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  1. I have to agree that just the resume can pull kids in with freestyle ambitions. If not to the college team at first I can see top names not from the PSU,OSU,tOSU, and IA making their way there. Those name at the RTC could play a big role in future recruiting. HS kids may not know him, but they know Smith, JB, Snyder, Talor, AMD Dake and he trumps all of their success. He has as many world level golds as Snyder and JB combined. It doesn't take much to see that when you read th bio. So I think in the immediate short term it may not be a big draw, but it definitely could in the next 2-3 years.


    In all seriousness I could see Ramos making the move. It is a lightweight coach that can coach at the level of his rival competitors coaches. I.e. PSU, IA, tOSU. Molinaro would. Make since too and maybe even Gomez.

  2. I was most impressed with the O'Toole kid out of Wisconsin. He has some outstanding defense and I think he was only a sophomore (going to be junior) winning the junior division pretty decisively.  I thought I hear them say he was planning on attending Missouri.  After watching him I could see why with his style.  With Eireman doing a lot of the work with their freestyle program they would be a good coach / athlete combination for the international level. When you look at wrestlers like Askren, Eireman, and Cox who have all had success, the O'Toole kid seems to be a good fit for that program.  Plus Missouri doesn't really get a lot of attention for their regional program, but they have been represented quite a bit and done well.  In the last several years they have had Askren and Cox (both Olympians), and also Eirman (currently 3rd on the ladder), Dom Bradley, Marable (JB's first loss), and Alan Waters.  Coach Johnston also trained there some, but was more of a Hawkeye product.  

  3. I don't know what the reason was for why they don't, but I do think it would be good to mix it in.  Especially if they stay with three separate final x events.  However, even if they don't and go to two days it could be good.  If they are concerned about letting guys have the opportunity for both, they could do opposite weights.  i.e. the upper weights of freestyle mixed with the lighter weight of greco.  I think those who would consider both will do so regardless, as long they were different competition dates.  Who probably wouldn't have changed the outcome, but I am sure Coon would have liked to have had his two tournaments on separate weeks. 

  4. Big congrats on beating the always scrappy Colon and making his first world team but.... It's a tough weight and he tends to get in shootouts which is a recipe for getting destroyed in this level of tournament, fun to watch, but with such little defense he just isnt likely to advance very far, could he medal... I mean if he gets hot, and has a great draw, sure...but the the consensus is we simply don't have a "world level" wrestler at this weight, so him beating a field of other non-medal contenders, hasn't really changed his chances in a lot of people's minds....


    Hopefully everyone's wrong and he techs his way through but personally I'd be impressed with 2 wins.


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    I don't disagree with you.  I will say, I was very shocked and impressed with the series of guts he hit on Colon.  That was a dynamic I did not expect from Garrett, and really what took Colon out of the match.  The difference I felt between match 1 & 2, and his third match was confidence.  It seems like after he won match 2 he had this level of confidence and belief in himself that I hadn't seen before.  He about blew it in match 2 but if he can learn to strategize a little better and not implode with a lead he could do it.  I do think he will get overlooked and that his insane speed gives him a sleepers chance. That ankle pick and his last re-attack with the double was sick.  I don't think people will be ready for that speed.  It is like hitting balls off a pitcher with a consistent 99 mph fast ball, and then a pitcher steps up and throws a few pitches right after at 102mph.  That small difference in speed takes a few pitches to adjust to.  If he can blast a shot an follow with 1 or 2 of those guts, he could create enough separation to hold opponents off.  If he doesn't give up passivity from avoiding contact or take a crazy shot that costs him. 

  5. I definitely don't think it should have been a 4-2 in favor of Colon.  Maybe a 2-2.  Yes Colon changed the direction, but he did not stop the momentum, and he did not lift.  (i.e. Dake). He used Nashon's momentum, change his direction and exposed him.  Nashan attacked from his feet (obviously), but colon was closer to being on his butt than on his feet with his chest wrap initiation.  If you watch Dake (amazing with the chest wrap) he gets his feet planted and firmly lifts his opponent off the mat.  Colon simply changed Nashan's direction exposing him beyond 90 degrees.  I don't know that I would have given Nashan 4 points either.  I would have gone 2-2. 

  6. For me personally, I am not really considering NCAA performances.   Green never even won an NCAA title.  For me personally, I am considering patterns and consistently.  


