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  1. "Around the Rings" brings into the debate using the Socchi Olympics as a stage for athletes to bring focus on the issue of gay-rights--noting U.S. athletes Tommie Smith's and John Carlos' protest against racism: Media Watch - Anti-Gay Olympics in Sochi 8/6/2013 Media Sources Scrutinize the Sochi Olympics Frida Ghitis writes for CNN and asks the public to make the 2014 Sochi Olympics the “gayest ever.” Most sources say a Sochi boycott is not the answer to Russia's anti-gay crackdown. (Getty Images) Following Russia’s recent anti-gay legislation, Ghitis calls for the world to lend support to the Russian LGBT community. “The world has an opportunity to let Putin -- who signed all the laws -- and the politicians he dominates know just how repulsive their actions are,” Ghitis writes. Instead of a Sochi boycott, Ghitis proposes athletes, officials, and spectators sport rainbow flags and gay pride. Ghitis writes: “Make it an ‘I am Spartacus’ moment for the world.” The Baltimore Sun suggests the gay community should voice its protest against Russia’s anti-gay crackdown by “being counted, not by sitting out.” The article references moments throughout United States history in which pro-gay groups inspired change by “getting smart and using [legal] systems to their own advantage.” Campaigns such as the “SILENCE=DEATH” response to the AIDS epidemic in the 1980s, to the “We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it” mantra in the early 1990s “mobilized the pro-gay movement. Tim Harper offers his take on Russia’s anti-gay crackdown in an article written for The Star. Harper reaffirms that boycotts are “self-defeating.” Instead, Harper feels Canada should continue mobilizing the fight against Russia’s anti-gay legislation. US athletes Tommie Smith © and John Carlos ® raised their hands in protest against racism during the 1968 Summer Olympics. (Getty Images)In the wake of outcry from the Canadian public and Foreign Minister John Baird, Harper calls on foreign leaders to bring the fight to the G20 summit in “Putin’s hometown of St. Petersburg.” Following Harvey Fierstein’s recent New York Times editorial calling for a Sochi 2014 boycott, Grantland reports on how “three very different people from three very different worlds have now dramatically crossed paths.” SeattlePI.com compares the upcoming 2014 Sochi Olympics to the 1936 Berlin Olympics. Aside from gay-rights issues, rumors also swirl around the Russian government’s Sochi Olympics financial reports. The Financial Times reports that the Russian government views hosting the Olympics as “a matter of national pride that cannot be counted in rubles.” “Opponents say it is an expensive ego trip for a regime that is anxious to show to the rest of the world that Russia is back, 20 years after Cold War defeat and economic collapse,” the article states. The Gazette points a finger at the IOC following numerous human rights violations in Russia. Despite its “well-crafted Olympic charter espousing equality and human rights,” the IOC “has never been bold enough to enforce it.” Human rights violations plagued Beijing leading up to the 2008 Olympics, but the IOC and the public turned a blind eye to these issues as soon as the Games began. The Gazette predicts the same pattern for the Sochi Olympics."
  2. Around the Rings reports: Ng Confident of Resolution to Sochi Anti-Gay Legislation 8/5/2013 ATR) IOC presidential candidate Ser Miang Ng says he is confident there will be a “satisfactory” diplomatic resolution to the issue of a controversial Russian anti-gay law at the Sochi Winter Olympics. Recent comments by Russian politicians say there will be no special treatment for visiting athletes and fans during the Games. The law bans discussion and displays of so-called “non-traditional” relationships around minors. Symbols like rainbow flags and pins are also illegal. Violations are punishable by fines and jail time with foreigners also facing deportation. But Ng, who is bidding to become the first IOC president from Asia at the IOC Session next month in Buenos Aires, remained calm over the issue when he spoke to journalists across from the Olympic Park on Monday. “The IOC has made a very strong point that they will be against any action that would discriminate against participants at the Sochi Games, whether it will be officials, media or definitely the athletes,” he said. “But I believe that the IOC and the chairman of the Coordination Commission has been talking to the highest authority in Russia and I believe that there will be a good solution to that. We had similar concerns about the very strong anti-doping laws during the Torino Games as well. I think to quiet the publicity we managed to resolve that and it was a good Games. “Sochi has put in a lot of efforts and resources in organizing and preparing for the Games and I’m quite sure they also want it to be a successful Games so we have same common objective there. So I believe this issue will be resolved in a satisfactory way for all.” http://www.aroundtherings.com/articles/ ... x?id=44068
  3. "Around the Rings" reports Track & Field World Championships are scheduled to begin next week in Moscow "Athletes from 206 nations will compete at the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) World Championships in Moscow. The IAAF reports that six of Russia’s nine reigning World champions will defend their titles. Overall, 119 Russian athletes will compete. Events run from August 10 to August 18 at the Luzhniki Stadium. To kick off competition, the IAAF will host a commemorative “Meet the Champions” event on August 10. IAAF Council and Congress Today, the IAAF council meets. The IAAF will post news occurring during the meeting on its website. On Wednesday, the 49th IAAF Congress will host its World Athletics Forum. The IAAF Council meets with the IOC Executive Board on Friday." Oops! I guess Track & Field--whose athletes make up roughly 50% of the participants in the Summer Olympic Games--must not have heard about Russia's anti-gay-propaganda laww??
