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  1. Well you see, it was close, but the ref (who was standing right on top of it) saw it one one way and made the call. Too bad DT couldn't get out to keep control of his riding time. This is just pathetic. This call was not "close". It was nonsense. The escape call at the end was "close"....the reversal is completely head scratching, and you know it by the way you hedge your statements about it by saying something like "Too bad DT couldn't get out to keep control of his riding time"
  2. Maybe so. But that is a total non sequitur to the issue. It was a very bad call, plain and simple. To make it worse, Taylor didn't get the escape at the end to send it to OT, and he should have.
  3. +1 Bottom line is simple...Taylor not only deserved this win...it was actually taken from him. They were two very very bad calls. It's a shame. Dake surely doesn't need those calls to win....
  4. I would love an explanation of that reversal call?
  5. The shame of it is that this match very much lived up to the hype. A very very excited match for that low of a score. I just can't believe the reversal call....I just need an explanation.
  6. Oh yea, also Dake lost the legs at the end as well. Two very bad calls (although the reversal call seemed much worse)
  7. 100% better than the All Star. No way that was a reversal there...noooo way! Dake finds a way to win it's crazy!! But that was a very bad reversal call.
  8. That guy Ruth from PSU seems like he may have a chance....
  9. Because Molinaro = Taylor. :lol: On the bright side, at least Taylor is physically big/strong enough this season to maybe have a shot at making the podium...being that he is a Junior now.
  10. No way Dake drop's if he loses. I think it is more likely he'd go down if he won again...although I don't think he goes down at all. Seems he wants his 4th title to come through Taylor, great for the sport!!
  11. Another genius prediction by Marty. The defending NCAA champion/Hodge winner with 2 career losses (the last one to Dake by the thinnest of margins possible) will "lose by more and/or get decked" if he opens up. Why in the world do people not take him seriously!!! :roll:
  12. I completely see what you mean, but I do not think this is a fair comparison. You can construct an argument where Russell may be considered on the level of Dake/Taylor, especially Taylor who only has 1 title so far (although I don't really believe he fits quite on that tier, as great as he was). But Marion is a different story all together. Im sorry, the guy was a great wrestler and very fun to watch, but he never even won a title. But again, I see what you are getting at. I think it is different though. Russell vs. Marion was a match-up problem (IMO) more than them both being equal in skill. I think that is what kept their match close, it was just one of those things, Marion was just one of those guys he had trouble with. Dake v Taylor on the other hand, I think they are very very close in skill (although they do have contrasting styles) that is what will keep their match ups close.
  13. Again, everything you are saying on an opinion basis is valid. But there is just nothing to back up statements like you "don't believe they are equal", when it comes to folkstyle that is (you could certainly argue, and id even agree, that Dake is a step ahead at freestyle right now). I mean think about it, when you compare two wrestlers withing the same weight class, all you can go on is their head to head. No two wrestlers (if they are in the same weight) can be exactly tied(at least not over the short term). You can say that Dake is the better folkstyler right now as well, and I am willing to grant that, for now, given that he is 1-0 head to head. But to say that they are not equal and that future match-ups are not toss-ups/Taylor beating Dake would be an upset - I just can't buy that based on what is observable. If Taylor vs. Dake is not a toss-up...I'd love to know what match (specifically re match) is one? Again - 1 folkstyle match that was decided by rideouts is about as much of a toss-up and as close a match as this sport has to offer. So if Taylor vs. Dake 2 is not a toss-up .... then a toss-up does not exist.
