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Everything posted by JHRoseWrestling

  1. Given the window of notice, who would expect Frank or JO to be within striking distance of weight. This is not a surprise.
  2. Any rumblings out of DPRK? I wouldn't be surprised one bit if they show up with a never-before-heard-of 57Kg who medals or qualities the weight top 6.
  3. The recognized silver medalist, Makhov, earned bronze in London. He was promoted go silver when Modzanashvilli tested positive after the event, but prior to Taymazov testing positive.
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    2020 Dark-Horse?

    How quickly we forget... Cox was the true dark horse in 2016. Came in seeded 9th. Beat Foster, mowed down 1 seed Herbert, beat Gavin, took 2\3 off Dake. All before ever participating in an international event. If memory serves, Cox had to get his passport expedited so he could head to Mongolia to qualify the weight. His most significant freestyle experience prior was Fargo. The early 2016 Cox would be considered a less experienced freestyler than the 2020 Lewis. Obviously he didn't have to unseat a world champion as the upper weight hopefuls will have to... But J'Den demonstrates good reason to not limit the dark horse discussion to the lighter weights. His consistency since the 2016 trials makes it easy to misremember how shocking his emergence truly was.
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    Adult Wrestling Clubs (Master)

    The same could be said for football and it's pretty popular.
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    Adult Wrestling Clubs (Master)

    It looks like we've both wrestled and done BJJ at relatively high levels, and have a drastic difference of opinion on whether the tax on the body is comparable between the two. You sound like one tough hombre. I don't think most adult bodies will hold up to recreational wrestling training, at least not to the point where the fitness and enjoyment benefits aren't outweighed by the discomfort of minor injury and soreness... which is why many wrestlers transition to BJJ in their later years. Not because of a lack of wrestling opportunity, but because they find BJJ more physically sustainable. I understand that there will be outliers and exceptions to this, and you are probably one of those.
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    Adult Wrestling Clubs (Master)

    BJJ is a bad comparison. Wrestling is so much more physically taxing it is beyond comparison. i would say the gap is more extreme than observing middle aged men playing pick up basketball and becoming upset at the lack of masters level tackle football opportunities. For all of the issues with our sport, I just don't believe keeping our athletes competing on a recreational level after the passing of their prime is one of them. We would be much better served to strategize retaining these former wrestlers as fans, referees, or contributors in some way. You are lucky, in the twilight of your career, to still have the physical latitude and enthusiasm to continue training. I am sure a local high school or club program would welcome your knowledge and skills as a training partner. Plus you could kill two birds with one stone using this opportunity to both help kids and condition yourself for Veterans level competition, which is not as rare as dedicated veterans level training opportunities. Best of luck.
  8. One of the best ways for a righty to demonstrate to a lefty: Face the athlete as if you were his opponent. Allow a little more space, especially when demonstrating a penetration. Execute the technique and have the athlete mimic your movement as if he were looking in a mirror. Just a tip.
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    Finals Thoughts

    This stat will be biased STRONGLY in favor of the wrestler who scored the first T2. The reason being, in a match where one wrestler is appreciably better than the other, he will almost always get the first takedown, and ultimately win. Would you consider modifying your question? Possibly what % of matches decided by 3 or less points are won by the the the athlete who scores the first takedown? Or five points or less or whatever you consider a close match. If seeding were more reliable I would say we could use that as an indicator-- something like in bouts between athletes seeded within 5 places of each other... But we all know this year's seeding was not necessarily an accurate representation of the demonstrated ability of the athletes in question. I am not being critical, I like where your head is at. I am just wondering what the best way to measure might be.
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    Who gets the Hodge?

    Nolf performed even with Bo all season long against vastly superior competition. He should be the Hodge winner. The puzzling and upsetting officiating in Friday night's semifinal helped Jason win the match, but cost.him the Hodge. Although most believe Nolf would have overcome a 2-0 first period deficit, he ultimately won a bout by 1 in which he was gifted 2 points. This will stick in the minds of the voters and maybe rightfully so. Bo will win the 2019 Hodge.
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    Challenges Remaining

    Anyone know challenges remaining by team? Any relevant teams out already?
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    Let the coaches wear track suits

    They can wear track tops. My interpretation of the rule below would be that bottoms with a logo would be permitted but discouraged. Art. 2. Coaches’ Attire. The wearing of jeans, T-shirts, sweatshirts/sweatpants and noninstitutional-logoed warm-up suits (tops and/or bottom), headwear and similar apparel are not suitable attire for coaches during competition and, therefore, are prohibited� Institutional-logoed tops/jackets are permissible� Each coach in violation of this rule shall be penalized with a control of mat area violation� Further, the coach(es) in violation shall not sit in the designated reserved zone for coaching if the prohibited apparel is not replaced with suitable attire�
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    How hard is it to ref college wrestling?