  4. The_Education wrote: "So that means if efficacy is your only concern, then it does not matter what regime hosts the Olympics because nothing about the Olympics can change their behavior. I do not think efficacy is the only issue. I do not want the Olympics held in states like Saudi Arabia (women's rights), North Korea (forced labor camps), or Mauritania (slavery). I suspect you would frown on those countries hosting the Olympics, as well." Yes, of course! But we're not debating about voting on where to host the Olympic Games @ this juncture. We're talking about whether or not to participate in an Olympic Games that were awarded to the city of Socchi some 8 years ago. Why not ask the gay athletes? In a recent interview w/ openly gay USA Figure Skater, Johnny Weir, he didn't even hint of any desire to boycott. This should be an individual's decision, not one thrust upon the USOC by the Government under the threat of losing its tax status or having the President pull the passports of the athletes. The example of S. Africa and apartheid are not relevant here. In fact, any athlete or National Federation sending teams or competing in S. Africa during the time of apartheid were subject to sanctions and possible suspension from the Olympic Games as well as wrestling's World Championship. The issue came up on the occasion when the ornery, late Dale Thomas arranged a so-called cultural-exchange w/ the S. Africans in deviance of the rule.
  5. The Education wrote: "I understand your point, too, Trip. I agree with you that the anti-gay-propaganda law is a human rights issue, and our participation in the Games would, to some extent, help validate the measure. The Olympics are certainly about the athletes, but they are about more than that as well. They are about countries' ideals, and they are a forum where countries can meet and validate each other in friendly contests. And you are right, at this point, the most powerful countries in the world would not validate a country like Saudi Arabia by allowing it to host the Games because its social policies are too far out of line with the more powerful countries' social practices. This is a tricky issue, and I don't pretend to know the answer. Obama will have to make this call, and a lot of his political support comes from gay activists and their allies. Further, setting a precedent of more-or-less allowing incredibly damaging leakers to simply escape to Russia would make it very difficult to have any sort of check on the sort of asymmetric threats the internet makes possible. Personally, I am very alarmed by the leak, and I very troubled by Russia's actions. Are Russia's current social policies acceptable enough to be validated by our presence at the Olympics? Should we retaliate against Russia for giving the leaker asylum ? Will the likely results of a boycott be worth punishing the athletes? Tough call. At this point, I wouldn't mind seeing a boycott, but I haven't totally made up my mind." If the truth were known, most likely the damage done by human rights violations during the Soviet invasion and its subsequent occupation of Afghanistan far exceed the gravity of the human rights violations resulting from the anti-gay-propaganda law. Yet the issue here is not whether a boycott is justified because it's either a human right or political issue. The issue is "efficacy." The boycott of Socchi most likely would have as much impact on the anti-gay-propaganda law in Russia or obtaining the extradition of Snowden as Ahmedinejad and Nentanyahu strolling hand-in-hand on Mt Sinai would have on middle east peace talks. A more effective symbolic gesture would come from all the world's medalist who support gay rights to form a body and use their collective notoriety to speak out against the atrocities after the completion of the Games in Socchi. Jesse Owens--as a single athlete--did far more to expose Hitler's fallacies by dominating the field in the Berlin Olympic, than the entire delegation of athletes accomplished in the 1980 boycott. The only human rights violation were those imposed by Pres Carter against the USA athletes whose rights and freedom to travel and particiapte in the 1980 Olympics were denied. Restricitng the use of the USA flag during the Games, including the opening ceremonies when a billion or so viewers were watching would have brought more attention to the carnage than any boycott. The USA athletes would have been proud to march under the Olympic flag to show support for the victims of the Afghan invasion.
