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  1. What pity party? BobDole told me that what just happened on this thread, never happens and I make stuff up. How many predictions on this thread for 4 time NCAA champions do we have? Well, next time I point out how often this is done on themat.com. I'm not going to be told that it isn't, because frankly it is. Perhaps I should have told u to take ur hijack elsewhere. I am asking people hypothetical questions, one of them being who is most likely to win four. I guarantee none of the people that have answered that question would bet money on that occurring. We know that 4 is very uncommon. Again bring ur hijack elsewhere.
  2. JT throw ur pitty party elsewhere
  3. Yes, me asking hypothetical questions is the same as us actually having the expectations for these guys to win 4x. :roll: I disagree that this thread is "notable discussion about the plausibility of winning 4 NCAA titles." This thread is "the forum has been boring, so lets talk about hypothetical things that don't matter."
  4. Your most likely recruit to win 4 national titles if Marstellar doesn't redshirt is a heavyweight??!! When no heavyweight has ever done it and even the list of 3 timers is incredibly short? And he'd also have to beat a redshirt senior Nick Gwiazdowski and a true junior/RSoph Adam Coon to win a title? Ummm wow agree to disagree on that one. Yeah cuz 4 timers and 3 timers at all the other weights are a dime a dozen? I guess you missed the part where I put both being unlikely to occur. Has anyone won 4 titles at only one weight? Cael and Dake both moved up, Pat Smith was before my time so don't know his weight classes. #overreactmuch
  5. Most successful career. Bo Nickal, just his style and the fact he will be at 184 make me think he finishes with the best career. "Least" successful career. Joey McKenna, just a hunch First one to win a national title. Nickal Last one to All American. Haines, will redshirt then have to get by Tavenello to start, possibly Snyder eventually? Most likely to win 4 national titles. If Chance redshirts this next year, him. If not, Nevills. Both unlikely Most likely to never All American (I know this seems like a dumb question now, but weirder things have happened). Haines, predict Snyder moves up. Most likely to finish as 4xAA, but no national title. Nolf, 149 is always tough More AA honors Ohio State big 3 or PSU big 3? More national titles? OSU, PSU Better careers Chisko or Nolf? Brill or Jordan? Nevills or Haines? Nolf, Jordan, Nevills
  6. 1. Kyle Snyder Woodbine MD 197 Ohio State 2. Chance Marsteller Fawn Grove PA 174 Oklahoma State 3. Bryce Brill Mt. Carmel IL 157 Northwestern 4. Jason Nolf Rural Valley PA 149 Penn State 5. Nick Nevills Clovis CA 285 Penn State 6. Micah Jordan St. Paris OH 157 Ohio State 7. Bo Nickal Allen TX 184 Penn State 8. Joey McKenna Pine Brook NJ 141 Stanford 9. Thomas Haines Solanco PA 285 Ohio State 10. Solomon Chisko Jeannette PA 149 Virginia Tech Times are slow so lets make some predictions on how the top ten recruits of 2014(according to Earl) will do in college. I am going to throw out some scenarios and feel free to give your answers and if you wish to explain your reasoning feel free. Maybe 4 or 5 years from now someone will remember we did this and we can look back and laugh at how horrible we all did. :lol: Most successful career. "Least" successful career. First one to win a national title. Last one to All American. Most likely to win 4 national titles. Most likely to never All American (I know this seems like a dumb question now, but weirder things have happened). Most likely to finish as 4xAA, but no national title. More AA honors Ohio State big 3 or PSU big 3? More national titles? Better careers Chisko or Nolf? Brill or Jordan? Nevills or Haines?
  7. We wrestle a tough season schedule and travel out of state every year. Many of our kids have wrestled Flonationals or NHSCA Nationals. Or they attend camp at a school they are interested in going to. That's a much better place for a coach to get to know a kid than watching a few matches from the stands. It's less than we'd like, but we also live in CA. It's hard to get back to the midwest/east coast very often without mortgaging your house. Every kid we've had capable and wanting to wrestle at the next level has found a spot to do so, whether that be D1, D2, D3, NAIA, or Ntl JC. Has Clovis ever been to the Clash or have intentions to go?
  8. Was Nebraska in the Big Ten yet? I am more surprised that a football player hasn't won it since 2000.
  9. travelling trophies do instill another level of interest in a rivalry though IMO.
