a critical mass of PA kids there, many of whom know each other, there are pipelines in place that enable Iowa to one-up PSU -- e.g. first Kemerer, then Lee his high school teammate, then DeSanto who knows Lee, and so on. I don't blame Cael for seeking out the nation's best but he needs to tend to the homefront too.
  25. 2 time PA champ. But point taken -- tOSU does have a long history of failing to develop multi-time PA champs. Maybe Courts would have been better off elsewhere.
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