  6. Boycotting the Olympics would accomplish little other than harm the athletes. As an Athlete's Representative to the USOC in 1980, from our experience traveling to the USSR, we --Micki King, Anita DeFrantz, Bruce Wilhelm--realized that boycotting the 1980 Olympics would do little to sway the USSR to leave Afghanistan. The soviets took their sports seriously, but it was never the proxy for military prowess the media made it out to be. We sat @ the USOC meeting as Vice-President Mondale threatened to revoke the tax-exempt status of the USOC and/or pull the passports of the US athletes; should the USOC voted to go to the Olympics. I felt as if I were in the Soviet Union. We voted against as a gesture for all of the athletes who had devoted their lives to training for the Olympic Games. I recall someone phrasing the issue well: "So what is President Carter and his so-called intelligence corp going to do if Cuban troops land in Florida, cancel the World Series or close Disneyland?"
  7. From "Around the Rings" Russia Will Not Make Anti-Gay Law an Issue During Olympics 8/2/2013 Demonstrations have become commonplace is Russia since the passage of the anti-gay law. (Getty Images)(ATR) After a worldwide outcry surrounding the nation’s new anti-gay law, a Russian official told Interfax today that his country has elected “not to raise this issue during the Olympics.” Igor Ananskikh, deputy chairman of the State Duma’s Physical Culture, Sport, and Youth Policy Committee, said, “The Olympic Games is a major international event. We need to be as polite and tolerant as possible. That is why a decision has been made not to raise this issue during the Olympics.” The comments came just a day after the nation’s sports minister asserted that there would be no special treatment for visiting athletes and fans. The recently-passed anti-gay law bans discussion and displays of so-called “non-traditional” relationships around minors. Symbols like rainbow flags and pins are also illegal. Violations are punishable by fines and jail time with foreigners also facing deportation. The sports minister’s comments on Thursday had further fueled the controversy, leading opponents globally to call for the boycott of Russian products, including various vodkas. Some even called for wholesale boycotts of the games themselves. Richard Carrion hopes to become IOC president in September. (Getty Images)The news surfaced just after International Olympic Committee presidential candidate Richard Carrion, in a statement to Around the Rings, called on his fellow officials to ensure athletes would go unaffected by anti-gay laws during the upcoming Winter Olympics in Sochi. “We should use all the avenues possible for influence and diplomacy with Russian officials,” said Carrion, “so that this legislation will not create a problem for our athletes. I am confident that the discussions going on now with the Russian authorities will help clarify the extent of the law and will ensure that our athletes will be protected.” Carrion has been an IOC member since 1990 and was elected to the Executive Board in 2004. “One of the deepest core values of the Olympic Movement,” Carrion went on to say, “is ‘sports as a human right.’ Nothing should ever stand in the way of that.” Carrion is one of six candidates, along with Sergey Bubka, Thomas Bach, Ser Miang Ng, C.K. Wu, and Denis Oswald. The new president will be elected on September 10th during the IOC Session in Buenos Aires. Written by Nick Devlin
  8. Around the Rings reports: "Armstrong fires back Lance Armstrong has asked a federal judge to dismiss a $120 million whistleblower lawsuit that lists him among a group who defrauded the U.S. Postal Service, his former team’s sponsor. The suit was filed in 2010 by Floyd Landis, a teammate of Armstrong’s from 2002 to 2004. It alleged that Armstrong and his fellow USPS riders defrauded the government by receiving sponsorship money with the understanding that they would race without aid from drugs. However, in Armstrong’s 25-page rebuke of the allegations, he said the Postal Service should have been aware that he was doping. Though the disgraced former cyclist strenuously denied it at the time, news coverage indicated that he may have used performance-enhancing drugs. In spite of this, team officials were not dissuaded. In January, Armstrong admitted to using performance enhancing drugs. He had previously been stripped of his seven Tour de France titles, as well as losing his major sponsorship deals and receiving a lifetime ban from competitive cycling. Havelange Stadium will reopen with a year to spare before the Summer Games. (Getty Images)Under the federal False Claims Act, any citizen can sue for alleged fraud against the government, as Landis did in this case. A reward of as much as one-third of any money recovered could go to Landis, who was stripped of the 2006 Tour de France title amidst doping accusations."