  10. MN and IA have the governor's belt which was started by Jesse Ventura http://www.gophersports.com/genrel/013102aaa.html
  11. Lets talk about some rivalries that schools get amped up for. I hope IA State can step up and make the IA State vs Iowa duals what they used to be. It is good for wrestling for IA State to be relevant. Throw in UNI and that's a nice triangular! Some of my favorites MN vs IA MN vs OK State IA vs OK State MN and IA are both developing good rivalries with PSU as well IMO Nothing beats Bedlam though! A potential rivalry that I'm looking forward to watching develop. South Dakota State vs North Dakota State, Dakota battle fueled by two young programs with energetic coaches. Any other fan favorites though throughout the country?
  12. If u think that tells the whole story of development then ur kidding urself IMO. Many variables involved and each person will have a different criteria to gauge development. If final placement is ur criteria for development then that's your prerogative. Let me guess u don't think a coach can be great without a national title too? ;)
  13. nice interview from 2009 with Cael talking about the PSU hire. Kind of touches on a few things brought up here by various posters.
  14. http://theguillotine.com/wp/2014/07/nca ... ing-staff/ NDSU continues to impress with their level of commitment to wrestling. Great pick up for Coach Kish.
  15. Do you mean last year's lineup? I wasn't aware that he was only doing last year's lineup. If he is, then Varner shouldn't be included. Yes last years. I presume that is what Jammen was intending to do. Guess if that is also the case, A. Alton should be removed and English should be entered. Gauging talent development is so subjective, mainly because people (myself included) use subjective rankings of recruits to gauge their initial talent level. Who is to say those ranking are correct? Maybe Chris Dardanes should have been ranked the 27th overall recruit in the country coming out of high school, and maybe McIntosh should have been the 50th. How do you really know? Overall I think the ranking sources give a good assessment based on high school accomplishments, but there will always be errors. All I know is that I am pleased with Minnesota's talent development.
  16. Let's see how Cael has developed these highly ranked wrestlers: #3 Jimmy Gulibon 18-15 dnp. most observers expected more. #2 Andrew Alton dnp, dnp, dnp. #8 Dylan Alton 3rd, dnp, dnp #1 McIntosh dnp, 7th. Compare to last years Minny: #81 Chris Dardanes 4th, 6th, dnp #15 Ness 2nd, 4th, 2nd #NR Danny Zilverberg 7th #5 Logan Storley 6th, 4th, 3rd #84 Steiny 8th, 5th, dnp, 5th #78 Schiller 5th, 3rd #49 Nelson 7th, 1st, 1st, 2nd #78 Schiller 5th, 3rd How many recruits did you leave off? What about Ruth, Taylor, Varner, Meglaudis, Retherford, etc.? I agree with including the others, but why would you include Varner when looking at least year's lineups? I'm interested in your opinion on that.
  17. Cael to PSU was the perfect storm as I have stated before. It will be interesting to follow him the rest of the way. Will Cael and PSU overtake college wrestling like Gable did back in the day? Or is there too much parity for one team to trump the field? I think Cael will have PSU positioned as a perennial top 5 team with always having an outside chance at the title. Similar to the Iowa's, Ok St's and Minnesota's of the college wrestling world. Cael and PSU's rapid improvement has helped increase the popularity of college wrestling.
  18. Looks offly similar to the one she took with J Rob a few weeks ago in Minnesota. Except J Rob looked happier ;)
  19. Awesome! And I agree wholeheartedly, ocho, as you state above, Cael Sanderson IS a great recruiter! :D I see what u did there misquoting me. Why can't you just let me have my concerns and live my life? How does my opinion effect you?
  20. Interested to see how it plays out. Who is voting? Championship committee? Coaches?
  21. Super old my use of responsible is kind of a blend of the two you described. Probably 80% the first, and 20% the second. Hope that makes sense. If it doesn't just shake ur head. Anyway I'm going to end my portion of this discussion basically the same way I started it. I think Cael is a great recruiter, but I have minor concerns as well. Have a great 4th everyone! USA! USA! USA!
  22. Can you respond without a question? TBar and super old are back at it. I'm dispersing blame to all parties involved based on the limited information I have read and miles of assumptions. Not sure what is so hard to understand about my stance. There is a very small chance that the coaching staff responsible for recruiting, would not be held even a very small amount responsible when two top ten recruits decommit. I understand there is a chance I may be wrong because as I stated I wasn't involved in those conversations, but I will take my stance of all being partially responsible over the idea that no one is responsible.
