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Posts posted by TobusRex

  1. 3 hours ago, hammerlockthree said:

    Thats the creepy thing about Cael, he might be so high minded that he doesn't care about streaks, but he isn't so high minded that runs his program for the well being of his athletes exclusively(no d1 coach is)......long story short he is really hard to predict.

    Cael is EASILY the smartest/best coach in the NCAA today. I think he's a better coach than Gable in some regards (wrestlers are more creative, more dominant, and Cael gets better recruits than even Gable did).  I have no doubt whatsoever if Cael took the coaching job at OU that they'd be winning NCAA titles within 5 years.

  2. Who do you guys enjoy watching the most of the returning guys?

    For me, I like watching Lee a good deal. I admire his pluck, strength, skill. What a fine wrestler. Yianni astounds me with his insane scrambling ability and indomitable will. Yianni is the kind of guy who can accomplish ANYTHING. I love watching Kaid Brock wrestle. He loses a good deal, but by God, he BRINGS it win or lose.

    So...who do you guys enjoy the most?

  3. 2 hours ago, moose41 said:

    Yes I think he’s as tough as anyone n the NCAA.  I don’t know if he had an illness but the speculation is there and the way he wrestled throughout the season makes sense to me. I never blamed his losses on anything. Never said a word about them. I’m only talking about his toughness.  And his conditioning did improve and I think he beat picc to avenge that earlier loss if I remember.

    Yeah, Lee beat Picc at NCAAs. But it was a lot closer than last year. Pretty close until Lee pulled away at the end, as I recall, but Lee wasn't in any real danger in the match. But Picc can always say "I pinned the NCAA champ in 2019". That's a pretty strong bragging point. Something tells me Picc probably is more of a doer than a bragger :D 

  4. On 6/21/2019 at 9:29 AM, John Morgan said:

    Another mark of a smart wrestler is someone who doesn't beat themselves.  This can be long before the match/tournament with improper preparation in all regards.  Very talented athlete but can't seem to get out of their own way by continuing to make poor choices.  In addition, during match time, they are acutely aware of the situations, score, and time remaining, ie, they don't do something stupid to beat themselves.  Simple example, down 2-1 with 20 seconds to go and they go out of bounds.  Wrestler who is down looks at the clock and is aware of situation, yet at say 10 seconds left they look at the clock AGAIN and lose a split second of focus.  What?  You can't estimate in your head 20 seconds and what you need to do?  When I used to coach it was a sin to look at the coaches or the clock during live wrestling.  You only look over or at the clock after a whistle.  I could go on but you get the drift.

    You don't have to be intelligent to be a "smart wrestler". All you need to be a smart wrestler is good coaching and/or common sense. All things being equal of course I'd pick the smarter guy. But things are rarely equal enough for IQ to matter. We aren't writing computer programs or splitting the atom, we're trying to put a guy's shoulders on the mat. Wrestling is "mana from Heaven" for dumb guys. The 2nd best wrestler on my team (after me!) is now residing in prison for multiple DUIs. I bet his IQ wasn't much higher than 80, if it was over 80 at all. I wouldn't trust that dip**** to put the cat out before bed.

    Have you considered that a guy might be TOO smart to wrestle? Second guessing himself, always trying to find the PERFECT takedown, escape, whatever, and wasting time when just good enough will do? I've known wrestlers who were quite smart, but who failed to perform at a high level on the mat. It goes both ways.

  5. On 6/19/2019 at 9:41 PM, hammerlockthree said:

    IQ(solving problems) and conscientiousness(how hard you work) are the 2 biggest indicators of success......so yeah obviously thats true.

    Yeah? Name the last guy with a 170 IQ who won an NCAA title.

    Probably doesn't take more than an 85 IQ to be a great wrestler, if you have the athletic skills and desire. We're not splitting the atom here.

  6. On 6/21/2019 at 12:19 PM, HokieHWT said:

    I don’t know, I consider myself pretty intelligent and I was a terrible wrestler.

    Don't worry, the rest of us feel you were a better wrestler than you think you were (and less intelligent than you think you are).

  7. 1 hour ago, TarpHawk said:

    IQ tests positively correlate to academic and job performance. Anyone who says they are meaningless is not paying attention to the data. Speaking from personal experience, I'd say the correlation between IQ and wrestling success is very low (neither positive nor negative). I've met great wrestlers who span the bell curve. The four factors I'd suggest are most important to wrestling success are (1) mental toughness (fortitude and the will to win), (2) caliber of coaching, (3) time invested in practice and competition, and (4) natural athletic ability.