    I truly believe that if you took draws out (in a hypothetical), and could hypothetically wrestle everyone in an order to where everyone wrestled everyone (not possible), that all 10 of our guys would land top 10 in the world.  You can't account for one country (including the USA) having 2 or more top 10 guys in a weight.  Each country can only wrestle one of them.  So it doesn't matter if Russia has a number 1,2, and 3 in a weight.  Only one wrestles the tournament.  So in the tournament.  The #4 guys theoretically is the silver competitor.  So with that said.  If you consider draws then you look at the bell curve.  3 of our guys will get close to a perfectly average draw, one guy will get a great draw, one guy will get a terrible draw and someone.  Of the other five wrestler, 2 or 3 will get a little better than a perfectly average draw and 2 or 3 will get a less than perfectly average draw.  Therefore, with all ten of our guys being a top 10 (IMO), 5 of them have a very realistic shot at medaling.  When I consider that I think 7 of them are a legit top 5 contender I am putting my bet on us pulling of at least 6 medals.  


    As for my opinions on Taylor, I would place a bet on him medaling and feel confident in that bet.  However, from my perspective when he is grouped with Green, Burroughs, Dake, Cox, and Snyder, he is the one who has had a momentary lapse that cost him a match.  I will admit, I am one of the guys who thought he would beat Dake every time they wrestled.  I thought, this has to be his one.  Even noted it on forums.  He never did.  I predicted him to beat Cox, both times.  He never did.  I thought he would finally pick off Burroughs.... and he never did.  So while I still think his is as elite as all the above mentioned, he seems to be the one who misses by an inch IF compared to the other.  I in no way mean that as a knock.  I will jump up and scream "F' Yes!" in my living room when he medals.  Taylor deserves his world medal.  

  7. Doubleleg, I respectfully disagree and think top 4 will be USA Russia Georgia and Japan somewhere in that order.



    I don't necessarily disagree.  Particularly with Japan.  I have them 5th, but was on the fence with them being top 4 and Cuba being just outside of Top 4.  I also think Georgia is solid so them busting the top 4 wouldn't surprise me.  I would be surprised though if Iran is not in that top 4 mix, but then again, it is the world championships. 

  8. My predictions:


    57k Thomas Gilman : no medal

    61k Nahshon Garrett  : no medal

    65k Logan Steiber : no medal

    70k James Green : bronze

    74k Jordan Burroughs : gold

    79k Kyle Dake : bronze

    86k David Taylor : silver/gold

    92k J'Den Cox : no medal

    97k Kyle Snyder : silver 

    125k Nick Gwizdowski: bronze


    Its a great team, but won't beat Russia for team title, too weak at the lower weights. It will be a toss up between U.S. and AZE for 2nd. 


    I'd love for Taylor to win gold but I am not sure he beats Yazdani or Geduev. 


    I am most curious how Taylor does, IMO, he may be currently the best wrestler in the world and he may prove that at the worlds.

    I love watching Taylor and have been a fan since his freshman year.  I have been rooting for him from the beginning....  but


    Dake, Steiber, Cox, and Snyder all have more NCAA title than Taylor. 

    Gwiz and Burroughs have the same number of NCAA titles as Taylor. 

    Gwiz, Gilman and Steiber all have world medals

    Green and Cox have multiple world medals.

    Burroughs and Snyder have multiple gold medals.  

    Taylor has also lost to Burroughs, Dake, and Cox multiple times


    So while I respect everyones opinion, I am not sure the logic behind Taylor coming away with potential gold only to be accompanied by JB and with the exception of Snyder everyone else is Bronze or no medal.  Personally, in the spirit of giving Taylor credit where credit is due, I think he is probably the key to bringing home the team gold again this year. 


    JB, Snyder, Dake, and Cox I think are our very likely medalists with Green maybe just behind them. One more medal and I think we lock in the team title.  I think Taylor is the key to that. Gwiz is right there with Taylor but when you have 2 other opponents who have separated themselves in the case of 125KG, it leave very little if any room for error.  



    Team wise, I don't think AZE finishes top 4.  Russia, Iran, USA, and Cuba should land top 4.


    I am really interested to see what happens with Russia.  While they have always been a wrestling power, as a country they seem to be struggling in about every sport compared to the past since they have been cracked down on for doping.  I am curious to see how this impacts even their elite wrestlers.  Even some of their best wrestlers may not have been nailed for PEDS, it makes me question how it affects their depth, and their ability to reload year after year.   It also makes me wonder if some of their elite wrestlers in the past, even recent past, may have not been clean at one time, but are now and is impacted by it.  I am sure this would all be kept pretty hush by Russia, and has that been the reason they have gone with some wrestlers over others.  Are some of the wrestlers that have kept out or replaced in some tournaments because they will come pop up in the testing?  I am not saying I think that is what has happened, but those are variables I do wonder about.  So I will be curious to see if Russia is the same Russia we are use to seeing.