  23. Fault definition: responsibility for a problem, mistake, bad situation, etc. synonyms: responsibility, liability, culpability, blameworthiness, guilt So the NCAA is at fault?
  24. What caused you to make the decision to transfer to Augsburg? LeVesseur: One main thing was that I wasn't happy with everything that was going on at the U and in the wrestling program. And there were a few other key things, like family issues and problems, and then personal and social life problems. Those things just kind of attacked at one time. I just thought, 'OK, what's the best case scenario? And what's the next best scenario?' I spent a lot of time thinking about it. It really didn't help too much that my roommate, Cory Cooperman, was in the same position. Obviously, since we were roommates, we talked about whether we should transfer or stay and fight through it. The best choice for me was to cut ties and focus on school. That was my biggest focus my first month and a half there. I was doing superb in the classroom. I was pretty much getting a 4.0. About a month and a half into it, it became a little more challenging. There were a few more parties to attend. School slipped a little bit. So I'm like, 'Hey, I need to get this in check … because obviously I want to graduate.' And then I thought, 'What about transferring across the river to Augsburg?' Within the rules, I talked to (Jeff) Swenson. He was like, 'Our door is open if that is what you want to pursue.' So it just happened that I ended up wrestling for the Augsburg Auggies. http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/465 ... -LeVesseur Figured I would let Levessuer speak for himself. Some vague comments that still lead to speculation, but gives an overall idea that a multitude of things lead to his decision. Head coaches are the CEO's of the wrestling program. Everything that happens under their watch they are at least somewhat responsible for. That can include grades, legal, development, recruiting, fundraising, attendance, retention, etc. When something goes good or bad in an area it reflects upon the coach. Obviously some areas they deserve more blame/praise than others, but they still deserve some. I'm sure Cael can handle it, now its your turn TBar. Haines and Nevills are going to be compared side by side for the rest of their careers so don't expect this conversation to go away for the next 6 years, grab a comfy chair and some popcorn.
  25. For Minnesota I think they need 7 AA's to win it all. I gave each wrestler a rating on scale 1-5. 5 being most likely to AA, 1 being least. 125-Brancale-1 -showed flashes, but lacked consistancy 133-Dardanes-4.5 -can he hold the weight, if so lookout 141-Dardanes-4 -can compete with anyone at the weight, will he have the consitancy needed to perform at nationals? 149-Short-2 -just won two pan am golds, the Dardanes moved down to make room for him in the lineup. Lost a close one to both Dardanes and Tshirts(who didn't) last season. 157-Ness-5 -If he can make the finals through the road he had last season (avenging 3 losses), I have no doubt he will do it again. 165-Kingsley-2 -still a question of who will hold the weight. Kingsley has shown flashes but may be too small for the weight. 174-Storley-5 -Pre-Season number 1. Can beat anybody at the weight. 184-Pfarr- 3 -stepped in nicely for Steiny last season and was a bonus point freak. Beat Dean in freestyle this summer. I expect him on the podium. 197-Schiller-5 -Top 3 for sure IMO. 285-Kroells-3 -Similar to Pfarr in that he looked good in limited varsity action. Had a major over R12 Tavenello at National Duals. Glad to hear he is in the 250's for weight now. He is an exciting heavyweight that never stops attacking. 5-Finalist potential, Almost "guaranteed" top 4 4-Mid to high AA 3-AA potential, decent resume to support 2-AA potential, small sample size to support 1-Unlikely to AA I will compare tOSU and MN, the first is who I give the edge to in a dual, the second in a tournament. 125-tOSU,tOSU 133-MN, MN 141-tOSU,tOSU 149-tOSU,tOSU 157-MN, MN 165-tOSU,tOSU 174-MN,MN 184-tOSU, MN-wanna call this a tossup. 197-MN,MN- Snyder will be great, I just know what Schiller has proven. I can't pick someone who has yet to step on a college mat over the 3rd place finisher last season. 285-MN,tossup - in a tournament I am not sure who would go deeper. I think tOSU wins in a close dual with the MN lineup I posted. In a tournament it is really close as well with a razor thin edge to tOSU due to Steiber's almost lock of championship. These two teams are very close in talent level.
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