  9. tirapell, I agree, it's not a good way to "spend your time debating the definition of a World Champ..." But the strategist keep prodding me to drive social media content--"It's good for wrestling." My 1st instinct is the same as yours. But since I'm en route to Chile for 6 days [Jr Pan Am Champ and western hemisphere rules clinic], I thought it be good time to call-out someone who's doing the sport a disservice in its attempt to remain in the Olympic program and drive content on a social media. I'm glad you anoint Wade w/the moniker 'extensive intern'l experience'. Please tell us what his experience is. Is it wrestling in Tibilisi and the World Univ Games??? Back to the issue---self-promotion @ the expense of the sport of wrestling. For me: withholding germane information from your readers, is tantamount to a lie. Other ethical compasses may point in a different direction. I stand by my point: I question the veracity and the motivation of Wade's article. Think read between the lines! Working on Wall St taught me: self-promotion often blurs one's vision. And I'd say, Wade needs powerful glasses.--
  10. How come wrestling is the only sport where this is supposedly true? Is wrestling the only sport where the top turn to former greats when they struggle to make that nuanced difference? " :shock: Ivan Lendl, the tennis great who Murray hired as a coach in 2012, stayed in his seat and clapped politely when Murray finished his straight-set win over Novak Djokovic. Lendl has never been demonstrative, so it was hardly a surprise. But you’d think even he, the man who won eight Grand Slams .....may have been a little more excited than this." My experience has been, the best coaches that were not World Champions are great coaches because they recognize where their expertise end and fill the void. Many times that's difficult for World Champions to do, which limits them as a coach. I recognized I would not be a good college coach because I lacked the patience. :?
  11. Yes, but I hope none claims to be a "World Wrestling Champion." If they do, I'd be looking for a new coach. I'd have trouble building the requisite trust needed between a coach and his/her wrestler. :?:
  12. It's not about knowledge of intern'l wrestling, logic, direction or business acumen; it's about the veracity of someone who claims to be a "World Wrestling Champion" when he isn't. The leaders of USAW are not World or Olympic Champions and only 6 of the 18 elected FILA Bureau members are World or Olympic Champions. The newly elected FILA President was not a wrestler; but none claim to be a "World Champion Wrestler." :?:
  13. c149c wrote: "Ouch Stan, he still won a world title better than most." You're correct! No beef, just a check on Wade's veracity and credibility--something he should expect when he purports in an open forum to be an expert critic on topics--especially when he has little experience w/ the topic. Wade won the Tbilisi tournament [quite a feat]; was one of the most creative USA wrestlers of all time [as demonstrated by his NCAA pin record] and was indeed a World Univ. Champion; which as you mention is "better than most." I am glad to have had Wade as a competitor. No one demanded his opponents be prepared more than Wade, for that I'll be forever grateful. But to categorize a WUG title as a "World Champion Wrestler" is more than a bit disingenuous in my estimation. Since I was the 1st 3x NCAA CD ['70, '71 & '72] champion and a NCAA Univ champ ['71] should I categorize myself as the 1st 4x NCAA Champ? Of course not, that would be silly and certainly disingenuous. Winning a World Univ Games title does not make one "World Champion Wrestler" or an expert in the field of intrn'l wrestling. Since Wade never wrestled on a US World or Olympic team; and I do not remember ever seeing him @ a World Champ or Olympic Games, save maybe Atlanta in either '95 or '96 [i've either competed, coached or witnessed as a fan all [Freestyle] except-'75 and '97--if my memory is correct]; where does Wade derive such insights regarding the functioning of USAW's intern'l wrestling efforts??? Reasonable question, don't you think?
