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    Fishbane got a reaction from Katie in California's bid to overtake PSU   
    No the NCAA did not, but that is irrelevant.  The question I replied to was asking about a player the NCAA was making millions off and didn’t specify anything about likeness.  The NCAA makes billions off the television rights to march madness and use players images in advertising it.  How much do you think a company wanting to use the image of the best player in college basketball in a TV advertisement would have to pay on the open market?
    Zion’s popularity translated into millions in free advertising for Duke and the ncaa’s march madness.  Players like him put fans in the arenas, influence shoe buying decisions, and when a team goes on a deep post season run that’s increased revenue and advertising for the school.   With advanced statistics a players contribution to the success of the season can be estimated and a value put on it.  In a sport like basketball a star player can make a big contribution.  Pro athletes use such metrics to negotiate their worth meanwhile a Heisman wining football player or Naismith winning basketball player who ostensibly the most valuable college player in their sport is compensated the same as any other scholarship athlete on the team and forbidden from making the market rate for their image or sports talent.  
    The Ed O’Bannon case and others kind of put the kibosh on the NCAA and institutions outright selling a players image on t-shirts, to video game developers, and jerseys bearing their name.  
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    Fishbane got a reaction from Katie in California's bid to overtake PSU   
    Most college wrestlers that receive a full scholarship are getting a tremendous deal.  They will likely not get paid more than the yearly value of the full scholarship for wrestling at any other points in their lives.  That said probably any CA high school state champion wrestler or NCAA All american would be able to make decent side money with private lessons and command more at summer camps. Wrestlers in general are not the ones being exploited by the NCAA.
    When UCLA plays a game in the 90,000 seat Rose Bowl people pay to see the game and probably more than $10 on average.  As for an individual off whom an NCAA institution has made millions Zion Williamson is an easy example.
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    Fishbane got a reaction from jchapman in Iranian Judo World Champion ordered to default to Israeli   
    Well not attending wasn't a political statement but it had to do with politics.  US foreign policy upset many groups in Iran and there were anti-american groups planning to protest and making threats.  Iran said it was out of their hands to provide protection for the American delegation from the expected anti-American demonstrations.  One could argue Iran was making a political statement by refusing providing the necessary security.  
    It's probably more equivalent to Argentina pulling out of their scheduled soccer friendly with Israel in Jerusalem last year than the others in the list.  
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    Fishbane got a reaction from The Genius in Iranian Judo World Champion ordered to default to Israeli   
    A country boycotting an event hosted by a country they don't like is boycotting the event not the country?  I disagree and I am sure that in boycotting the 1980 games the US effectively forfeited more matches to Russian athletes than Iran has to Israeli athletes totaled up over the past 20 years.
    Here is a wikipedia page with a list of instances where Iran is suspected of forfeiting to avoid Israel.  Though I am sure this isn't an exhaustive list it has 32 instances over the past 20 years.  Iran is not the only national to have done this as there are also 12 others. 
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    Fishbane got a reaction from The Genius in Iranian Judo World Champion ordered to default to Israeli   
    4) North Korea and its allies (Cuba, ect) boycotted the 1988 Olympics.
    5) USAW did not send a team to the 2002 freestyle world championships held in Tehran.
    6) In 1968 Asia Cup qualification (soccer) Kuwait and Afghanistan refused to play Israel resulting in Israel automatically qualifying for the Asia Cup hosted by Iran (Iran did play Israel in Tehran in this competition)
    7) In the 1964 Asia Cup hosted by Israel 11 of 18 nations withdrew from qualification in protest including Afghanistan, Cambodia, Ceylon, Indonesia, Iran, Japan, Myanmar, Pakistan, Philippines, Republic of China (Taiwan), and Singapore.  Israel won the tournament its only confederation championship.
    8) In 1958 world cup qualifying Israel was drawn to play Turkey, but Turkey withdrew and refused to play them. In the next qualification round a 4 team group had Israel, Egypt, Sudan, and Indonesia.  Egypt and Indonesia withdrew rather than play Israel.  Israel and Sudan advanced as the top two teams to a playoff for the right to go to the World Cup.  Sudan refused to play Israel so they qualified automatically for the World Cup or they should have.  Since FIFA viewed this as an embarrassment FIFA decided Israel had to play Wales instead and Wales won the playoff.  
