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Posts posted by TobusRex

  1. 5 hours ago, WillieBoy said:

    No doubt about it, Owings was very good. Did make the finals the next two years though he did not repeat. That took some of the lustre off his win over Gable.

    He was a surprise for Gable, coming down to meet him. All the distractions played into it as well.

    Owings wrestled well and Danny lost the match. The rest is history.

    Owings beat him in College and was the only one to score on Gable in the freestyle World team trials.

    Now, for the prize - can you name the wrestler who beat Dan Gable five times?

    When he was younger, Danny was how we knew him. It morphed to Dan as it does with a lot of us over the years.

    If I had to guess who beat Gable 5 times I'd say Leroy Kemp.

  2. 6 hours ago, TripNSweep said:

    I would like to add an 11th suggestion for my own list.


    Adding a D-II program to the University of the Virgin Islands.  There are 7 colleges in the deep south that are D2 and offer wrestling.  It's only about a 90 minute flight from Florida, and it would be extremely easy to recruit there. Who wouldn't want to live on St. Thomas and enjoy the beach every day and not have to deal with cold weather ever?  I think a lot of midwestern and east coast wrestlers would at least take a look.  

    Massive culture shock!

  3. On 2/27/2019 at 2:37 PM, fadzaev2 said:

    Fun stuff.....2 pinning machines......If I were running a "Takedown or Breakdown to Pin" Camp, my staff would be Rutherford, Stieber, Nolf and Nickal.

    Nickal doesn't really break them down, though. He kinda backs off, hands on shoulders, waiting on them to get up and turn around at which point he can shoot immediately and dump them again. If they just kinda stay on fours, kinda semi up, and don't do anything he switches to the other side and tries to power a cradle or something like that. Fun to watch, kinda like watching a spider and a fly.

  4. 45 minutes ago, WillieBoy said:

    I remember when Danny Gable was going for Three and unbeaten.

    No one gave Owings a chance. Don't think most had ever heard of him before the brackets fell out and he was in the finals.

    Still think it would have turned out differently if Danny had known Owings was double jointed and could get out of the arm bars better than most he had seen before. Gable would arm bar and basically work a guy to numbness on one side and then hit the other - in some matches. He was punishing opponents, a lot like Dave Schultz did later.

    I don't see Nolf losing. Then again, did not see Owings or Rulon beating their Gable or Karelin either.

    Owings was a pretty salty wrestler. He'd have probably AA'd every year under today's system, except they had a stupid reperchage type system in effect back then. You could make it to the quarterfinals and lose. If the guy who beat you didn't make the finals, poof, you were out.

  5. On 2/25/2019 at 9:24 PM, lu_alum said:

    Interesting line.  What are the odds that Bo catches Nolf by season end?  Nolf had a 4-pin lead entering the season.  Using match play golf scoring, Nolf is 2-up with 8 to go (assuming neither gets a pigtail at B1G).


    If Bo can pin everybody, he should at least tie Nolf (assuming Nolf gets 3 pins). Would be fun to watch, I'm rooting for him. I wonder if fans realize how lucky we are to see guys like this all wrestling in the same tourney.

  6. 48 minutes ago, tigerfan said:

     5 Eierman

    5 Marstellar

    7 DeSanto

    Surprised you didn't put Brock Mauller (#4) on your list. I have near 100% confidence that Ashnault will choke at NCAAs, plus it's kind of a weak weight class. After Mauller crushed Gfeller I started thinking Mauller a great chance to win NCAAs as a FR.

  7. The only people who follow wrestling are 1) former/current wrestlers 2) current wrestlers' families. That's about it. Heck, we can't even hang on to most of the WRESTLERS!! Out of the horde of boys at my school that wrestled in 4th grade, probably 3 or 4 made it to HS without getting frustrated and quitting. It's a tough sport and not for everybody.

    Regarding the lack of interest regarding World Team trials: FS is a different sport than folk. People who prefer folk often don't care for FS. FS is just a takedown clinic. Top it off with the fact that most FS at the highest level is loaded with tons of stalling. If international wrestling actually allowed the wrestlers to work from the top I'd like it much better, but it is what it is. Frankly the FS folks should be happy to have any fans at all after the snoozefest that was the last Olympics. I found it almost impossible to watch, and this coming from a guy who has been a wrestling fan/participant for the better part of 45 years.

    Regarding MMA: at first I was pleased that wrestlers were having so much success in MMA and I was hoping it would lead to a resurgence in wrestling numbers. Alas the growth hasn't been what I thought it would be. Add in the fact that CTE results from being pounded in the head all the time and MMA sounds like a very bad deal to me. I don't want kids who I watched grow up on the mat turn into punch-drunk morons from an MMA career.

  8. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I think scoring at NCAAs is fine the way it is. Maybe they could tweak the points awarded a little bit. Should a guy get as many points as he does for a fall under the current system?

    Anyway, I think it's okay as it is now. Can anybody say the best team hasn't won NCAAs in the last 15-20 years? Probably not. That's the goal, right, to make sure the best team ends up on top and each team has a fair chance?

  9. We all want to see more aggressive wrestling. I don't mind if there are no points if there are legit attempts made by both wrestlers, but 3 pt takedowns seems pretty decent, especially if tempered like CoachJ's proposal. But I'm content with how we score it now for the most part. Heck, I'm still getting used to 4 pt nearfalls :D

  10. Let's try this again. Only predict who you think will be in the finals. 2 pts for each correct finalist, 3 point bonus if you get the order of the top 2 correct.  Put your fave for the title first, the runnerup afterward.


    My picks:

    125 Rivera/Picc

    133 Micic/Fix

    141 Yianni/ McKenna

    149 Ashnault/Jordan

    157 Nolf/Berger

    165 Cenzo/Marinelli

    174 Hall/Zahid

    184 Myles/Shakur

    197 Bo/Moore

    HWT Steveson/White

  11. 2 hours ago, JasonBryant said:

    Kyle and Andy’s system still keeps the tech fall and puts the premium on pins. Our current system is ridiculous if we look at it right now. We score our events two different ways ...

    That's because in tournaments it's impossible to compete against every other team at every other weight. Plus in tournaments the points are pretty simple. A guy can't score 15 pts for his team just by advancing to the next round, for example.

  12. 6 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said:

    In my view, it's not really for the wrestlers.  I think if you polled the competitors, most would just as soon eliminate the whole podium process altogether.  

    At some tournaments I went to they handed them out between finals matches. That was convenient, I could go sit with dad and laugh about the heavies :.