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  1. Vegetables are food???? I thought they were just on the plate for color next to my steak and potato. I didn't know you could actually EAT them.
  2. You do if it's flagrant misconduct.
  3. An excerpt from my post on the other thread concering the step out point as relates to escapes (was referring to a slightly different situation but would sill work): Also it (step out point) only applies when wrestling is started in the neutral position. I'm thinking about a way to let it apply after an escape or similar situation and considering that the step out should also apply at other times if one wrestler has returned to the middle circle. As an example, wrestling on the mat, an escape happens near the edge. If someone goes OB then, no point. BUT if, after the escape, one of the wrestlers returns to the middle circle then the step out rule would begin to apply again. That would help with someone gaming the system by getting an escape and then playing the edge. His opponent could return to the middle and enable the step out rule.
  4. I had the point being waved off if both wrestlers return to in bounds as that is the least intrusive as to current rules. If a wrestler steps out but then comes back in bounds, I don't see a need to penalize him. He didn't really use OB to avoid wrestling and it may have been an inadvertent step out of bounds. I don't see we should penalize someone in that situation. I don't like putting a time limit on finishing something. Just let the wrestling play out as it would now and then enforce any penalty. That way there really isn't much change to the wrestling. Step out point is enforced unless both wrestlers return in bounds or someone scores. Not much difference in the wrestling that way. Also it only applies when wrestling is started in the neutral position. I'm thinking about a way to let it apply after an escape or similar situation and considering that the step out should also apply at other times if one wrestler has returned to the middle circle. As an example, wrestling on the mat, an escape happens near the edge. If someone goes OB then, no point. BUT if, after the escape, one of the wrestlers returns to the middle circle then the step out rule would begin to apply again. That would help with someone gaming the system by getting an escape and then playing the edge. His opponent could return to the middle and enable the step out rule. Just thoughts off the top of my head.
  5. Here are my thoughts on how to implement the step out rule from a post back in October: I think you should be penalized for going OOB from neutral but would still like to see the action continue at the edge so that the attacker has the opportunity to get the 2 takedown points instead of just the 1. Or he could be countered for points. I don't think this would be complicated to call, either. You could do something like the obstruction call in baseball - when the umpire sees obstruction, he will hold out a fist straight to the side, no verbal call and let the play continue. After the play has ended is when the obstruction call will be enforced, depending upon the result of the play. A similar thing could be done in wrestling, red steps out, official makes a signal with his red hand (arm straight to side, open hand??) and holds that signal until OOB or a score. That way everyone there knows who went out of bounds and that some type of score is imminent. If the action continues to an OOB call with no score, green awarded 1 point. If action continues to a score, that score has precedent. If action continues back to completely in bounds, the signal is dropped and no points awarded (that eliminates the little ticky-tack stepout that may have been inadvertant while circling back in - just want to penalize for going OOB to avoid wrestling). I don't think that would be very hard for officials to do. Some additional mechanics but not very hard ones. And, everyone knows what is going to happen as the action continues. This would be for neutral starts or re-starts only. We could still have the scrambles at the edge that are sometimes exciting (although I personally think those scrambles move to the center of the mat with the push out point looming). The pending points could add a little drama to the action on the edge knowing that a score is imminent. Could also give some additional incentive to try and counter for points. If I step out but hit a good counter and score, that's effectively a 3 point turnaround. 1 step out point my opponent doesn't get and 2 points I get for the TD.
  6. Are you saying guys give up TD's instead of the step out point? Or they don't take shots at the edge?
  7. I counted 51 matches for Iowa at the tourney as shown on Track. That would make an average of 5.61 pts/match.
  8. Coach Ayres is a really good guy and seems to be a very good coach. He recruited my son a few years back and I was very impressed with him. They have really made some improvement since he took over the program.
  9. You asked for an opinion based upon facts and you got one. Just because you don't like it and it doesn't fit your agenda, doesn't make it any less true. If you would like to refute that opinion, please do so but provide the facts upon which you have based your opinion. (see how that works?) As an aside to your comments about Gregor's ranking. I know another kid that also finished 3rd at Senior Nationals and he was ranked in the 90's by one service and not ranked in the top 100 by another so it's not unreasonable to consider that Gregor could have been ranked outside the top 100. Ryan Mango was pretty accomplished in high school and was ranked #100 coming out of high school by Intermat.
  10. No, that doesn't work. What was Gregor's high school ranking? That was YOUR question now you're changing the criteria. Gregor was not a top 100 recruit in Intermat's rankings coming out of high school. There is the answer to your question about his ranking. Matt Brown was ranked #88 coming out of high school. So there's an answer to you question about someone that Edinboro's coach has made into a National Champ from a lower ranking than Matt Brown. Those are based upon facts.
