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  1. I have a really really realllllllyy hard time picturing Taylor being shut out, by anyone. Onto a prediction. I see it one of two ways. 1) Taylor wins something like 9-6 (fairly high scoring) 2) Dake wins something like 3-2 (fairly low scoring)
  2. This is an interesting phenomenon, I have always found it intriguing. I think it just boils down to figuring you opponent out. I can give an example from myself in HS. I met a guy in the quarters at States and lost 6-1 (or something like that). He basically won the td battle, and then dominated me on top with tough rides and legs. I met him for 3rd place the next day, and won 7-1. I tightened up on my feet and looked to counter his aggressiveness, and when he did get on top I stopped legs coming in and brought the match back to our feet. Now take this example to the college level...these guys are gamers and know why and how they lost when they drop a match. Getting to see a guy again so soon in that situation is probably a blessing to most of them...that is unless they are just totally outclassed, but that is fairly rare at the D1 level, especially in these situations
  3. I was thinking this exact same thing. Dake will be at 157 before Taylor. I predict by March that Dake will be going for and winning number 4 at 157. That doesn't at all sound like the plan Koll laid out in the interview, totally the opposite in fact. Sounds like Dake is certainly not finished after his NCAA career. He has much loftier goals ahead of him, and he wants to face the best competition possible to prepare for those goals. That means going 165 and facing Taylor, where coincidentally he can also be the first in history to win 4 titles at 4 weights. I understand a coach selling his guy, but if even half of the things Koll said about Dake are partially true, the kid is awesome and has 100% the right frame of mind. Im rooting for and betting on Taylor by the way, I don't want that to get lost in all my Dake praise! :D
  4. Correct. But saying you can infer nothing from similar opponents is nonsense. You can't offhand say A beats C because he beat B by more points, but you can also in no way say that C is a cut above A (who has 1 career NCAA loss) simply by disregarding similar opponents and citing a head to head match up in a different style. "A takedown is a takedown"...yes...but the way you approach it or the resulting points are totally different in Free vs Folk. Example: You should a double leg and get elevated through, then roll over and end up on top in control. Possible Freestyle score: 3-1 bottom man. Folkstyle score: 2-0 top man. Pretty big difference, wouldnt you say??? That's all nice and dandy hyperbole but that's not what happened. So let's actually talk about what happened in their match clean take downs and then turns. Its not meant to be hyperbole. You said "a takedown is a takedown". You were implying that freestyle and folkstyle directly correlate in that way. I was illustrating how they clearly do not. Saying "a takedown is a takedown" in this context is just inaccurate and wrong, and it is very obvious why if you pay attention to both styles. Last point, clean take downs and then turns? Not exactly. I haven't watched the match in a while, but I do remember specifically one scoring sequence where the points would have been totally different were it a folkstyle match. This is besides the point however, I just felt the need to comment on it.
  5. Correct. But saying you can infer nothing from similar opponents is nonsense. You can't offhand say A beats C because he beat B by more points, but you can also in no way say that C is a cut above A (who has 1 career NCAA loss) simply by disregarding similar opponents and citing a head to head match up in a different style. "A takedown is a takedown"...yes...but the way you approach it or the resulting points are totally different in Free vs Folk. Example: You should a double leg and get elevated through, then roll over and end up on top in control. Possible Freestyle score: 3-1 bottom man. Folkstyle score: 2-0 top man. Pretty big difference, wouldnt you say???
  6. Marty-"If Taylor wins the Big 10 at 157 this year....I will STOP posting on the College Board" Threadkilla-"Promise?" Marty-"PROMISE...."
  7. Yes, you did. Is this how you spell Cowardly, pride-less, "welcher"? (this is the correct use of quotes in the way you always attempt to use them, just FYI) Marty-"If Taylor wins the Big 10 at 157 this year....I will STOP posting on the College Board" Threadkilla-"Promise?" Marty-"PROMISE...."
  8. Pathetic. :roll: Continue making outrageous and wildly inaccurate predictions, claiming credit for correct ones that you do not deserve, and utterly butchering the written word through unbelievably incorrect grammar, spelling, formation, and capitalization. We all know you are a coward who doesn't and will not stand by anything you say or predict, so I will leave you with that.
