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  1. Massa does nothing for 8 minutes then maneuvers aggressively to his own back. Playing with fire means to me that he was trying high risk/high reward moves and got caught. Massa was sleep walking and rolled to his back for a good night peck on the cheek. Number 2 in the nation? He was not even number 2 on the mat in his own match today. The ref worked harder.
  2. Hands to own face will be a new penalty as they try to pull off their own masks when about to be taken down or pinned. Of course, facts mean nothing in Michigan with that governor and that football coach.
  3. Russelscout declared that he must apply deontology in this case which requires prioritizing the safeguarding of those whose lives are at risk in the short term over the long term well-being (economic directly and therefore health indirectly) and the majority. The exponentiality of infections/deaths was not part of his argument. No mathematical consideration or even the consideration of predictable consequences (such as indirect deaths caused by economic ruin) was part of his argument which is, of course, a characteristic of deontology. I was addressing that point by the car analogy: any deontologist worth his salt who is against anything which may cause the loss of a life should apply the same philosophy to driving and to the receipt/use of driven products in his/her personal life.
  4. Do deontologists drive? 38,000 deaths per year by vehicle and about 70x that number of injuries. So I am sure that all good deontologists will not drive nor eat food or utilize any goods that have been driven. Just adapt your own personal economy and that of all good deontologists as you go. How is that for a moral sandline? Probably washed away with the first wave of reality.
  5. "At least this time it was a pandemic and not a stupid political decision screwing the athletes." - TobusRex A glass half full sentiment!
  6. Then don't think it. I have never read a single post on this board (about WRESTLING explicitly) state that the student athletes should abandon classroom studies or that wrestling is more important. This scold post is quite unwelcome.
  7. Unless the doctors and nurses work without pay and the electricity company transmits without compensation and all property taxes are revoked for that time and all people paid by the property taxes also do not require compensation, etc. etc. then IT IS NOT FREE!! The only question is who pays for it but it is not and cannot be free. Joe Kennedy wants all federal tax payers (about 35% of the population) to pay for the health care of everyone who gets the virus. The reason we have health insurance (private, medicare, medicaid) is for just this sort of situation. Let it work.
  8. CDC says as of yesterday at 4;00 pm 938 cases and 29 deaths in USA. If we actually have a 100x infection rate and still only 29 deaths then our fatality rate is .03% which is 1/10th as deadly as the flu. That sounds like exponentially LESS serious than people think.
  9. I believe very strongly that the effects of the reaction to this virus will cause much more long term negative effects and human misery than the virus itself. In no way do I mean this to be insensitive to any individual or family that loses a loved one. I am talking macro effects here. For perspective - about 10,000 people die every day in the USA and more than 250,000 worldwide die every day.
  10. Absolutely agree. I'm getting all of the push out points I can against the virus. I am licking every doorknob I encounter before going through the door.
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