  14. flaBigRedfan, I don't really know what else to say my friend. You have already admitted your bias, and then you analyze the match knowing full well the bias is there and using it fully and unapologetically in your analysis. Example: In period 2 Taylor rides Dake - but you say he never really attempted to turn him all he was doing was riding, therefore him riding Dake means nothing. In period 3 Dake could not at all ride Taylor - but you then say it was only because of Dake's mistake that Taylor escaped, and it does not prove that Taylor can escape Dake's ride quickly, so this also means nothing. (Somehow though, coming from the same person, a double OT rideout victory is more than enough "proof" that this match was dominated and not at all close???) I think you need to try a bit harder to but your bias to the side and actually analyze what happened instead of molding it to fit the dominating performance you were hoping for.... Edit* This is the perfect shining example of your unbelieveable bias in how you see this match. You said: "Dake went in deep for a hi-c, Taylor stopped him and took a counter-shot. An excellent counter-shot that he probably would have finished on anyone else. This counter-shot resulted in a scramble where Dake maintained great position and Taylor was never close to scoring." Dake went in deep for a hi-c, huh? Of Taylor and his shot attempts, you dismiss them all (including the counter-shot discussed here) as not real attempts at scoring, and never being close. Yet you have the guts to say that "Dake went in deep for a hi-c", ha! The exchange in question is here ( ), starting at 6:32. Not only did Dake not get in deep, he failed to penetrate at all. All he did was change his level and reach for Taylor's leg (which he did not even touch, let alone get in deep. I mean he literally did not even touch Taylor's leg with this "Deep hi-c"), and Taylor knocked him off balance and took the single leg. Like I said, this is the perfect example of your insane bias in analyzing what happened in this match. Like I said, your opinion (that Dake will win every single future match, etc) is fine and valid. But you have no ground to stand on when you say that 1) the all-star match was not "razor thin" / that Dake dominated and was never in danger of losing and 2) that a future match is not a "toss-up". Maybe it is in the way you define these words/phrases, I don't know. But what it boils down to is simple: it is completely irrational and baseless to say that Dake is in no danger of losing a rematch to Taylor based on the all-star match...If you don't think an OT victory can be overturned in a rematch (no matter how good/unbeatable the wrestler seems to be) you should check up on your history. *Cough-Cough* Anybody remember how unbeatable Brent Metcalf was the year he lost to Caldwell (after beating him a bit worse than an OT rideout victory that same year in the All-Star)
  15. Well, we know what you believe, and that's ok - but the REAL question is, what does DT believe? Does he think the freestyle result matters? Because if you think about it, that's the only opinion that really has any bearing on the future outcome! I am sure that Taylor is not sweating any past results. Guys at that high a level look forward and adjust, they don't worry about what happened before, it's that simple.
  16. Actually, yes. His name is Cael Sanderson. And he is still to this day considered the best collegiate wrestler ever.
  17. Does he have to change his style and approach, yes. Will he get thrown to his back if he amps up the attack, no. When did Dake become this pinning/back point scoring machine? (Please don't bring up the freestyle result, again.)
  18. Find me a two things I said that are not in agreement with each other, please.
  19. You can have you opinions, which you voiced here, and they can be and are as valid as anyone else's. But these statements are not opinion. One is a baseless assertion, and the other is an incorrect statement of fact... and they are both demonstrably false. First, when you say the 2-1 OT (rideout) score does not suggest this match-up is close because it fails to acknowledge Dake always wins by 1-2 pts...nonsense. Just following your own logic here (which is in itself flawed)...a 1-2 pt decision win is FAR from a multiple OT rideout win, it is a much much much closer match. **And like I said, this is following you logic which I think is totally ridiculous. Just because someone wins many close matches due to their style (as Dake does) does not mean that every close match he wrestles is fully in his control and he is in no danger of losing, especially in the case of the multiple OT rideout win over Taylor - that is just silly. Secondly, to say he controlled the entire all star match and Taylor never stood a chance is just an unbelievable biased assessment, there can be no other reason for it. Sure, he wrestled well and did what he needed to do to win, but as FT pointed out - Taylor was the only one even close to scoring a TD, and had more riding time than Dake going into OT, plus the stalling call/ more shot attempts, etc. These stats alone show that this was anything but a one-sided/fully