  14. Historically, I don't believe the USA has entered wrestlers who still have college eligibility. And I don't believe the World Univ. Games (WUG) Committee intended the event to be what we consider "college-age." But that's not clear since the NCAA has not had uniform age limits either. As we know, many NCAA Champions who entered college after a military career are much older. Greg Ruth was 2nd in the World Championships while in the military before he was NCAA champion @ OU, I believe? Correct me if I'm wrong; but in many cases the USA's WUG Champions have been wrestler who no longer had college eligibility remaining at the time they won. In many cases they are part-time students and bump up the load to meet the WUG's eligibility requirements--dropping back to part-time after the competition. After winning, some even conveniently drop the University from their accomplishments. Take Wade Schalles as an example. Wade won the World University Games in '77 [last NCAA in '73??]. Today on his website he claims to be a "World Champion Wrestler." Yet Wade never made a US World or Olympic Team :?:
  15. Stove_Pipe wrote, "I recall that Schalles, Dziedzic and Adams used to go at it in freestyle and all three were excellent. I watched Schalles and Dziedzic wrestle a lot of college matches against a lot of opponents - but off the top of my beetle brain, I think Schalles and Adams wrestled each other in freestyle." Below is an excerpt from a book I wrote that may help sort out the [Adams, Schalles, Dziedzic] record. I'm fairly certain Wade never beat Carl. ................................As I mulled over what to do, I remembered a similar circumstance before the 1976 Olympic trials. Sports Illustrated ran a story by Herman Weiskopf entitled, “Working His Way Up from the Bottom.” In the article Weiskopf ordained Wade Schalles, one of my opponents, to make the Olympic team as “the United States’ best hope for a wrestling gold medal at the Montreal Olympics.” Though I viewed Carl Adams a tougher opponent, Schalles was certainly a formidable foe. Schalles held the NCAA record for the most pins and had just won the prestigious Tbilisi tournament in the Soviet Republic of Georgia. His style of wrestling was remarkably unique. It required his opponents to be keenly prepared. In retrospect, this is something I appreciate. In his story, Weiskopf conceded that Schalles needed to “outwrestle Carl Adams, two time NCAA Champion and Stan Dziedzic, an NCAA titlist” to make the team and stated “Schalles has split 14 bouts with Dziedzic.” Shortly before the edition went to press, Sports Illustrated, as practice requires, called to confirm the accuracy of the text. The more Weiskopf described the content, the more agitated I became. The U.S. team most likely would have a returning Olympic champion, Ben Peterson, a world champion, Lloyd Keaser, and an Olympic silver medalist, John Peterson; yet Sports Illustrated’s self-anointed experts were going to decree that Schalles, who had never made a world or Olympic team, was “the United States’ best hope for a gold medal.” When Weiskopf turned to verifying the content, he said, “Schalles claimed the two of you have split evenly in fourteen matches.” I said, “You may want to check the record; that’s not correct.” He responded, “Sports Illustrated would proceed and run the story as is.” “Go ahead,” I said. “It doesn’t matter.” “Why?” “Because Schalles isn’t going to make the team,” I stated emphatically, and hung up. Now as I approached retirement, I felt that same compulsion to speak out, but for completely different reasons. In 1976, I didn’t care if Sports Illustrated ran the story. I just wanted the satisfaction of telling Weiskopf, “I told you so.” This time, in contrast, I wanted Lehman’s senior executives to take action and address the problem. Yet more important, I wanted to avoid saying, “I told you so.”
  16. And not have represented a country for the past 2 years for the World Championships and past 3 years for the Olympic Games
  17. I've seen coaches miss chances to throw the sponge [including the example you give], but I've never seen 12,000 Tbilisi fans, the entire Soviet coaching staff and officials corp make such a mistake. All of them must have thought it was legal at the time.
  18. The Turkish Wrestling Federation is looking for footage of Ahmet Ayik, FILA Bureau Member. He was Olympic Champion '68 and was several times World Champion '62 to '67 era. Any help would be appreciated
  19. A few things to consider or examine. 1. The thought of an illegal hold escaping notice of a cadre of Soviet referees and 12,000 thousand of the most educated [biased of course to their countryman] fans in the world--all attentively watching [it was the finals]--seems very, very remote. At the least, the Soviets would've protested the match and demanded a review. 2. Most likely, one of the 2 hands is Magamedov's, the other is Dave's. Dave often would grasp his opponents far wrist [one-on-one]and then w/ his near 1/2 nelson hand grab his opponents far wrist. This produced pressure similar to full-nelson, yet technically it was not a full nelson. This put the onus on the referees to make a determination as to the intent as opposed to the legality of the hold.