  11. There was a match right in front of me on Mat 3 where a ref got kicked. He finished the match and after the match the trainer was looking at him between Mats 1 and 3 and he was bleeding pretty good from his mouth. Maybe we're talking about 2 different matches. Don't know anything about losing teeth, all I know was he got kicked and was bleeding.
  12. I could believe that. He was bleeding pretty good after the match when the trainer was looking at him.
  13. Happened right in front of us. Got kicked in the face looking for nearfall/pin. Was not knocked out, finished the match. Was bleeding pretty good from his mouth after the match. Must have split his lip open or he bit his tongue.
  14. Or, if you look back in this thread and the reason it was started; There is nothing more boring than 2 guys on their feet in neutral doing absolutely nothing but tie up and push which is exactly what you're wanting to see more. I don't know where it's coming from that neutral wrestling is more exciting as every other thread on here is complaining about stalling in neutral. Mat wrestling is a big part of folkstyle and should always be included. If you want to wrestle strictly in neutral, then go to freestyle as they have virtually eliminated par terre wrestling. A guy that isn't a great athlete can make up for that by being good on the mat. It takes some real athletic ability to be able to consistently get TDs at the top level but for the average athlete (at this level), mat wrestling can be an equalizer. A hard, tough ride can tire out that great athlete and get a point and sometimes break him. Being able to get off bottom is another point. That goes along with the theme - Wrestling is for Every Body. Now obviously guys that are pretty good in both positions are really going to excel. Mat wrestling and ride time also adds a little bit of strategy to the matches. Tie match going into 3rd period, wrestling against a very good top guy. Go down and try to get the escape for the win and take the chance of not getting out or getting turned and losing or go neutral?
  15. I think a quality win is defined as a win over an opponent that earned Gold or Silver status. That status encompasses win percentage, RPI and a ranking, not entirely opinion. Win percentage is a calculation, RPI is a calculation. A wrestles W, X, Y & Z and beats them all. B wrestles W, X, Y & Z and goes 1-3. Who should be the higher seed given no H-t-H between A & B? The more common opponents, the more accurate it becomes. I would agree that not always does that transitive property work when it's just one common but when you get multiple commons, it becomes a much more valuable tool. In the end, a seed is an opinion of how a wrestler will perform. We can use tools/procedures to help form this opinion, but it is still an opinion. Each tool/procedure has it's own faults.
  16. How are quality wins and common opponents opinion?
  17. Past performance as an indicator of future success. Consider the following off the top of my head: Mike Miller - Finalist and 1-2 the following year Mike Pucillo - Finalist and DNP the following year (Pucillo and Miller met in a pigtail match the year after both were finalist and neither were seeded) Matt Gentry - National Champ, DNP following year Bubba Jenkins - Finalist and 0-2 the following year Darrion Caldwell - Champ in 2009, redshirt in 2010, DNP in 2011 (1-2 Med Ffts) And I realize that injuries played a part in many of these but many of the seeds that people are complaining about, the wrestler has suffered some injuries.
  18. That's for a medical hardship to get a 6th year of competition.
  19. Pat - I have to say that you and I are on the exact same wavelength. Are you possibly my long lost twin brother??? :)
  20. I was all prepared to write something up in regard to this discussion and this states my views perfectly. Props to you my man!!!!
  21. Crutchmer would not have earned a spot for the conference since Big 12 doesn't get qualifiers so his spot would have just went back into the at large pool, not taken by anyone else. Not sure if that affects your 7 spot number or you have already included that in there.
  22. My opinion, that depends upon the situation and the injury. If it is something you think could be healed enough to compete in the 3 weeks, then take the spot and if it's not healed enough by the date in which you can drop and the alternate be put in the tourney, then drop out. I don't think it's a good practice to take the spot and then not really be able to compete when there is a healthy alternate that could be in the tourney. That decision should be on the coach.
  23. I don't think you misread the brackets, I don't think they labeled them correctly. That match should have shown as injury default and the remainder of his matches as Med Fft but I think they showed them all as Med Fft which is a little confusing.
  24. Silver got a TD in the 3rd to tie it at 5-5. Kuhn took injury time. Silver got 3 more points to lead 8-5 then Kuhn injury defaulted out.
  25. I don't think he just weighed in and then forfeited. I'm pretty sure he wrestled into the 3rd period against Stanford's Silver and then injury defaulted out of that match and the rest of them.
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