    9) In 1974 Kuwait proposed kicking Israel out of the AFC which passed by a vote of 17 in favor, 13 against, and 6 abstentions. (Many of the middle eastern Arab countries joined the AFC in 1970 and voted in favour)
    10) ROC/Taiwan/Chinese Taipei had to compete in the Oceania Confederation (OFC) from 1975 to 1989 because of the political conflict with the PRC.  They also withdrew from 1958 world cup qualification after being drawn in a group with PRC.
    11) Has ROC/Taiwan/Chinese Taipei ever played a soccer game against either Japan or China (PRC)?
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    Fishbane reacted to Chet in Iranian Judo World Champion ordered to default to Israeli   
    Agreed. Iran should go around to other countries and demand they spend exorbitant amounts of money on developing infrastructure for their events and provide all their top delegates with lavish expensive accommodations and then leave after a 16 days and watch as the host city goes through a decade of economic ruin!
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    Fishbane got a reaction from The Genius in Iranian Judo World Champion ordered to default to Israeli   
    I don’t understand your first sentence.  It doesn’t make any sense.   I am saying the IOC should not pick and choose which countries they want to strong arm into accepting the sovereignty of another nation when it comes to competing in the olympics.
    Literally half of Asia wouldn’t compete against Israel in soccer.  Even Japan and Taiwan boycotted when Israel hosted the Asian soccer championships.  How many countries in the Middle East have played a soccer match against Israel in the past 50 years?  Syria, Jordan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar,  Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Yemen - 0 games.   Should FIFA/IOC ban them until they demonstrate they have changed their stance by playing Israel in soccer or broaden that to every country in the AFC that voted for their expulsion or abstained in the 70s?
    If Iran wants to continue forfeiting to Israel I think it is lame but their choice.  If they take a hard line stance on Iran with this then I think it would be more about it being Iran than what they are doing otherwise USA would have been stripped of hosting the 1984 games, Chines Taipei would get to compete under their official flag, and Israel would be playing soccer in Asia.  Don’t pick and choose and only choose when it’s Iran.  If IJF and UWW wanted to keep politics out of their sports they would have the world championships as a competition with the top 64 wrestler/judokas per weight instead of the best wrestler/judoka at a particular weight from a particular NOC that doesn’t offend other NOCs which are willing to pay to host the olympics.  
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    Fishbane got a reaction from gimpeltf in Koll Entering something like 26th year....   
    The OSU media guide says Smith got the job in 1992 and has all 7 matches from the 1991-92 season counted under his official record.  All the competitions that season were January 1992 and later.   Under the individual season it has John Smith and Kenny Monday listed as the head coaches and both of those guys were actively competing on the senior level.  Smith won worlds in 91 and the Olympics in 1992.  Monday was 2nd at worlds in 1991 and the 92 Olympics and perhaps 2nd in line for the coaching position too. 

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    Fishbane got a reaction from killdozer in How does Flo not hire ...   
    Flo should definitely not hire Stieber to replace the Flo radio crew.  I don't think he would be superior as a broadcaster and he also says stupid ****. 
    Twice on the Rudis podcast he has spoke about wrestling as a path to paying for college with a scholarship and though a wrestler probably won't get a full scholarship they could get a partial scholarship or even just books.   He's pointed out books multiple times.  As though getting your college books paid for would be a reasonable return on spending $250/season (is that $500, $750, $1000?/year) over middle school and high school to attend Stieber Elite, plus tournament entry fees, plus shoes and equipment, plus transportation costs, plus any increase in health care costs to treat injuries.  A parent would be far better off if they took all that money they would spend on wrestling and invested it then had their kid buy used books with that and better off still if they had their son or daughter get a job and earn money in place of all those hours spent wrestling.  Derlan's point about gaining access to a school you wouldn't otherwise get into is far more compelling if you ask me.  Stieber should take that and forget about the scholarship and especially book talk.
    Flo needs to splash the cash on production.  I haven't seen a streaming event on their service that hasn't had some kind of audio or video issue and the Yianni-Zain wrestle off was no exception.  They tried to replay the video related to the NLWC challenge, but they replayed it with the original audio.  So during the slo-motion replay you could hear the original commentary slowed down as they did it and then CP and Willie were trying to talk about it over top of their original slow motion rebroadcasted commentary.  It was awful and it wasn't the only audio issue in the broadcast. 
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    Fishbane got a reaction from TBar1977 in How does Flo not hire ...   