  9. Did all the other words I typed crowd the page so you didn't see the bold and italicized question? My apologies, let me space it out and make it crystal clear what I am asking... Did David Taylor win the Big 10s as a freshman? And if so, why are you still posting here?
  10. This might be one of your most incoherent and nonsensically rambling responses I've seen to date, and yet it so perfectly sums up why this thread exists in the first place. The bolded part specifically however, I think that actually lowered my IQ a point or two after reading it. Each time I ask this question you refuse to respond, and usually start some other rambling to deflect it and redirect away from it (last week I even asked you in 5 separate posts in the some thread I believe), but hey I'll give it another go: Did David Taylor win the Big 10s as a freshman? And if so, why are you still posting here?
  11. I edited this into the above post, but most likely after you already responded. *Edit: And I agree, it would be "petty" if we were picking on Marty simply because he makes wrong or inaccurate predictions... But again, since that is not what we are doing, your point is senseless.
  12. Not offended by it, I just don't understand the logic in having to make one's self feel better than another person for a simple wrong prediction on a wrestling thread, for God's sake. Where we done did growed up in Minnesota we called that, "petty." Did you literally just not read the rest of my entire post, explaining how " to make one's self feel better than another person" was not the intention of the thread, and "for a simple wrong prediction on a wrestling thread" is not the reason why this thread exists? Let me highlight it for you: The issue is not looking down on Marty for his failed predictions, as wildly inaccurate as numerous as they may be. The issue is calling him out on his dishonesty and lack of integrity. His predictions, failed or not, are not the true target here...his dishonesty, lack of integrity, and overall ridiculousness are the true targets. I even gave clear examples of what I meant by saying this. Refer back to my post, that you seem to have not read. *Edit: And I agree, it would be "petty" if we were picking on Marty simply because he makes wrong or inaccurate predictions... But again, since that is not what we are doing, your point is senseless.
  13. The issue is not looking down on Marty for his failed predictions, as wildly inaccurate as numerous as they may be. The issue is calling him out on his dishonesty and lack of integrity. If he stuck by his predictions, this thread would not exist. He completely discredited Taylor and was totally wrong in his assessment of his ability at the D1 level. He was literally as wrong as you could possibly be. Does he simply admit this and move on? No. He attempts to justify and qualify his quoted statements from the past, and spin the context to something else entirely. The fact is he said a guy who has been to the finals 2 times in 2 season would not AA until his Junior year...but he wont simply admit it. Kyle Dake was one of the few NY HS guys Marty was not completely high on right out of HS. Does he own up to this? No. Quite the opposite in fact. He attempts to make it seem as if he knew Dake would be as great as he is now all along, and always seems to tie this to Taylor coming out of HS. "Everyone said Taylor would be a 4 time champ, I knew Dake would be!)...nonsense I suppose he forgets, or chooses to ignore, the fact that all of these things are quoted, in black and white, for anyone to reference. His predictions, failed or not, are not the true target here...his dishonesty, lack of integrity, and overall ridiculousness are the true targets. If you feel offended somehow by this, then simply don't read the thread.
  14. This is by far, without question, the best thread I have or will ever start. Also, the irony of Marty stating how he "stands by every prediction he's made in the last 15 years"... That alone was worth the starting of this thread, amazing! I would simply point to the fact that you are still posting here as the main evidence of how you, in fact, do not stand by you predictions.
  15. The guy gave Taylor 100% chance against Dake. Yep; I dont think Dake can beat Taylor in a college match. I don't even think it is going to be close. Im about as pro-Taylor in this match as you can get. I firmly believe, and have argued, that the freestyle result can not be considered very sufficient evidence when considering a folkstyle match. I believe that Taylor can and will win. However, that being said, to say his odds are 100% (or anything close) against Dake is just outright silly. Remember, these are odds we are setting here, not opinions. This is a 50-50 split situation...a true toss up. Taylor's odds being 100% is absurd.. His odds wouldn't even be 100% against me, there is always that slight chance he will slip into a come at the moment i throw a desperation headlock and I will throw and stick him for the win!!
