Gantry

Still are, don't be fooled...

Lincoln had the boot scoot, definitely his go to move.

Yep, the fix is very simple - first one is a warning, second one is a point. It literally fixes everything and they will change the rule next year.

Seriously, I've been following wrestling for 20 years and it's always "if they just called stalling" as the fix to everything. No it isn't, make hard and fast rules that don't involve ref discretion. Because EVERY SINGLE RULE that involves ref discretion is a bad rule, because they don't/won't call it when the match is on the line.

I don't think so, they have an RTC like thing where people are training. He's still traveling and helping out post collegiates. There was a great article on how Kerry got Kenny Courts out of retirement, to lose a bunch of weight and come back and wrestle a tournament where he pinned a high level russian. It was a great read and there was total respect there. The guy is universally loved by the people he's involved with, so I wish I knew why Maryland is where they are. But unfortunately it's a tough sport, especially in the Big Ten and the results aren't there. Unless he gets a Jake Herbert-like recruit to turn around the program I don't see it changing. I sure hope it does though...

Or have we always had these issues and the Internet is just magnifying it now? I mean we have stories about Gene Mills pulling out guys beard hair during a match... I'm thinking there have been excessive celebrations and after match shoves for decades but message boards now give anyone the ability to start a thread to express their outrage, which then leads to TheMat.com/HR/BWI/etc rabbit hole. Not saying I approve or disapprove of a lot of these, but I don't think it is a newfound systemic issue. It's an intense sport with overly pumped up competitors, this stuff will happen and should be reigned in if it goes too far. Still, it isn't new...

The thing is that Kerry coached Stanford and did a good job and did well as an assistant at Lehigh too. I don't know what it is, and I know he is universally liked by everyone who knows him, but it's time for a change. That program continues to get worse with no signs that it'll improve...

Of course not, I didn't mean to imply that if I did. More of what treep and misterc said

Richie Lewis and the 133 pounder from last year both showed bad sportsmanship on multiple occasions.

What if everyone is ducking HIM by wrestling when they know he isn't... Think about it.... Actually, don't...

JB at 79 makes sense too, I have a feeling with the rule changes that cut to 74kg is really tough for him now. I think he'll be just fine up there...

I mean, they had to bump up their 157 to 165 and JoJo/Jacobe/Greer are working their way into higher weights. So really none of it is a surprise is it? Rogers is there at 165 when healthy and I doubt that changes. Sure Gfeller could take Brock's place but I don't see what that has to do with 157-184.

The examples of Nato and BoJo show that he doesn't always put the best guy out there, that's what I was fleshing out. But I do stick to Ryan never wanting a straight up hole in his lineup. Who was the last sub .500 tOSU starter with a better guy redshirting? Probably few and far between...

Gfeller is a scrappy dude, but Schnaulty just a little bit better in all positions. AA's ankle pick is filthy, fun match. Now that I think of it, does Gfeller ever have a boring match? Dude brings it every time

Did Russell get any stall calls from bottom in the first? Because he definitely deserved a couple...

Yep and yep.

While I agree with the general premise, this dual team score wise was over before it started. No fan at the dual went into the arena thinking they were going to win that match. Even if there were a few of those people, I can't imagine a single person leaving before Fix/Suriano because the team score was out of reach. But there definitely hundreds if not 1000+ who left before HWT today.

If you couldn't get in, at some point you should have mentioned that. You worded both the title and your initial post like they weren't airing said duals. That said, I'll edit out my snarky comment, apologies...

Also, why can't coaches do the right thing and make that the last match? Why start at 125? People arriving/watching late, people who screw up the time zone (like me), online viewers turning off or barely paying attention after 149, some of the crowd leaving after 184 or 197, etc. ALWAYS PUT THE MARQUEE MATCH AT THE END OF A DUAL

Not disagreeing with you there, and Schnaulty's reaction was equally silly. The whole thing was a you-know-what show and the ref was right to dock points from both teams.

Removing snarky post as I misunderstood the OP's initial point.

I didn't say Russell couldn't have improved. I also didn't say you had to knock Spencer Lee. You said Spencer Lee looked "pretty good" in that match, which I completely disagree with. But I'm not going to go down TheMat rabbit hole and tit-for-tat ad nauseam. I'll agree to disagree and leave it at that...

If true, that doesn't make it any better.

I could be wrong here though, not 100% - but I bet fake or not Desantos choice and words were probably inspired by it.

For some reason I remember that being determined to be a fake account, no?