    I hope the 4 months comes quick!

  9. I know the world stage is a different level, but I think we will have to implode to not get 5 medals.  My logic is this...



    JB: 6 medals in 7 competition, and what, a combined 3 loses to international wrestlers in his career. 

    Snyder: 3 for 3 Gold.


    +2 very likely medalist with those two, and probably Gold. 


    Cox: Olympic and Bronze Medalist

    Green: 2X World Medalist


    At least +1 medalist between time 


    3 Potentials, but not highly probable

    Gilman, Logie, Garrett:  Gilman and Logie both made the finals in their first world team trip. We seem to always pop someone into the medals who isn't really expected.  So I feel one out of this group of 3 will sneak through.  I am going to go with Garrett.  I said it in another part of the forum.  He has world class speed that is hard to train for.  He is unknown and will be less scouted.  Logie medaled his first time through, Gilman did, Zain was right there.  I think Garrett will be the one that pops.  Even if not, someone in this group will likely get a favorable draw.  


    So +1 medals from this group.



    Taylor and Dake: Both on their first world team, but I don't think anyone in the world doesn't think they are a threat.  I know it is the worlds and there are a lot of variables, but it is hard to imagine both of them not placing. At least one should get their world medal


    So +1 medal



    Gwiz:  Returning world medalist.  I know heavy weight is tough.  I put Gwiz by himself and not with Logie, Giman, and Nashan, despite Gilman taking Silver last year.  I don't know where I really stand with his chances.  He just seems to be improving at such a fast rate.  He looks even better than he did at the last worlds.  So I say he is a 50/50 chance.



    So like I said, I think we have to implode big time to not get 5-medals.  Realistically I think we walk away with at least 6-medals.

  10. 57kg Gilman: Yes, he was a silver medalist.  However, it seems like we tend to have a "first timer" who has a good run (i.e Logan).  Even Molinaro and Nick Simmons had a good run. Didn't medal but a good run. Maybe it is they aren't scouted, or go for broke and have nothing to lose.  Whatever the case we seem to have someone give a good go or make a run, but then after the first struggle.  I feel this could be the case for Gilman.  He will be more known and better scouted.  For this reason, I give Fix a better chance to medal than Gilman.  Yes, fix is probably a little more known internationally because of his Junior run, but I still give fix a better chance if he makes the team.   


    61kg: I give Colon no chance.  However, if Garrett makes the team I think he is that "first-timer" in this run if we have one.  You can train and recreate situations as it relates to technique and position.  It is very hard to simulate speed though.  Especially speed like Nashon has.  He is FAST.   While I am not saying that he will place because I think his chances are low, he does have a level of speed that could potentially catch people off guard.  


    65kg: Logan and McKenna:  The thing about high-level tournaments is you have to be consistent.   You can't have two good matches and a bad match and expect to medal.  You have to be consistent.  You "average" so to speak has to be even.  You need four 80% percents that average 80%.  You can't have two 90% and two 70%'s an average 80%.  In competition, it isn't the same thing.  The two 70% can lose a match that costs despite the win of 90% that the 80% wouldn't have got.  If that makes sense.  An athlete with a constant high percent will get further than having an extremely high percent and then turning around and having a low percentage that averages the same.  For that reason, I give McKenna a much better chance of medaling than Logan.  Logan can have a great match and beat the best guys, but then turn around and lose to someone not as good.  As to where McKenna could pick off a 90% guy who has a bad match but won't lose to a lesser guy because of a bad match. So I give McKenna an outside chance to medal as to where I give logan virtually no chance. 


    70kg: Green: Again consistency.  Green medals. I see it the same.


    74kg:  Jordan is a Wiley veteran who wins.  He has had two bad matches in his international career and it cost him another Olympic medal.  I do not see history repeating itself here.  At the very least he medals. 


    79kg: Dake... Not gonna lie.  I have always been a Taylor fan.  However, bottom line.. DAKE WINS.  Period.  Other than Jordan no US wrestler has beaten him consistently.  He went up from 74kg and wrestled Cox, and almost won.  The kid is insanely explosive and simply wins.  I don't see him not medaling.  Personally, I think it is more likely that everyone else on the team does not medal, who is not named Kyle or Jordan, than Dake. Again it is that consistency.  Dake just does not put together a bad match, and I am one of those who thought Taylor was going to win every time. I just felt statistically Taylor should get at least one... and he never did. 


