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Everything posted by JHRoseWrestling

  1. Yeah, you're right too. I guess I have come to the conclusion that best at a weight over a selected period of time is complex enough that the raw data alone doesn't do it justice.
  2. Great list JB. I am inclined to look at medals as a better indicator than champs. I can't help but notice how a single guy or a pair of multi-time champs skews the champion list when evaluating how well a program holds down a weight.
  3. The diversity of the rule sets are such an interesting point. I think the reason they don't come up as often as multiple Soviets or condensed weight classes is because JB transcended the rule change. 2013 hit dead in the middle of JB's prime, and he won world gold on either side. I am sure there are great examples of different rule sets favoring or handicapping the ability of an athlete, but Jordan ain't it. Instead he serves the opposing argument well, that the best competitors will find success regardless of rule set.
  4. Assuming he living the dream medal fund pays out Olympics and Worlds this year, Olympic medalists would be crazy not to take their free crack at the money in Oslo.
  5. I love Rulon. I wrote a lengthy post on the matter this summer that I hope if you're interested you will look up. The talk on J'Den Cox has caused many to reflect on Rulon missing weight or missing the weigh-in at the 1996 Olympic Trials. While I would be interested to hear the story of that fiasco from someone in the know, what I'm really curious to know is if Rulon was considered a legitimate threat to take the spot from Ghaffari. Rulon would have been 24 almost 25, and Ghaffari 35.
  6. I was not being literal with regard to the 12M, I recognize that those funds are not wrestling funny money to be allocated however we choose. Still, I am challenging you and everyone else to think way outside the box. Is the best use of our effort and funds to tie our time, money, and energy up in a situation where the ultimate goal is to get our money and wrestlers to a place where they are beholden to an athletic department that doesn’t value them? Stanford is a rare case where an obscene amount of money won’t move the needle. At most places that amount would be successful, but maybe only to the point where the department would begrudgingly reinstate the program and allow it to continue without overwhelming support or excitement. Maybe there is a better way. Maybe there are avenues where greater return on significant investment can be achieved. If we got Stanford wrestling back, we would celebrate because we won our chosen battle. Maybe, for a minute, consider that the price has been too high and the reward would be too low. Maybe the number of kids nationwide who get scholarship money or admissions spots due to wrestling at elite institutions is a paltry number in comparison to the wrestling population. Maybe the values you shared above, while good and honest and noble, actually underserve our great community. Maybe it is time to look at investing that energy in opportunities for athletes in that age group in the Palo Alto area that are not married to the Stanford/NCAA structure. Maybe it’s time to look at the NCAA structure and ask ourselves, as we often ask about the IOC, on a holistic level is our commitment to some of these virtues of collegiate wrestling advancing our great sport or is it holding us back?
  7. Man I would prefer to have this debate in person. You seem like a pretty smart guy and this is a complex conversation. I bet you've coached or been on a wrestling team. Let's roleplay. Stanford is the kid on the team who hates wrestling. He has some skills, but he tries to quit every day. He drags down the practice room and just keeping him engaged is so exhausting on the head coach that the passionate members of the team are neglected. This has gone past teaching the young man to overcome adversity, he is really here against his will. 13 starters with a love for wrestling aren't developed to their full potential because all the energy is being drained to squeeze a few team points out of this kid. At the end of the season, he quits anyway. Here's the thing, he's not a crappy kid, he just wanted to play violin all day long. He loves violin like we love wrestling. Let him play violin. I don't know what Stanford loves, whether it's money, football, academics, or those precious 240 seats in the class formerly allocated toward athletes. I do know it's not wrestling. You asked where we should take up the fight, well I offered developmental programs or getting behind the revitalization of the AU program for starters. I am also reminded of when UN-O dropped a first class program and a first class coach, and Maryville said that sounds like something we would like to have at our place. You seem creative, why don't you throw out some candidates for those 12 million dollars and yours and my combined 2000 words of discussion on the virtues of wrestling more worthy than Stanford has proven to be.
  8. If we are going to play that game we must also mention that JB competed against multiple former Soviets in the bracket and the opposition was concentrated into six or seven weight classes for much of his career.
  9. "Similar academic profile" is an extraordinarily liberal use of the word similar. I know this isn't the only metric of value, but American is a good school with a 36% acceptance rate. Stanford has the lowest acceptance rate in the nation at 4%.
  10. Jason Borrelli exceeded every reasonable expectation of class, professionalism, effort, and leadership in the fight to save Stanford wrestling. His demeanor throughout the struggle was truly remarkable. At the end of the day, no amount of money, competitive excellence, or direction from the coaching staff was going to save the program. Stanford doesn't want wrestling. Part of us has to become ok with that. It is exhausting trying to keep institutions that really don't want the sport on a fundamental level to keep the train rolling against their will. Even if the 12 million dollars was the tipping point for reinstatement, I would love to see those funds directed to institutions (using a broad definition of institution here) that revel in our successes as a sport and truly want wrestling to thrive. Maybe a few of those bucks can follow Jason to DC to support the local chapters of beat the streets or USA wrestling, or higher up the ladder to support the American University program.