  16. I remember that one lol. Somehow Taylor getting pinned in the NCAA finals freshman year = Taylor not becoming an AA until his Junior year...therefore Marty's prediction was spot on and he looks like a genius!! :?: Oh to be in his mind for a day....
  17. 100% or basically 0% (except for Wright)... Pretty extreme!!
  18. Since it is known that Marty has made many ridiculous and insanely inaccurate predictions over the years, but at the same time later attempts to weasel his way out of them and not stick to what he actually said, it seems like there should be a common reference area for said outrageous predictions. I will start with an easy and obvious one: Prediction: David Taylor will not be able to AA until at least his junior year. Actual Outcome: Taylor has an 1 NCAA Title, 1 Hodge, 1 runner up finish, and 1 loss in his first two seasons. Addition Notes: This is also the prediction that lost Marty any integrity he may have had left. He vowed if Taylor won the Big 10s as a freshman, he would withdrawal from the College boards (no such luck :? ) Any other come to mind??
  19. 2 champs 7 champs: 1,000 to 1 6 champs: 500 to 1 5 champs: 75 to 1 4 champs: 30 to 1 3 champs: 3.5 to 1 I'd put $100 on 7 champs if I got 1000 to 1!! I wouldn't expect to see that $100 ever again though. I say that 2.5 is a pretty well set over/under for this season. Ruth is a big favorite, pretty close to a lock as you will see. Taylor's got a legendary feat to accomplish if Dake does stay at 165...if not he is a heavy favorite as well. Wright is a gamer, especially at the NCAAs...but the weight jump may affect him and his style. Still, it is hard to bet against him. The Alton's are PSU last chances for a title IMO. Andrew certainly has the ability, it will depend who is around him at 149. Dylan has a tough road through 157...and if Dake gets back down im sorry to say that Id put his chances to less than 5%...Dake's only obstacle is Taylor...nobody else has a legit chance to prevent him from #4 IMO.
  20. The worst kind of people are those who can't stick to their word. If you had the integrity to stand by what you say/have said, and not totally spin those statements later when they are shown to be outrageous, then at least people would be able to respect you.
  21. The fact that you mention every talented wrestler coming out of NY, and you happen to then be correct that a few of them will be D1 studs, means nothing. Of course you will be correct on some (when you mention them all!)...the fact is you are wrong on most. The even funnier thing in this instance is that you predicted Dake would lose early in his career...then when he became the seemingly unbeatable stud that he now is, you stick out you chest and exclaim how you knew it all along!!... :lol:
  22. It comes down to takedowns, book it. Riding will be a wash in my opinion. No turns.
  23. You are just off the wall at this point. I clearly stated I am not ignoring freestyle. Obviously an Olympic Redshirt year will bring improvement in a wrestler coming back to the NCAA... I just said you are giving it far, far, far to much weight for the current question at hand. That question is, should Caldwell be favored over / ranked ahead of David Taylor this upcoming NCAA season. The answer is an obvious, and resounding, NO. You keep falling back on arguments to back your opinion that Caldwell has surpassed Taylor and can beat him, but what you seem to refuse to realize is that I am arguing your much earlier point that he should be considered right there with him in folkstyle...when there is absolutely no reason to believe that..none at all. Sure, his freestyle body of work and training this past season helps, it would certainly close the gap a bit, but it is not enough (or even close to enough) evidence to then say he is expected to be right in the mix with Taylor in folkstyle, let alone that he should be ranked ahead of him (to be clear on how silly this is, you are ranking a 2 time AA with 20 career losses, over the defending Undefeated NCAA Champ at the weight, with 1 career loss...insanity)...HE HAS NOT SHOWN ENOUGH FOLKSTYLE ABILITY TO WARRANT THAT ASSERTION, PERIOD! It is very interesting that you say you are the one considering the "whole body of work", while I choose to ignore the most compelling evidence. The fact of the matter is I give more weight to folkstyle results and accomplishments, and less to freestyle...and you for some reason and giving more weight to freestyle and less to folk. We are comparing and arguing the two in folkstyle...so who is really considering "the whole body of work" more accurately?? Im going to leave it at that with you, because your inability to understand simple distinctions and logic is making my brain shrink.
  24. Unless it's sunrise or sunset. Or the Apocalypse. Ill concede that haha
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