    86kg:  Taylor:  I think Taylor has a good chance of medaling.  However, when Taylor has lost, it has been in pressure cooker matches (Dake, Cox, Burroughs, Jenkins).  Taylor is 99%...  99% of the time.  However, he can have a 70% (bad match that cost him).  On paper, and theoretically he should medal, but I also think he is the most likely "highly probable medalist" to not medal on the team.....  Due to his occasional lapses. 


    92kg: Cox: Again, I go with consistency.  I think he is at least Bronze, maybe Silver.  When the Russians and Iranians lose outside of the Worlds and Olympics we say "they don't worry about those competitions, they train an peak for the big moments".  Yet when a US wrestler loses we say, it depends who shows up.  Cox beat Snyder his senior year in Fargo, won 3 NCAA titles could have been 4 if not been for ankle picks in both his losses his sophomore year, made the U.S. team, qualified the weight in his first senior international competition, medaled in the Olympics, then made the world team without competing international between the qualifier and the worlds, medaled at the worlds (when people acted like the Olympics was a fluke), and is now looking to be on the next world team.  In that process, he beat Dake and Taylor.  Regardless of whatever inconsistencies Cox has outside of the major competitions themselves, the guy is consistent come show time on the biggest stage.  He honestly should medal. 


    97kg:  Snyder:  Statistically, I am more worried about Snyder than anyone.  Jordan was "all I see is gold" till he missed the gold.  Gold-Gold-Gold-etc....  means 100%.  100% is hard to sustain indefinitely, at some point he will not be at 100%.  I hope that is a long time from now.  However, the more Golds he earns the higher the chance he misses it the next go around.  I don't think that time is upon him yet.  So I think Gold. 


    125kg: Gwiz is still on an upward trajectory and is consistent.  Bronze is very realistic, and truthfully, he is good enough that if one of the top two have any lapse he could pop into the finals.  


    So what is my prediciton:


    Burroughs, Dake, Snyder: I think Gold

    Taylor, Cox, Green: Silver or Bronz


    I really think we have 5 medalist... If we don't wrestle well.  6 if we do.  I just can't see the first 3 medaling and at least 3 of the next 3  not medaling.


    Gwiz: I think has a strong shot at Bronze, and if it is Fix, I think there is a good shot there as well. 


    Then I say that McKenna or Nahsan are equal long shots.


    I think we take home six medals.  We really have 8 who realistically could medal, and if we get McKenna and Nashon through I think that we have two legit outside shot.  However, statistically and taking into account variables I think 6 is very realistic. 7 wouldn't completely shock me.  Yes, I know that is a dream or an over zealous hope.  Nevertheless, if there is a dream year it is this one. 

  11. I believe a lot of their money is tied up.  It is my understanding that they went after the current top class hard and presented pretty good offers.  With only 9.9 there isn't a lot to spread around if you are giving heavy scholarships. I'm not sure there are many 'full rides' if any, but there s some guys with some pretty good scholarships for wrestling if my understanding is correct.  This is based on some known information from deep inside the organization.  I believe the idea was to go after big recruits and get up into the top 10.  Once you hit that group you can spread scholarships out a little more.  I am sure there are many other factors as well, but I am guessing money being tied up has quite a bit to do with it.  For whatever it is worth.   

  12. Harvard or Princeton? Well some will take a year off. Irregardless.... There is a reason some get into the IVY's and most don't. Not really a good comparison. Kids that go there are smart, studious, and have there sh.....t together more than the average 18 year old.

  13. There are a lot of variables regarding if 4 years is long enough. 4 years this day in age is fast. It is doable if a person is set on their degree early on and takes at least 15 hours a semester. Even then it depends. Some degrees require more. For example and education degree typically requires 5 years. If you are an education math major you have to have at least your 120 hours plus am additional 30 for the education certificate portion. If you get multiple certificates that could add time. You typically have to have a minor if you if you are secondary ed. And it could also add a few hours. If you are unsure at the beginning and change your major, that too could hard time. A person can also double major. That would add a year minimum. Many degrees require a certain GPA. Not in your cumulative and you career choice. That could require a class retake if you get a C. Someone changing their major would also need 5 years. So there are a lot of factors. It is short sighted to think kids should get done in 4 years. Yes they can, but the time of take in D1 athletics especially, depending on the course load 15 hours can be quite a bit during season. A person going six years could get a double major and it wouldn't be a waste. So I think people should be careful judging it. If you could get a double major to have a primary and secondary career choice and get some of it paid for that is a pretty smart move. Additionally, there are several degrees that require over 120 hours.