  20. I don't believe I was the coach on the trip when Dave pinned Magamedov in Tbilisi. This is not to say that Dave and I didn't have philosophical discussion regarding the limits of certain maneuvers. It would be ironic, though, if Dave used a hold that extended the boundaries against a Soviet in Tbilisi, where the Russians most certainly controlled the environment. Think out-foxing the Fox! Dave-perhaps as well as anyone-was a master at the art of pressure. On many occasions I advised Dave to be careful of the unintended consequences.
  21. In the early trips to the USSR, the officiating was particularly biased, more so in the duals and less so @ the Tbilisi Tournament where there was a FILA delegate to oversee the event and the fans generally respected good wrestling. What's more, the event depended on the intern'l teams returning each year. Eventually as the Russians returned each spring for the World Cup in Toledo and 3 duals in the US, they began to understand that it was best for everyone to have as level of a playing field as possible. (Though history cautions me that a losing coach never feels the level playing field was leaning in his favor!) Though there was one incident @ the Tbilisi Tournament that did provoke my reaction: After a local official cheated Greg Gibson and raised his Soviet opponent's hand, I instructed Greg to sit in the chair and I went out to the center-of-the-mat and defiantly sat down. As the 10 thousand or so fans began to jeer, the official--a much bigger official--approached to remove me, I'd spin and threaten to kick him and the crowd jeers grew louder. Soon the commotion caught the attention of the FILA delegate and he came onto the mat and asked what was the problem. I told him this as..ole just cheated my wrestler and I was not going to leave until it was rectified. The delegate reviewed the match, changed the call and Gibson was declared the victor. For the remainder of the tournament occasionally I'd sense someone staring at me. As I looked, there he was, the official giving me the evil-eye. My immediate response was to give him the intern'lly recognized Italian-Elbow-Gesture, but since he was a bit bigger I thought it was best to just mosey over closer to Gibson.
  22. Ray, You slight-of-hand story reminds me of an incident in the 80s in Bucharest. I was coach of a team comprised mostly of our most promising young talent--Sherrs, Metzger, Capone, Davis--as I remember. As custom had it during the days of communism and centralized exchange rates, we traded currency mostly on the streets where we received market rates. I'd just traded some $$ for some Leu and was walking away when from the corner of my eye I saw someone speed past and tackle the guy I just trade w. It was Pete Capone. Pete looked up @ me and said: "check your money," as the guy quivered and shielded himself thinking Pete was going to pummel him. I looked and sure enough in was one Leu rolled w/ a bundle of blank paper. As the guy pleaded w/ Pete for mercy, he gave back the dollars and scampered away. A lesson learned!
  23. Morris, Your story is a great one and I for one enjoyed it. Your description of Ivan Yarygin and his response to your dilemma is descriptive and more importantly instructive. It captures some of the values or benefits of cultural exchanges. It is unfortunate the Tbilisi tournament no longer exists. It was an arena where the fans scored the match better than the officials and mostly held them to account. Sort of like the current international protest procedure without the big screen!
  24. I believe it was Anoka, MN .... not that its important anymore. weh Silver Member Posts: 1100 Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:40 am weh, The trials were in Anoka. Were the final wrestle-offs also in Anoka? I don't remember, but I do remember the match between Behm and Sanders. Like the match between Li of N. Korea and Biro of Hungary in the '86 World Championships in Budapest, it sticks in my mind. Perhaps because Behm was so conventional and Sanders was so unorthodox; Sanders so creative and unique and Behm so focused and proficient. Each was intensely competitive, yet regardless of the outcome both would retain the respect for the other. It was unfortunate only one could make the team. To this day, Rick Sanders remains the USA's most unique wrestler (in many ways).
  25. Sorry, I meant the '72 wrestle-offs in Winnetka, Mn not '76
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