    It wasn't clear that is what you were getting at in the OP.  I think Stieber would be great doing match breakdown segments.  This could be like what ESPN does in the detail segment with Kobe Bryant in basketball and Peyton Manning in football.  Flo does these kinds of things with Mike Mal's videos.   I don't think Stieber would be as good as a regular host.  And I don't think he would have any authority or greater insight for setting the dispute you brought up regarding scoring that sequence.   ESPN doesn't bring in Kobe Bryant to explain why something was called a common foul instead of a flagrant 1 no do they bring in Peyton Manning for a rules interpretation as to why pass interference was or was not called.  
    I think Nomad might be better suited to field for rules interpretation than Stieber.  I am pretty sure Nomad has read the UWW rulebook.  I am not sure Stieber or anyone on the 2019 US World Team has.  CP interviewed Stieber on the original Yianni-Zain Final X matches.  He asked him about the disputed scoring sequence.  He said he thought 2-2 was "probably the right score."  But he also said he "doesn't know the rules."  He was more even handed in talking about it than maybe the FRL guys and definitely the fans on this board, but he didn't offer any greater insight than either.  It's not like Sylvestri (UWW head of officials) rescoring the match or weighing in.  Here is the video if you missed it  https://www.flowrestling.org/video/6517160-logan-stieber-on-retirement-decision-future-yianni-zain
    What was ridiculous about FRL 403 was that no one out of Nomad, CP, and Bratke seemed to be able to understand how anyone could have scored that 2-0 for Retherford despite it being the official scoring or they did but just wanted Willie to explain it for them anyway, but he clearly wasn't up to the task.  So it turned into them badgering him about something they already understood (or should have) and didn't want to admit.
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    Fishbane got a reaction from jon in How does Flo not hire ...   
    It’s possible but in FRL episode this argument occurred in they kept losing Willie’s audio when they went to show a replay of the scoring sequence from match.  CP and the other cohosts acknowledged this so I know that issue wasn’t on my end.   I wouldn’t conclude they have the audio issues when showing replays fully sorted. 
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    Fishbane got a reaction from jon in How does Flo not hire ...   
    Flo should definitely not hire Stieber to replace the Flo radio crew.  I don't think he would be superior as a broadcaster and he also says stupid ****. 
    Twice on the Rudis podcast he has spoke about wrestling as a path to paying for college with a scholarship and though a wrestler probably won't get a full scholarship they could get a partial scholarship or even just books.   He's pointed out books multiple times.  As though getting your college books paid for would be a reasonable return on spending $250/season (is that $500, $750, $1000?/year) over middle school and high school to attend Stieber Elite, plus tournament entry fees, plus shoes and equipment, plus transportation costs, plus any increase in health care costs to treat injuries.  A parent would be far better off if they took all that money they would spend on wrestling and invested it then had their kid buy used books with that and better off still if they had their son or daughter get a job and earn money in place of all those hours spent wrestling.  Derlan's point about gaining access to a school you wouldn't otherwise get into is far more compelling if you ask me.  Stieber should take that and forget about the scholarship and especially book talk.
    Flo needs to splash the cash on production.  I haven't seen a streaming event on their service that hasn't had some kind of audio or video issue and the Yianni-Zain wrestle off was no exception.  They tried to replay the video related to the NLWC challenge, but they replayed it with the original audio.  So during the slo-motion replay you could hear the original commentary slowed down as they did it and then CP and Willie were trying to talk about it over top of their original slow motion rebroadcasted commentary.  It was awful and it wasn't the only audio issue in the broadcast. 
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    Fishbane got a reaction from Underhook in So does Iowa Dual PSU this year? Predictions welcome   
    What's your predicted Iowa lineup?  Shouldn't there be 5 non-PA starters.  Lugo 149, Bull 165, Bitcoin 184, Warner 197, and Cassiopi 285.  Which two do you not see making the lineup and which PA guys take their spots?  
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    Fishbane got a reaction from Big Nasty in So does Iowa Dual PSU this year? Predictions welcome   
    Warner isn't from PA.  Lugo isn't from PA. Both are returning AA.  Cassiopi isn't from PA. 
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    Fishbane got a reaction from ugarte in Zain Wins   
    I think Japan has two national tournaments.  On at the beginning of the year and one in the middle.  If a wrestler wins both then he/she gets the spot.  I think Otoguro won the first tournament and Heguchi won the June tournament which set up a wrestleoff between them which was won by Otoguro. 
