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  1. Or you could download Champs Stats NCAA from itunes.
  2. I have read most of the posts about Kyle Dake because of his 4 titles at 4 different weight classes being enough to put him as the best college wrestler of all time, and if others have said this and I have not read it, then I apologize but here is my view: Pat Smith should get enough votes for simply being the first to do it. Cael never lost, say what you want about his "loss" but if you are going to charge him with a loss that doesn't count, then you don't really know what you are talking about because simply put, it doesn't count. Dake certainly deserves to be in the conversation, but to say he is the best ever simply because he grew, is to say that Cael should have cut to 174 as a freshman, then gone up to 84, then bumped to 97 as a junior, and for his final season, in order to be considered the best he should have gone up to heavyweight. We all think it so I may as well say it, most of us that think we know a little about the sport would probably admit that we think the quality of wrestling usually goes down a bit the heavier one is, and that is not intended as a disrespect to 197, and heavyweights. Far from it, I know that there have been some tremendous athletes win championships, and some really good wrestlers not even finish in the top 4 or top 8 some years at those weights. However, to those that say Kyle Dake is the best collegiate wrestler of all time based solely on the fact that he continued to grow, and stopped cutting as much weight as the average wrestler, and still won 4 titles? Don't get me wrong I really love that the kid more or less stuck it to the traditionalists that still say, "in order to be competitive in this sport, you have to CUT". Do you really want to try and convince the rest of us that think he is not the best but probably more like ONE of the best ever, and that in order to be given the title of BEST EVER, CAEL should have done what he did at 174, 184, 197, and Heavyweight, and only then we would have considered his career ANY BETTER? Come on now
  3. As a budding historian, I am curious to know what states have held official "State Championships" for the longest time, I am guessing Oklahoma and Iowa, but would like to know years. Here is what I do know, Utah started holding state tournament for their high school season in 1938, Wyoming 1947, California in 1973 (which is a little puzzling considering their population and caliber of wrestling) I also know that the NCAA starting holding division 1 championships in 1928, but is that when the first championships of any kind were started, or is there some particular state like Ok, or Penn, or Ohio that goes back even further than 1928? If any of you have any inside scoop, please comment, it would be extremely appreciated. Thanks
  4. I am curious if any of you would care to share your opinions as I have watched some of the elite college wrestlers over the past couple of years do what has traditionally not been done with any success, and do so with a great amount of success and that is, just say to heck with cutting weight, not only do I not want to cut weight, but I am going to keep moving up year after year (insert Kyle Dake and any others that I am forgetting to mention by name) I have a very dear friend who is convinced that the old tradition of telling kids, that they will be more competitive at a lower weight is the way to go, and is extremely hesitant, (I won't say that he will not listen) but very hesitant to believe any other way will lead to success. We have a new head coach, and the first thing out of his mouth to our team was, "I don't put much stock in weight cutting, in fact I would rather see you bulk up, eat healthy, and get bigger and stronger, than see you cutting weight" Is it fair to say that those wrestlers that are bucking the trend and moving up in weight classes are just that much better than everyone else, and they are an anamoly, or is this the direction the sport is going? I think that my son would actually wrestle for this guy, and I don't think I can say the same for other coaches. I know that my wife would prefer that if he does wrestle, that he not cut more than say 3 to 5 pounds from his very small frame. Our coach's opinion was bolstered when he came back from the NCAA's last year after having spoken with Jordan Burroughs, who apparently stated that he hated cutting weight, and once he got to college, he quit cutting, and just hit the weights, and the good nutrition. What do you all think?
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