controlled match (especially not by Dake). To say Taylor never stood a chance in that match is just insane. Okay - so I admit that I may be slightly biased, and I'll even admit that an OT rideout win is different than a 1 or 2 point decision. But my point remains the same: Just because Dake "only" beat Taylor by 1 point does not mean that the match is a toss up, or that they each have an equal chance of winning. Dake has the strong advantage, and I believe he will win every time. Taylor got in deep on Dake once - but was not close to scoring the TD. Dake wrestled and scrambled his way out of it and maintained excellent position throughout. When I said that Dake controlled the entire match, I meant that Dake wrestled "his" match, and forced Taylor to wrestle the same. Taylor never took control of the action or the match. Taylor only shot once. Once. And that ended in a scramble for no points - as is typical for Dake. Taylor never really tried for a TD in overtime - he wrestled Dake's match. Double OT plays into Dake's hands. Nobody can hold Dake down, and Dake can hold anyone down for 30 seconds. When they wrestle again, I believe Taylor will, again, wrestle Dake's match. And the results will be the same. You are twisting what I am saying. I am not implying that "Just because Dake "only" beat Taylor by 1 point that the match is a toss up". I am saying the match was razor thin - literally as close as a match can possibly get. It is not as if I am looking at the score only - I watched the match. For you to say that it is anything but a toss-up in the future based on this match...I would have to question if you actually did watch it. You can believe all you want that Dake will win, like this, every time. But even if he does win like this every single time - the margin of that victory is still razor thin and each match will be a toss-up. If you are only a single point ahead of David Taylor, you are not in a dominating position. He can score at any time, he is that good. For you to try to argue that their next match is anything but a toss-up is just silly and biased, sorry. Now onto the "Dake controlled the match" comments. You can bend the meaning of what you said, and change it to "Dake wrestled his match, etc, etc." that's fine. But when you add to the end of it "He outwrestled Taylor, and Taylor never stood a chance." Then you are betraying you actual meaning behind you words. To say that Dake wrestled "his match" more than Taylor wrestled his, fine that is reasonable. But to say what you actually said, that Dake controlled the entire match, totally outwrestled Taylor, and Taylor never stood a chance? That is absolute crazy talk. One other smaller detail I noticed in your response. You said that Taylor got in deep on Dake once, but wasn't close to scoring. Id go back and watch that again if I were you, I dont know how you can say he wasnt close to scoring there. Dake just did an amazing job scrambling, and using the short time to his advantage there. Also, you said Taylor only "shot once". I dont know what match you were watching, but you may want to go back and count that again as well.
  20. This is nonsense. What is he supposed to do, go easy when he is beating and/or better than somebody? If you don't want to get beaten, don't participate in competitive sports.
  21. You can have you opinions, which you voiced here, and they can be and are as valid as anyone else's. But these statements are not opinion. One is a baseless assertion, and the other is an incorrect statement of fact... and they are both demonstrably false. First, when you say the 2-1 OT (rideout) score does not suggest this match-up is close because it fails to acknowledge Dake always wins by 1-2 pts...nonsense. Just following your own logic here (which is in itself flawed)...a 1-2 pt decision win is FAR from a multiple OT rideout win, it is a much much much closer match. **And like I said, this is following you logic which I think is totally ridiculous. Just because someone wins many close matches due to their style (as Dake does) does not mean that every close match he wrestles is fully in his control and he is in no danger of losing, especially in the case of the multiple OT rideout win over Taylor - that is just silly. Secondly, to say he controlled the entire all star match and Taylor never stood a chance is just an unbelievable biased assessment, there can be no other reason for it. Sure, he wrestled well and did what he needed to do to win, but as FT pointed out - Taylor was the only one even close to scoring a TD, and had more riding time than Dake going into OT, plus the stalling call/ more shot attempts, etc. These stats alone show that this was anything but a one-sided/fully controlled match (especially not by Dake). To say Taylor never stood a chance in that match is just insane.
  22. Yes, I did. What, may I ask, suggests to you that I may not have?
  23. Two things: First how can you possibly say Dake "manhandles Taylor", when we are talking about folkstyle? Second, what is your basis for saying they arnt that close? Dake won in rideouts...if they arnt close then who is?
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