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Witherman last won the day on August 22 2018

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  1. obviously everything in here is 100% speculation and the couple people that have thrown a number have no real basis to that fact. I wouldn't be surprised if snyder is making north of 100k/year as a straight salary from NLWC. now with that said, I believe this type of salary is for the top 1% or maybe even less of today's current senior level wrestlers. just a guess, but I would doubt anyone on the HWC is making that kind of scratch. sounds like everyone is pretty aware of the endorsements these guys have but you also have to remember its not just free gear or travel expenses that they are covering. Snyder has an entire BRAND attributed to him. shoes, apparel, etc. he's getting a % of EVERY sale that is made with his name on it. EDIT: I wouldn't be surprised if Snyder negotiated or even bought into some form of ownership stake in the company based on the high profile of the signing as well as all that living the dream fund cash he was sitting on coming out of college. add in other endeavors like David Taylor's M2 training facility, camps, speaking engagements, etc. and our top level athletes are making a very good living for themselves. with that said - we are no where near other professional sports and won't be for quite some time if ever. along with that I don't believe you will start seeing the compensation following suit of major sports (revealing pay) any time soon either and if you do start seeing it - PSU will be the absolute last person to jump on that train.
  2. Is there a way to spread the wealth? not unless there's a mandate for USOC How are they funded? Private donations, fundraisers, etc. Are funds for salaries from private donations or the US Olympic movement? I believe privately funded Are the facilities shared with most of the college programs in the area, or do any of them have their own facilities? most if not all utilize the collegiate rooms/facilities Do any of you believe the RTC's are giving high school kids chances to advance higher than at any time in our history? 100% yes. giving a HS kid the chance to get work in and learn from the highest senior level athletes as often as they are able is invaluable. Is this the number one contributor to our increased freestyle level of competitiveness? probably (this is opinion)
  3. flawed logic as it relates to P4P. IF we are looking at M & W freestyle (which I DON'T believe was the intention) gray and stock absolutely belong in the conversation. example: do we really think that seth gross (#1) or spencer lee (#3) could beat zahid valencia (#2) or anthony cassar (#4) in the NCAA p4p rankings? of course not - the weight differential is too big. whether or not someone could beat someone else has nothing to do with p4p rankings (unless of course you are talking in the same weight/division)
  4. this is what i'm really curious about - i have no clue what the inner workings of a resident athletes' commitment to said RTC is. would love to hear if anyone has insight on this. if there is no commitment - and being that Tom Ryan isn't afraid to speak his mind - I'm assuming we'll see some sort of a calling for change or at least revision. like I said in my earlier post - I think we're moving towards a "professional era" in senior level wrestling and I truly believe it is a good thing.
  5. I really don't see this as such a taboo thing as some of the others on here. we are entering (thank god) what seems to be a "professional era" of wrestling. you don't see NFL and NBA players wanting to stay in florida because they went to college or high school there. They go where they get the best opportunity to improve as well as the most $$$. (let's not act like this wasn't a factor here) as far as sponsorship/endorsements - to this point it seems like brands such as rudis and scraplife have associated themselves with certain schools (Rudis = tOSU and SL = PSU). IMO - this is a flawed mentality especially as you see Under Armour/Adidas/Nike spend more money on our athletes. You cannot have an allegiance to a certain school in the endorsement game. You have to go after the biggest names and the biggest stars to sell your product. If rudis cuts Snyder because he went to PSU it will be brand suicide.
  6. solid response spey - really a lot of depth there. oh and by the way I didn't compare you - your founders did They Started With $10,000. Now They're Taking on ESPN
  7. my point is not necessarily pointed to spey or accusing him of being a "liar" i've ALWAYS been salty about the fact that they won't talk about numbers at all. social media doesn't mean sh*t. UFC has 16 million followers - not even 1% of those are now buying PPV. the real problem I have is how the flo guys are all over saying "its huge! we're huge! we're changing sports media!" but when you ask them to back up any of their claims they are silent. the only number i've EVER seen was an inc.com article from a few years ago where they claimed they were adding "30,000 users/month every month @ $150/month" but of course this was just a statement from Mark/Martin and no real data to support the claim. don't get me wrong, I love flo and the product they produce. I pay my membership and I use their product. My issue simply lies in the fact that they don't belong anywhere in the same conversation with ESPN+ as it relates to direct-to-consume sports media. oh, just FYI ESPN+ surpassed 2 million subscribers within 12 months of being launched.
  8. cam you give us a roundabout or great than? going from 3,000 to 6,000 is far more impressive than going from 400 to 800. theres a reason that your management threatens to fire you if you release statistics - and it ain’t because they rival espn+
  9. Come on Spey give us a hint. Was it more than 5,000?
  10. Like 25-30 also Flo is going way last all in on the grappling thing. Won’t shut the hell up about it.
  11. Because we don’t focus on the style or put any REAL emphasis on getting better at it.
  12. or we can just start viewing the world championships as the marquee competition in senior level wrestling and forget the BS politics and revenue driven decision making of the olympics. its unfortunate because we were all taught growing up that the olympics were the absolute end all be all when it comes to wrestling and sport in general, but if you dig below the surface its all about money and politics.
  13. why do ncaa football players declare for draft in junior or sophmore year? why do basketball players do their one year and then on to the draft? why do baseball players declare straight out of high school? the answer is $$$. While you can't ignore the "second redshirt" opinion (and I do believe it is a valuable one) the other factor weighing in here is if you can take the ORS for what it was truly intended for - to improve at your olympic level competition, gain access to OTC and other high level training, etc - it will ultimately increase your chance to earn more $$$ as a high level athlete down the road. I think we are far form the point of the above mentioned sports where education is simply a requirement to participate in the sport - but I do believe it is becoming less important as more money enters our sport.
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