  11. You had me until the bolded part. They were dominant in different ways. Cael didn't feast on his opposition with Spencer's frenetic pace. But the ease with which he dispatched his opposition was something to behold. Cael turned Daniel Cormier into an also-ran. Two time Olympian and one of the greatest combat athletes of all time Daniel Cormier. With Cael the result never seemed in doubt, and it looked like he never really needed to break a sweat collegiately. Also, since we're talking about GOAT status, durability is an attribute of importance whether I like it or not. I am not sure if Cael was exceptionally durable, or if he just virtually never entered territory where he wasn't in complete control of the engagement.
  12. Not at the Tokyo okympics, which will feature 16 man balanced brackets.
  13. The Matt Brown example made me think... There is probably an relationship between weight class and athletic peak as you move up. The style of wrestling and requisite skills probably skew the peak younger in the lighter weights, with the upper weights being a little more durable and peaking later. Add in the little guys routinely cutting a larger percentage of their body weight, and I've basically convinced myself of my own point. As circumstantial examples at the extremes, I present to you Matt McDonough and Bruce Baumgartner.
  14. This falls into the "unwritten rules" category. Technical violations don't allow for evaluation of intent, and whether or not the violation creates or prevents a score isn't in the rulebook either. Still, referees definitely pay attention to these two factors when determining whether to overlook or enforce certain violations... And I'm generally ok with that. This is where the brick comes into play. Once it goes to the video, the rulebook is law and if the violation occured, the penalty is generally levied. The video review on the Matt Brown-Tyler Wilps final in 2015 supports my argument pretty well. On the other hand, the manipulation of the headgear in Fix-Suriano deteriorates my point... But we will say I'm right and that was merely an outlier.
  15. Conor Youtsey comes to mind. His 70-51 record is pretty pedestrian in the context of the 2 NCAA medals he has to show for it. Great competitor.
  16. No, it's not close. You would need Iowa out to begin to draw that comparison, plus the weakened field is massaged by everyone rolling their best lineup due to the eligibility relief. In fact you would need more than Iowa out... The only prohibitive favorite not in the current field is Yianni.
  17. You can MFF on the front and continue wrestling on the back. There is nothing on the books to prohibit that, unless there is some obscure rule specific to the Big 10 tournament that I am unaware of.
  18. Your probably correct, but I think there is a better reason not to dual. You and I and everyone else weigh risk every time we leave the house. In the current enviroment, measuring the cost versus benefit of risking exposure to covid against the need for additional competition is paramount. It is extraordinarily relevant that these matches would occur in the window where a subsequent quarantine would keep you out of the Big 10s. Since it seems to be Rutgers who is doing the solid here, I am sure the latitude to leave guys behind (especially anticipated NCAA point scorers) is appreciated.
  19. I think this is rooted in the fact we jumped straight into dual meets this season. As I started to type this it felt like an interesting reach, but as I process I become more and more convinced this is having an impact. Simply put, the open circuit in the early winter sets the table for this call to be made during the dual stretch. For starters the opens are impossibly long days with too few mats for too many competitors. It is advisable for the referee, as much for physical self-preservation as for moving the tournament along, to be diligent about enforcing the edge rules effectively. This keeps the guys in bounds, the matches moving along swiftly, and the bouts per hour high. No such concern in duals. Secondly, each individual match in an open has less gravity than in a dual where team score is in play and all eyes are on a single mat. With less skin in the game it becomes easier to insert yourself into the match and award the warning or the stall and subsequent point. Of course wrestling rules weirdos like me understand that not assigning this penalty in the correct moment influences the match just as much as assigning the penalty at an incorrect time. Finally, without these reps under the circumstances above, referees have less recent practice enforcing the edge rules and a lower level of comfort assigning the penalty correctly down the dual stretch. As a result they sometimes opt for the less inflammatory action call, even when assessing the penalty would be a better choice.
  20. Cortland is s definitely incorrect as Stephon Sair won for them at 174 in 2006. I think Giramita won one in 2014 or so also. The rest look good.
  21. An interesting premise, but redshirts would not be able to wrestle in extra matches associated with a collegiate dual. These matches are countable, attached matches and cannot be participated in without being charged eligibility.
  22. The red and green eligibility markers in the track system indicate on!y one thing-- whether or not minimum weight certification for that athlete has been completed. All of the athletes in green have completed the certification process, and the ones in red have not certified, have not competed, and won't be competing until they do, at which point they will appear in green. I explained some of the intricacies of the weight management system in great detail recently, if it interests you search my recent posts. It was over 1000 words so I won't belabor the point any further here.
  23. Ah yes, 1979 was the year that the HVAC in the arena failed and all participants and spectators spent the event bundled up to fight off the sub-freezing temperatures in the venue. Still wish he had removed the hat, but those circumstances make it a little more excusable in my eyes.
  24. I think that is probably an NCAA team champions hat awarded moments earlier, as Wartburg won the title that year. Still wish he had removed the hat, but those circumstances make it a little more excusable in my eyes.
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