    That's true, but wrestling doesn't require Einstein's IQ. If I had to choose between 2 roughly equal wrestlers, one with a high IQ and the other with a high bench press, I'll take the high bench press every time. Further, I'll be RIGHT more often than not in doing so. I humbly suggest that points 1 and 4 are, quite easily, the most important in your list.

  8. 14 hours ago, headache said:

    Gilman won world silver and he's dumb as a box of rocks.

    LOL...true enough. But dumb as he may be, he's got a college degree now. On the other hand, it's from Iowa .He's qualified to shuck corn or milk cows.

  9. 1 hour ago, okwrestle said:

    So now that Fix has made the world team do you think he'll take an oly red shirt for 2019-2020?

    If so do you see Okie State dropping Brock back to 133,  Gfeller to 141, and lewallen 149 ?

    OSU won't lose much by dropping Brock, assuming he's willing to go back to 133. He's just an R12 guy at 141, but at 133 he's a top 5 guy. Not that the Cowboys are a huge threat to PSU anyway. The question I have is this: if Fix wins the World Title will he bother coming back to OSU?

  10. 5 hours ago, Coach_J said:

    JImmy Carr made an Olympic team at 16.  On course to win at least 2 Olympic medals, right?  Placed at NCAA once and pretty much was done.  Let's be careful about projecting what someone "would/could/should" have done.

    Yup, just more proof that FS and folk are different sports.

  11. 10 hours ago, Buckeyebison said:

    John Smith is six time world champ who has no obvious muscles. His techniques are quite beyond many, though.


    Then again- 13 times world champ Alexander Karelin is considered perfect “experiment”.

    I beat Karelin in a folk match 13-5.

    Willy Karelin from Bixby.

  12. 38 minutes ago, JasonBryant said:

    We've been over this - "casual fans" don't attend the NCAA Wrestling Championships. The fans who go - go. If you don't go, guess what, someone's going to fill your seat. 

    We weren't talking about the NCAA championships, we were talking D1 wrestling in general. Of COURSE the seats will be filled for D1 championships, that's the premier event of the sport. I suggest you visit McCasland Field House during one of OU's home matches sometime if you want to see what attendance is like for most D1 schools. Heck, you don't even have to go as low as OU is now....visit OSU about 90 miles up the road and attend one of their dual matches (you probably have already been to one or more). Notice all the empty seats in the building? Yeah...there might be 2-3,000 fans in the seats, but there's 10,000 seats with no butts in them. And OSU is consistently one of the most successful programs in the country.

  13. 1 hour ago, TripNSweep said:

    He told a friend of mine that he was training with Chamizo in Italy and he would have easily made the US world team this year.  Maybe he'll come back for next year's trials.  

    Seems like a lot of former wrestlers remember their skills being better than they actually are/were. Self included.

  14. 28 minutes ago, dmm53 said:

    How about some favorite remarks by the pundits and commentators?  

    I had to laugh when Jim Gibbons (I believe it was him) said that IMar has "prison strength".

    I remember when Leroy Kemp was commentating during one of Zain's NCAA title matches. He mentioned Zain is "freakingly strong". I'd be pretty proud of that comment if I was Zain :D

  15. 20 hours ago, MSU158 said:

    This is correct and EXACTLY why I HATE the attendance at the NCAA Tournament used as an argument against a National Duals true championship. 

    First off, a significant amount that go are family. Another majority are the dedicated TEAM fans. Another are the former guys that go to see everyone they haven’t since last year.   Making that an individual only tournament MAY only hurt the 2nd one and I don’t see it doing that much. Other than 2 or 3 teams fans they aren’t there really for their overall team finish.  They are there to watch great wrestling and cheer on those repping their team.   

    The overall team aspect is NOT what drives that tournament’s attendance. Seeing a kid AA for the 1st time, make the finals or even win it all is truly what 90%+ are wanting to see. 

    It just sucks we can’t have both!

    The thing is I think the wrestlers would enjoy national duals. I know I always got a kick whenever we had quadrangulars back in the day. It's the coaches holding National Duals back. Shame they can't continue and let teams sign up for it.