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    Most Exciting Match of the Tournament?

    Erneste Wilson match was intense
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    Neutral in time breakers?

    For those who didn’t see it, Conan Jennings vs. Zach Elam. They were in triple overtime and Conan road Elam out in the first tiebreaker. Conan was having no luck getting an escape all match and was getting tired, so he chose neutral for the second tiebreaker. His thinking must have been that if doesn’t get taken down, he wins on riding time advantage (30 seconds from the first tiebreaker period). Elam ended up getting a takedown to seal the win.
  3. It’d be super interesting to know if a wrestler didn’t give up a single offensive point the entire NCAA Tournament and didn’t win a title (i.e. lost on only escapes, penalty points, etc.).
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    EWL MAC Merger

    From what I understand Mizzou tried to stay in the Big 12 as an affiliate member for wrestling after they joined the SEC. But the Big 12 was pissed about them leaving the conference and wouldn't let them stay. So I don't think that's an option. I would love nothing more than for Mizzou to join a conference like the B1G or Big 12 for wrestling, but unfortunately I just don't see how it could happen. So I guess this MAC and EWL merger is the best we can hope for for the time being.
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    New Flo Rankings

    My apologies, I missed the Dec 31 rankings that would have taken that match into account. I just thought it was one of the more significant recent 184 matches and was surprised to not see a blurb about it in the Jan 7 rankings (because not much else happened at 184 the past week). But obviously if it happened on 12/30 it would hit the 12/31 rankings, not 1/7. Always been a huge fan of Flo, keep up the good work!
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    New Flo Rankings

    No mention or account taken in the rankings for Dylan Wisman beating Max Dean at 184.
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    J. Cox Olympic Weight?

    I find it interesting that everyone assumes Dake is going down to 74kg for the Olympics. If he goes up to 86kg, his toughest competition is someone he's beaten two dozen times (assuming Cox goes 97kg).
  8. Of Intermat's Top 20 Rankings, Eierman will see these guys in Mizzou's duals: 1. Yianni 5. Kaid Brock 6. Sa'Derian Perry (pinned) 7. Mike Carr (dec.) 9. Josh Alber 10. Bryan Lantry 18. Nate Limmex Plus, he could wrestle the following guys at CKLV: 1. Yianni 2. Joey Mckenna 8. Mitch McKee 9. Josh Alber 11. Chad Red 15. Nicholas Gil 17. Dom Demas 18. Nate Limmex 19. Kanen Storr 20. Sam Krivus Probably not the most difficult but pretty darn tough. He could easily face every wrestler in the Top 10 aside from Nick Lee. I also hadn't thought ahead to Eierman and Kaid Brock's match until now, but that will be a barn burner, can't wait.
  9. 125: Lee Even if Fix goes 125 I still think Lee wins. Lee showed at NCAA's that he had it all: leg attacks, defense, top game. I think that extra year focusing on folkstyle instead of freestyle gives Lee the advantage for now. 133: Fix, or if Fix goes 125, Gross Gross is so good, but after watching that match with Tariq Wilson I just really feel that Fix is dynamic enough on his feet to beat Gross. If Fix goes 125, it's Gross' weight. 141: Yianni, or if he goes 149, Eierman I just don't see how anyone will beat Yianni no matter whether he goes 141 or 149. If he goes 149, Mckenna has a style that I think Eierman will figure out. If you don't let Mckenna score first or hit his dump, he'll have to open up more, leading right into Eierman's wheelhouse. 149: Yianni, or if he goes 141, Leeth People forget that Leeth hadn't wrestled a real match in like 2 years until last season. If Yianni isn't here, I think this is a wide open weight and Leeth will improve enough to come out on top in March. 157: Nolf He is going to absolutely wreck the field next season. 165: Joseph He gets it done and wins matches when they matter. I read those losses during the season as coming from the attitude of wanting to open up and get better, so I don't put much weight in them. 174: Zahid, or if he goes 184, Hall If Zahid goes 184, I think Amine will push Hall, but Hall will come out on top. I'm sure he's extra morivated this season as someone who's not used to not finishing on top. 184: Nickal Regardless of whether Zahid goes 184, I think Nickal wins. He is just so comfortable in any position and I predict he'll pull it out at the end of the year. 197: Moore I think we see him closer to what he was like his freshman season. 285: Gable I am not very confident about this pic, but I'm also not high on any of the current heavyweights returning, so I'm going with Gable.
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    Best of 3 Finals, who you got??

