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Yep. The hand coming off the mat did him in.

Greco has been officiated differently in the United States since I was doing it in the 80's. It drives our style in a direction that does not translate as well to the way international matches are officiated. At the world level, especially in Greco, the margins between average and good are generally so small that little style differences are amplified. I will use freestyle as an example. For the longest time, American officials were calling passivity based on action (who is taking all the shots) versus position (who's butt is to the center of the mat). This really hurt our athletes, especially against position savvy opponents like the Iranians.

I got a few. I had some tricks. My club in high school (Peninsula) had some hammers and Portland State guys were in there a lot, so I was pretty decent on my feet. I am absolutely sure he never went full speed with me. He was coaching me as we wrestled. The worst (and the best) part was top-bottom. He taught me a bunch of little things on the bottom that helped me to be an average college wrestler and I have passed them down to the kids I coach. When I was on bottom, it was like a cat playing with a mouse. I wish I had video of it.

Dan Hicks used to come roll with me when I was a freshman at Oregon State in 88-89. That was such a valuable experience. I learned so much by just feeling what he did, he made me feel like a first year novice, but it was fun at the same time.

And the obligatory "Twooooooooooooooooooooo" every time a Hawkeye touches their opponent's leg.

Easy there, Smalls. About 35,000-40,000 people per year die in car accidents in the US.

I see what you did there.

First of all, a hard push does not make a noise. The ref has tools to use besides putting his hands on someone. He doesn't like the kid jawing at him? Pull out the yellow card. He was quick enough to do it when the coach came out. Shouldn't he have smacked the coach as well? Only someone who is mentally weak needs to put his hands on a kid. I didn't go to a private school. I went to a pretty rough small farm town high school. I would feel right at home in Oklahoma. I played competitive sports from the time I was 6 years old. I started football in 4th grade and played high school ball for the winningest coach in state history. I wrestled from 6th grade on. I wrestled for amazing coaches. There were coaches who put athletes into the Olympics, including the winningest D1 coach of all time (who was a notorious hard ass). Was I ever grabbed forcefully? Yes. Did any of my coaches, who I knew and trusted, ever hit me with a "hard shove" like that? Oh, hell no. With exception of my college coach, if they had, my father would have been right there to come after them. Then he would have kicked my ass. Finally, this wasn't his parent, or his teacher, or his coach. This was an official he didn't know and who didn't know him. It is a completely different dynamic.

"I haven't seen it...." It really is not too hard to see it. "I'm not hearing where the ref was way out of line." Listen to me say it: The ref was WAY out of line. I really hope that you are just a fan and have nothing to do with coaching kids.

5:49 of this: https://www.flowrestling.org/events/6280615-2019-usmc-cadet-and-junior-national-championships/videos?playing=6533267&limit=60

Shoves don't make noise that can be heard on the camera mic from the center of the mat.

Are you kidding me? Did you actually watch it?

Well, in this country, that is assault.

I am 90% that this guy refs in Oregon. I am not sure of his original nationality, but he has a very thick accent.

You can't make out what he says in the audio. But, my lip reading tells me that he called him a "terrible referee." I might have called him a lot worse. Not taking anything away from Lee, but he should have only scored 4 points based on the action from the match. There were 6 points off a leg lace when the ref let Lee work for 20 seconds before he was able to lock up the lace. The takedown was with 46 seconds left in the 1st and they never got back to their feet. The first takedown in the 2nd was also not a takedown because Hepner had Lee's foot the entire time. We have lots of experience with this official. He is never very good, and is consistently verbally abusive to the wrestlers. He also bullies the younger officials into changing their calls.