    I disagree. The actions are easier to evaluate as you go higher up the levels for sure. But as the level goes up the requirement to be involved in the flow of the match through verbal commands, position, mechanics, stalling, or passivity goes up as well. Also, calls are magnified at the higher levels. A single error in proceedure, judgement, or mechanics are much more likely to change a winner.
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    Iowa’s New Head Coach

    Looks like Royce Alger is your man.
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    Iowa vs OK State Predictions

    Just because Smith is not yet eligible to compete at 165 does not mean he could not be asked to make scratch for a wrestleoff in advance of that date by the coaches. Actually, if a wrestler is making a significant drop this close to postseason, good coaching may suggest the athlete make a simulation cut on a handful of occasions to acclimate to the new weight before the debut.
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    Bey with a right hook

    Looks like Sunkist Greco HC James Johnson and National Greco HC Matt Lindland.
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    you make finals - and don't wrestle?

    I said I wouldn't go down the hypothetical rabbit hole, but since this is a specific question. An injury to one of the athletes that he could compete with, but could also be made worse in a live match. Back to my earlier post, there are a multitude of acceptable answers to this question (from my vantage point).
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    you make finals - and don't wrestle?

    Isn't that the role of a coach, to make decisions in the best interest of his athletes, regardless of if he loses the respect of uninformed observers? There are so many reasons why it could have been the right call it's not even worth going down the rabbit hole of speculation and hypotheticals. Coach Smith has earned his stripes, I will choose to give the benefit of the doubt it was the right call, whatever the reasoning. I turned in for this match as I was interested as well, and shared your disappointment when it didn't happen. It isn't incumbent on the staff to play out a wrestleoff in the Reno finals, and they earned the latitude of that decision by placing two wrestlers in the championship match. I've gone on long enough, but the outrage here is a little over the top in reaction to a minor disappointment.
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    Non Olympic Weight World titles throw things off.
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    Russian Revolution

    It is useful analysis when juxtaposed against the discussion point that there are regions of the world where this happens.
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    Russian Revolution

    Your evidence doesn't correlate with my point. You are talking in micro terms, I am talking in macro terms. Since you are comfortable talking in absolutes... If wrestling attracted all of our nation's best athletes, we would not only dominate the world, the gap would be so wide this discussion would be moot. An earlier poster noted it's not just athletes, but also culture and conditions. I couldn't agree more. I simply contend that if we had all the best athletes culture would follow along lockstep.
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    Russian Revolution

    If the best athletes in South Carolina all wrestled from youth and were retained through the senior level with quality coaching the whole way we could expect similar results. There is no region of our country where wrestling attracts and retains a majority of the best athletes. We lose to football, baseball, basketball, etc. I know we have great athletes in our sport, but on a macro level this is the reason why we are not the consistently dominant force in the world.
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    Overtime idea

    This idea makes sense in theory but will be a nightmare in practice. It would place an unbelievable onus on the official to keep the defending athlete engaged. Then the official would be left with the decision of whether or not to change the winner with a flee call. I have much greater respect for the level of officiating at the world level than many participants in this board, but this is a responsibility we do NOT want to place on the refs, nor do I believe the top officials would want this responsibility. This isn't usually a problem with the shot clock as 90% occur in the first period and the benefits of remaining engaged and attempting to score outweigh those of risking a flee call for a nominal single point in the first period. Look at the difficulty keeping the winning athlete engaged in the final 15 seconds of the match, multiply this problem and apply it to 30 extra seconds in every tie match. No thanks. Criteria makes for a good product.
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    Huge mistake in Gilman match - coaches/refs

    You don’t have to break contact. Terms like loss of control are non-existent. They went from standing to grounded with one athlete on top of the other facing the same direction and behind the hips- 2 points.