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  1. Not sure if this has been posted in the past but pretty cool!!
  2. 125 Roberts tOSU 133 Graff UW 141 Lazor N Iowa 149 Grajales Mich 157 Ness Minn 165 Moreno ISU 174 Evans Iowa 184 Courts tOSU 197 Heflin tOSU 285 Nelson Minn
  3. I still haven't been able to watch Taylor versus Jenkins. I did not watch Taylor versus Dake until the NCAA finals and only because I watched it live. I have been watching Taylor since he was a kid and he was the best I have ever seen. So don't like seeing him lose.
  4. "I" before "E" except after "C"
  5. Could be wrong but I think that is actually Tony Jameson warming up behind Stieber at the beginning. Does sort of look like Taylor though!!
  6. My all time top ~50 since 1970 graduating class based on credentials. Obvious greats such as Smith, Burroughs, Monday, D. Schultz not included due to overall inconsistency through college career, but obviously would be included in subjective all-time list. This is just one man's opinion, but I tried to be as objective as possible but am sure subjective opinions leaks through as I am only 33 years old and have not seen some of the older wrestlers. National titles, finals appearances, AAs reigned supreme in determining list. ***- Indicates wrestler still competing and optimistically assumes wins out. Top tier (either 4x champ or 3x champ and 4x finalist) 1. Cael Sanderson (Iowa State)-1st, 1st, 1st, 1st. 4x undefeated champ. Can't do better. 2. Kyle Dake (Cornell)-1st, 1st, 1st, 1st. 4x champ in 4 years going up 4 weights without RS. Pretty awesome. 3. Pat Smith (Oklahoma State)-1st, 1st, 1st, 1st. 1st 4 champ. Won as frosh without redshirt. 4. ***Logan Stieber (Ohio State)-1st, 1st, 1st, 1st. Could add to 4x champ list. Several losses particularly as true frosh drop him a bit (injury may have played a part). Could be higher than Smith but Smith was 1st 4xer and champ as true frosh so gave him the nod. 5. Lee Kemp (Wisconsin)- 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st. 3x champ. 4x finalist. 6. Lincoln McIlravy (Iowa)- 1st, 1st, 2nd , 1st. Won as true frosh. Dominant. 3x champ. 4x finalist. Behind Kemp because lost later in career however does have better win percentage. 7. Ed Banach (Iowa)-1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st. Lost later in career (albeit to Schultz) hence lower on my list. Still 3x champ and 4x finalist. Lower win percentage than McIlravy. Second tier (Either 3x champ and 4x AA or 2x champ and 4x finalist or Dan Gable) 8. ***Ed Ruth (Penn State)- 3rd, 1st, 1st, 1st. 3x champ and better win percentage than other 3x champs. Very dominant. 9. Stephen Abas (Fresno State)- 4th, 1st, 1st, 1st. Excellent win percentage compared to other 3xers but likely less competition. 10. Tom Brands (Iowa)- 4th, 1st, 1st, 1st. Beat very tough Fried several times otherwise he may have been on this list. 11. Mark Churella (Michigan)-3rd, 1st, 1st, 1st. 12. Eric Guerrero (Oklahoma State)- 5th, 1st, 1st, 1st. 13. Dan Gable (Iowa)-1st, 1st, 2nd. Legend and very high on all-time win percentage. Low because only won 2/3 chances and lost as senior. 14. Jim Zalesky (Iowa)- 5th, 1st, 1st, 1st. 15. Joe Williams (Iowa)- 7th, 1st, 1st, 1st. 16. Barry Davis (Iowa)- 7th, 1st, 1st, 1st. 17. ***David Taylor (Penn State)-2nd, 1st, 2nd, 1st. Best win percentage of 2x champs and 4x finalists. Could be higher as would likely have been 3xer with one loss if not for top tier Dake. 18. Ben Askren (Missouri)- 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 1st. Excellent win percentage. Could also have been higher if not for Pendleton. 19. Steve Mocco (Oklahoma State/Iowa)- 2nd, 1st, 1st, 2nd. Better win percentage than Askren but lost senior year. 20. Jake Varner (Iowa State)- 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 1st. Probably should have been 3xer. 21. Mark Branch (Oklahoma State)- 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 1st. 22. Jake Rosholt (Oklahoma State) - 1st, 3rd, 1st, 1st. 3x champ but weakest of 3x'ers with 4 AA honors in my opinion. Lots of in season losses. Ahead of rest of three timers due to other 3rd place finish. 23. Darryl Burley (Lehigh)-1st, 2nd, 2nd, 1st. 24. Pat Milkovich (Michigan State)- 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd. Got worse through career. Third tier (Either 3x champ and 3x AA or 2x champ and 4x top-four AA or 2x champ and top 25 all-time win percentage) 25. Cary Kolat (Lock Haven/Penn State)- 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 1st. Absolute stud as true frosh. Excellent win percentage. I know outplaced by Jaworsky several times but I still feel better overall. 26. Jake Herbert (Northwestern)-3rd, 2nd, 1st, 1st. Excellent win percentage. Tough losses to Askren. 