  14. 1) There is certainly the potential that the injury affected his training leading up to the WTT.  


    2) I really like Taylor, but his comment is misplaced.  There is a lot of talk about how J'Den didn't wrestle much international and Taylor did.  The fact that J'Den focused folkstyle all year after the Olympics and has only 3 or 4 oversees competition, limited senior level training, and STILL beat Taylor, gift or not, says a lot about his potential.  When you look at it he is really just getting started and is going to continue improve.  I would say he is farther from his peak than Taylor.  So while I like Taylor, I wouldn't be to quick to think he will be on top next year.


    3) I seem to remember Phil Wellington having a close match or two with J'Den and then speaking prematurely.  That didn't work out so well for Mr. Wellington.  I seem to remember him eating a table (Yea, I know J'Den got DQed), and then later getting dismantled  I'm not sure J'Den is the one you want to light a fire under.  


    I hope they are actually separated in weights so they can both be on the World Team. 

  15. I saw him a couple weeks back drilling pretty hard. He didn't seem to be affected. However is was not live so who knows, but drilling wise he didn't seem bothered at all.


    On a side note, he is class act dude. At the Missouri camp a few weeks back, between sessions, he would walk over and grab random campers and pull them on the mat and drill. A sizes and ages. The kids I saw him do it with were stoked.

  16. Cael made the world team in 2001. However, after 9/11 the date for the world championship got moved to where it potentially interfered with Sanderson's senior year. Since, at the time he was on a path to finish with an undefeated career (officially), he chose not to compete to focus on his final season. Thus giving up his spot on the team that he earned by winning the 2001 world team trials. Then in 2002 the US did not send their team due to safety concerns.

  17. Boconnell,


    I don't know if you were referring to me as the poster who declared Carl the clear winner, but if so I am curious as to where exactly I stated that? You must have misunderstood the message and made an innacurate inference. All I said was I don't think you can use the early accolades to compare the two. Then a listed one element of Cael's wrestling. I never declared anyone the winner, nor did I even reference a winner in any way shape or form. I wouldn't and won't as they are both great and I don't get into hypotheticals.


    As for the accolades it was 5,2,1. If you want to split hairs with the idea of being in his "prime" his 5th place finish was 7 years out without a competitive match prior to the qualifier. Now I did say I think he would have owned the weight that entire time in the US and would have got more medals, but I think Snyder will do the same.


    As for in their prime it was a 2,1 for Cael (by a point for silver) and a 1,1 for Snyder. That is a micro difference in accolades for the sake of comparisons to make any prediction either way.


    I am of the opinion that Cael would have had more golds. I am also of the opinion Snyder will win more golds. I do not have an opinion on who was a better wrestler in their prime.

  18. I don't think you can really use the early accolades to gauge the two. Cael made the world team in 2001, but the date was moved because on 9/11. The new date had the potential to conflict with his final college season where he finished 159-0. So he gave his spot up. He made it again in 2002, but the USA cancelled for safety. In 2003 he made his 3rd world team and lost 3-4 in the finals claiming bronze. This was the first world championship he competed in. He also had little international experience. He can back in 2004 and won Olympic gold before retiring. I truly believe had he kept competing he would have racked up the world level hardware. I mean hell, he came back 7 years later after not wrestling a single match competitively and crushed Hebert to make another world team and went on and finished 5th. With just a few months of training after a 7 year layoff. Had he kept going he would have probably made 12 consecutive world) Olympic teams because nobody in the US would have beat him. To be home eat, get could probably lace up and go make the team now at 86kg. So I think it is hard to use accolades because of the circumstances that kept him out. On another note. US wrestlers weren't paid for world/Olympic medals back then. Had he got paid for winning Gold medals like the guys now he may have stuck around a few more years.

  19. In most states you have to be a resident for one year (12 full months) to be eligible for in state tuition, without being enrolled in classes. That means an address and utilities, drivers license, and registered to vote. Having a job working at least 20 hours is a plus as well. For a freshman that means they would need to set up residency the summer after graduating high school. If you are applying for financial aid you have to have 2 years of w-2's. I don't think you have to if not doing financial aid though. With that, the parents most likely would not be able to claim them the following year either since they aren't a "student". This is the case in most situations. I do not have a kid in college but I do have 3 Associates, a BS in science, a Math certificate in education, an MS, a second MS+15, and a Doctorate in education. All accounting for about 290 college credits from 4 different colleges in 3 states.


    While it can vary by state and institution, that is typically the requirements for gaining in state tuition. However, you can also get it if your parent is a resident if the state.... Often o. The case of divorced families or a similar situation.

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