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    Fishbane got a reaction from MDogg in Best college wrestlers but worst freestyler?   
    Here are some 3 time champs that haven’t been named yet who never Competed at worlds/olympics.  
    Alex Dieringer - three time champ, hodge winner (has won numerous senior international tournaments/junior world silver)
    TJ Jaworsky - UNC’s only three time champ, hodge winner
    Carlton Haselrig - three time champ d1, three time champ d2 (started NFL career at 23)
    Ricky Bonomo - Bloomsburg’s only three time champ
    Jim Zalesky - three time champ 
    Jimmy Jackson - three time champ (competed in World Cup several times and won pan ams)
    Greg Johnson - MSU only three time champ
    Mike Caruso - Lehigh’s only three time champ
    Larry Hayes - three time champ for iowa state 
    Already mentioned
    churella (won a junior world title in 1977), pat smith (competed in 1994 World Cup), Greg Jones ( competed in us senior open/wtt 1-2 years), Rosholt (?)
     
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    Fishbane got a reaction from KTG119 in Best college wrestlers but worst freestyler?   
    Here are some 3 time champs that haven’t been named yet who never Competed at worlds/olympics.  
    Alex Dieringer - three time champ, hodge winner (has won numerous senior international tournaments/junior world silver)
    TJ Jaworsky - UNC’s only three time champ, hodge winner
    Carlton Haselrig - three time champ d1, three time champ d2 (started NFL career at 23)
    Ricky Bonomo - Bloomsburg’s only three time champ
    Jim Zalesky - three time champ 
    Jimmy Jackson - three time champ (competed in World Cup several times and won pan ams)
    Greg Johnson - MSU only three time champ
    Mike Caruso - Lehigh’s only three time champ
    Larry Hayes - three time champ for iowa state 
    Already mentioned
    churella (won a junior world title in 1977), pat smith (competed in 1994 World Cup), Greg Jones ( competed in us senior open/wtt 1-2 years), Rosholt (?)
     
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    Fishbane got a reaction from KTG119 in Best college wrestlers but worst freestyler?   
    Churella won a junior world title in 1977.
     
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    Fishbane got a reaction from Erminio8 in Penn State defector team   
    If that were true Teasdale would still be at PSU
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    Fishbane got a reaction from pish6969 in If Rob Koll had become the Penn State Coach?   
    What about Koll?  Was he on the level of Koll? His best finish at PSU was 4th.
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    Fishbane got a reaction from stp in Will John Smith win another title at tOSU?   
    I don't think Ohio State has trademarked "the" yet. 
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    Fishbane got a reaction from osufan12 in Are Regional Training Centers an unfair advantage?   
    If they have the rule then it is their duty to ferret it out.  Programs/RTCs that do such things would have an unfair advantage over ones that do not.  Some schools will play by the NCAA rules others won't and maybe the RTC system allows the ones that don't with an easy avenue to do so.  If media is afraid to report on an issue because it would limit their ability to report on the sport than the practice is a problem.
    There are 9.9 scholarships, but maybe some school with an RTC and that's out of scholarships $$ will say something like hey we can't give you a scholarship but the RTC can hire your dad as a coach or we can't give you a scholarship but we have this great RTC with a bunch of funding where you can compete after you graduate with a student loan forgiveness program.  
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    Fishbane got a reaction from jon in Are Regional Training Centers an unfair advantage?   
    If they have the rule then it is their duty to ferret it out.  Programs/RTCs that do such things would have an unfair advantage over ones that do not.  Some schools will play by the NCAA rules others won't and maybe the RTC system allows the ones that don't with an easy avenue to do so.  If media is afraid to report on an issue because it would limit their ability to report on the sport than the practice is a problem.
    There are 9.9 scholarships, but maybe some school with an RTC and that's out of scholarships $$ will say something like hey we can't give you a scholarship but the RTC can hire your dad as a coach or we can't give you a scholarship but we have this great RTC with a bunch of funding where you can compete after you graduate with a student loan forgiveness program.  
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    Fishbane got a reaction from dwkeller in This is Weird: Jaydin Eierman replacing Zain Retherford   
    Here we go again...
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    Fishbane got a reaction from NJDan in This is Weird: Jaydin Eierman replacing Zain Retherford   
    Here we go again...
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