27. Jordan Oliver (Oklahoma State)- 4th, 1st, 2nd, 1st. Could have easily been 3xer. 28. Stephen Neal (Cal-State Bakersfield)- 4th, 2nd, 1st, 1st. 29. Mark Schultz (Oklahoma)- DNP, 1st, 1st, 1st. Highest of 3x champs, 3x AA due to big time wins. 30. Nate Carr (Iowa State)- DNP, 1st, 1st, 1st. 31. Mark Perry (Iowa)- 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 1st. 32. Greg Johnson (Michigan State)- 1st, 1st, 1st. 3xer in 3 tries. 33, Greg Jones (West Virginia)- 1st, DNP, 1st, 1st. Dominant 3xer but had a DNP head scratcher. However great win percentage. 34. Johnny Hendricks (Oklahoma State)- 4th, 1st, 1st, 2nd. Lost late in career (albeit major upset to fellow 3rd tier all-timer). 35. TJ Jaworski (North Carolina)- DNP, 1st, 1st, 1st. Some big wins although never felt as though he was best in class. 36. Cole Konrad (Minnesota)- 4th, 2nd, 1st, 1st. Beat Mocco. 37. Jimmy Jackson (Oklahoma State)- DNP, 1st, 1st, 1st. 38, Carlton Haselrig (Pitt-Johnstown)- DNP, 1st, 1st, 1st. 39. Ricky Bonomo (Bloomsburg)- DNP, 1st, 1st, 1st. 40. Eric Juergens (Iowa)- 3rd, 3rd, 1st, 1st. 41. Dwayne Keller (Oklahoma State)- 1st, 1st, 2nd. Only competed 3 years but only had one loss like Gable. 42. TJ Williams (Iowa)- 1st, 3rd, 1st. Only 2xer however did in 3 years and Top 25 all-time win percentage. 43. Brent Metcalf (Iowa)- 1st, 2nd, 1st. See above. Lower than TJ due to more and worse losses. 44. Gene Mills (Syracuse)- 3rd, 4th, 1st, 1st. 45. Rod Kilgore (Oklahoma)- 3rd, 1st, 4th, 1st. 46. Jarrett Hubbard (Michigan)- 4th, 2nd, 1st, 1st. 47. Johnny Thompson (Oklahoma State)- 2nd, 1st, 1st, 3rd. 48. Chris Taylor (Oklahoma State)- 1st, 1st. Only competed 2 years but never lost and had only one tie. ***Jesse Delgado, Nico Megaludis, Tony Nelson could make list pending next several years.
  7. If Dake is not closing the gap on Burroughs over the next 2 years, should he consider switching to Greco? If I recall he has an excellent Greco pedigree. He certainly has a toolset that I think translates well to Greco. He has amazing hips and balance and has shown ability to throw. If he is able to solidify a couple of solid turns from the top, he could be tough to beat. I am not saying he should give up on his freestyle dream as I think he is closer to Burroughs than most anyone in the world, but this could be an opportunity for 2 of our best to be showcased internationally.
  8. Delgado over Mega Steiber over Ramos Steiber over Maple Oliver over Ness Welch over St. John Taylor over Dake Perry over Evans Ruth over Bosek Kilgore over Wright Nelson over Gelagov
  9. No matter how it's pronounced, try saying the name five times fast.
  10. If I were a gymnast, I wouldn't appreciate the name of the event!
  11. 1. Dake-Cornell-157(Sr)-Going for 4 without redshirt. He's trying to do something noone has ever done before. That deserves #1 to me. 2. Howe-Oklahoma-174(Sr)- Seems to have progressed light years in Olympic red shirt year. In OTTs, his offensive explosion was impressive. The only thing that puts him behind Dake is weight change, injury, and career achievements. 3. Taylor-Penn St-165(Jr)- Still think he will dominate anyone but top 2 (including Caldwell). I think matches up better with Dake and Howe in folkstyle but hard to overlook those freestyle matches. 4. Stieber-Ohio State-133(So)- He seems to have progressed even since his national title this year. He has tons of upside even at #4. 5. Ruth-Penn St-184(Jr)- May struggle slightly to dominate at 184, but by years end could end up bumping out one of my top 4. Guy makes it look easy. 6. Oliver-Okla St-141(Sr)- Even with loss at nationals and moving up a weight, I still have hard time putting him this low. For me last year, he may have even been my number one pound-for-pound heading into NCAAs. Like Taylor, losses of late linger. 7. Kilgore-Kent State-197(Sr)- Like Howe, seemed to progress significantly in Olympic red shirt year. Could be scary good this year. 8. McDonough-Iowa-125(Sr)- Going for 4th finals and 3rd title in row. Has been fairly dominant most of career in very competitive weight. Like many others have said, I think top 8 are clear cut top 8. 9-10 are pick em in my opinion. 9. Wright-Penn St-197(Sr)- I think he can beat anyone in any given day. He has shown tremendous inconsistency, but his flare puts him in top 10 for me. 10. Ramos-Iowa-133(Jr)- Surprised not to see his name yet on anyones list. I suppose he doesn't have a title or even a finals appearance. I guess I just like this guy and enjoy his style more than any of the other alternatives for #10. He does have a win over Oliver and I believe is the only person this year with a chance against Stieber.
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