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  1. I have some thoughts on this. Eliminate riding time entirely. The 4 pt near fall is enough of an incentive to stay on top if you're good. Riding time is incentivizing boring mat wrestling, guys hanging onto legs, and reduces scoring. Change the out of bounds to a stall call like freestyle. Scrambles that start in bounds don't count. Develop a way for the refs to signal that they're going to award 2 in a scramble even though no change in position occurs (see Collica/McKenna). Fix and clarify challenge rules. Refs need to let the wrestling progress before making a call. Similar to how refs in NFL will let a borderline fumble play out without blowing the whistle. Too often there is a quick 2 but the scramble isn't finished yet. The ref should have the ability to let the action continue, and take it upon himself to say, "This situation was really close, so I'm going to take a look on video without a challenge". Also, coaches seem to have no idea when it's a good idea to challenge. You're never going to overturn a subjective call. Don't bother wasting a challenge. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  2. This reasoning is so silly to me. If it was so easy to just "create an angle" and finish clean, wrestlers would do it. The sport has evolved (read: improved) technically so "moves" don't work anymore. It's flow. It's improvisation. It's reaction time (and a little bit of luck). That's not a criticism of the legends. But if there were a time machine where 2017 wrestlers could go back to the 70's, they would crush them. It wouldn't matter how tough they were, the technique has improved THAT much. Now, if the Brands brothers grew up in this generation of wrestlers and were 20 years old now, I have no doubt that because of their attitude (work ethic, mentality, etc.), they would be successful as well. But it's because they would have the advantage of both their personal attributes and the advancement and innovation of techniques throughout the years. "Spaghetti wrestling" isn't common because we millennials are soft and choose to do the lazy method of wrestling. Funk, as wrestlingnerd said, is a legitimate technique because the sport evolved to this point.
  3. Bump. Anyone found a solution to this problem?
  4. Update: ESPNU Feed is working on AppleTV. Not working on my iPhone.
  5. Not for me. All feeds out. Even ESPNews
  6. Also getting this error. Safari and Chrome on WatchESPN.
  7. To continue on this line of thought, even if this rule only applied in OT I would be okay with it. In regulation you'll see the guy eventually roll through, win the scramble, and it's 2-2 in the exchange. The first wrestler exposed his back for too long, so he gives up a TD. Fine. But in regulation he has a chance to at least make it a wash. In OT, it's match over, sudden victory. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  8. Haven't rewatched them because I don't have FloPro, but I had a huge issue with this watching live. The way I saw it, they were both trying to pass, but the other wrestler scored points without improving his position. The ref just arbitrarily decided, "Well you've been there long enough. Your back is kind of exposed, so I guess I'll call it 2." In that case we need a way for the ref to give the other wrestler a chance to improve position before the takedown is awarded. Something like the ref saying, "I have neutral exposure...1,2,3,4." And once he hits 4 or 5, THEN the takedown is awarded. How else is the wrestler supposed to know when the ref is going to award 2? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  9. How was that first exposure not called for Pico? His corner definitely should have challenged, although it was so subjective I'm not entirely sure it's overturned. Rough calls for Pico but Molinaro wrestled really well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  10. One problem with unseeded AND uneven bracketing is that you're drastically increasing the chance that the person who makes it out of the bottom half will wrestle a previous world medalist in any given match. EDIT: Apparently between the time I saw this post and typed out a reply this point had been made several times
  11. I agree with most of what you said, but I have to disagree with the hard 30 second shot clock. I do agree that a subjective amount of time isn't ideal, but I think the best solution would be to allow the referee to award a hard extension if action has been initiated (say 10-15 seconds). If they get in on a shot at 27 seconds, the referee would signal at the 30-second mark to add, say, 15 seconds. Any shot that can't be finished in 15 seconds would likely be stalemated in normal action, so this seems like a reasonable addition to the shot clock. As for the repechage, I actually like the way it is now because it reduces the amount of matches needed to determine medalists. But yes, with the unseeded brackets there are matches that occur way earlier than they should (Bonne-Lebedev is a perfect example). If the matches were seeded, I think the current wrestle-back system works perfectly.
  12. I think Zain needs to cut to 141. I don't care if he doesn't like cutting, he was not a big 141. His frame just isn't big enough to wrestle 149, even if he's put on muscle. And him moving up to 149 doesn't do his team any favors by leaving a hole at 141.
  13. I may be wrong, but I don't think the ratings include online streaming.
  14. This is one of the better ideas I've heard. I've been a huge supporter of the push out rule for years, but I understand it has its limitations in folkstyle. Not only does your solution penalize wrestlers for going OOB, which generates more offense by forcing wrestlers to attack if they do step OOB, but it also allows for more scoring opportunities for the attacking wrestler. This eliminates situations where the defensive wrestler would give up 1 pushout point to avoid getting taken down, since it allows the attacking wrestler to complete a takedown in a reasonable amount of time. This style of call isn't unprecedented either, it's similar to a wrestler locking hands but giving the bottom man time to react and get an escape or reversal. Actually, the motion for the referee would be almost identical. I like the idea of an open hand out to the side. Here's a couple alternatives/suggestions. Any time a wrestler steps OOB from neutral, at least one point is awarded (how and when will depend on the situation). If it is just one point of contact (e.g. one foot goes OOB), the official holds out his arm to signal OOB and wrestling continues. Here one of four things can happen. Takedown: If either wrestler finishes a takedown in a reasonable amount of time (~5 seconds to attack, plus time to let scrambles play out if someone attempts a takedown) the OOB call is dropped because the takedown points overrule. Stalemate: If a scramble starts but neither wrestler can finish, 1 point is awarded at the stalemate call. Break in action: If neither wrestler attempts a takedown, (i.e. no action for several seconds) the official awards 1 point for a pushout without stopping the action (slightly different than your idea to wave off the call). Either wrestler goes completely out of bounds: If a wrestler is completely OOB, defined by 2 points of contact outside the circle with no points of contact inside, action is stopped, 1 pushout point is awarded, and the wrestlers start back in the center of the mat. If either wrestler goes completely OOB while wrestling from neutral, it is handled identically to alternative 4. Scrambles near the edge are handled almost identically to freestyle. I would like to go through a few scenarios but I will have to address those later. Some other things to think about: How are escapes where the wrestler escapes out of bounds handled? What happens if Wrestler A gets an OOB warning and right after Wrestler B gets an OOB warning? Do they cancel out? If Wrestler A steps OOB, how are the OOB rules evaluated if Wrestler B is attempting to secure a takedown? Does this rule present any issues for challenges? Anyway, I love this discussion!
  15. Koll's job is to coach wrestling and to try to position Cornell as high up the leaderboard as possible. No wrestling coach in the history of the sport would force their wrestler to give up his win after the fact because the refs blew the call.
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