    Valencia is too young. It's not fair he hasn't wrestled as many matches in his lifetime as Dake.
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    US OPEN-freestyle discussion

    Technically the rules did not impose a direct physical disadvantage on the challenger. They present an incumbent with an advantage, which must be earned. And plenty of sports provide physical advantages to competitors based on qualifying events. Track athletes with better qualifying events get the better lanes to race in. Same with swimmers. I'm pretty sure cyclists and race car drivers also get more advantageous starting positions based on qualifying events as well.
  12. Does it have to do with the last guys who won titles for their respective schools in their respective weight classes also being Hodge Trophy winners? Kyle Dake won a title at 141 as a freshman at Cornell and eventually won the Hodge. David Taylor won a title at 165 as a sophomore at Penn St and won the Hodge.
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    What happened to Oklahoma State?

    One thing I never really saw an answer to was why one of their 149 lbers didn't move up to 157. Was Geo Martinez really not a better option than Blaylock? Regardless, I don't think their performance this year is a trend either. One poor season is not a downward slide.
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    Session 5 thread

    It's crazy to me with how wild this tournament's been in terms of upsets, the finals matches are all pretty much what people predicted except for Lee at 125 (which was a tossup between him and Nato anyways), Perry at 149, and Haught and Macchiavello at 197.
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    Mizzou

    It'd be easier to have a conversation if you didn't flip flop between "easy schedule" and "easiest schedule of any top 10 team in the country". Two very different things. I stand behind the statement that Mizzou's schedule was not easy. Whether Mizzou's schedule was the easiest of any top 10 team in the country is debatable depending on how NCAAs plays out, but I would agree that they're in strong contention. Regardless, most top 10 teams have very tough schedules, and just because someone's schedule is easier than a very tough schedule, doesn't make it easy. It could be tough, it could be average, it could be medicore, it could be weak. Add in the fact that determining how difficult a team's schedule is so subjective. Why determine it only by top 10 teams faced? Is a 12th ranked team so far separated quality-wise from the 10 that it shouldn't factor in at all for strength of schedule? Why not just make it top 5 teams faced? In that case would only Big 10 teams ever have tough schedules and everyone elses's would be easy then?
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    Mizzou

    I've brought that up before, but for all intents and purposes it seems that most people don't really care about Mizzou facing a Big 10 team unless they are top 10, preferably top 5 (aka Penn State, Ohio State, Iowa, or depending on year Michigan or Minnesota). There's definitely no love lost between Iowa and Mizzou after National Duals a few years ago, but they already wrestle a brutal conference schedule AND Okie St every year anyways, so I doubt they're trying to add any more tough out-of-conference duals. But even though Penn State is a tier above Mizzou currently, I think Mizzou would still love to have that dual. I really missed the tOSU Mizzou dual this year and hope they start regularly scheduling it again. There was a budding rivalry there and the duals were typically pretty exciting. But I can understand why tOSU didn't schedule us this year, as their schedule was absolutely STACKED with PSU, Iowa, Michigan, and NC State (who I think was forgotten above).
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    Mizzou

    I just think it's bad logic to claim their schedule was easy just because they wrestled one less top 10 team than those other teams. And regardless, let's revisit this analysis with the results of the 2018 NCAA tournament, because I guarantee Cornell will be in that top 10 and I doubt ASU will be. But honestly, whatever if people think anyone's schedule is easy. How good a team is is determined mainly by their performance at NCAAs. The thing that really bugs me is when people imply that Mizzou somehow tried to rig a weak schedule to get better seeds or something (I'm not saying that you do this boconnell, but a lot of people have jumped on this train). I think Mizzou's track record is ample enough evidence to put those conspiracy theories to bed. Brian Smith has said he's tried to get top Big 10 teams to schedule duals with Mizzou and they've turned him down (except for tOSU, who they wrestled around 3-4 years in a row before this year).
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    First Session Thread

    First of all, I brought up the past 5 years because people have been using the logic "Oh wrestle a weak schedule and get a great seed", to imply that that was Mizzou's goal. And Mizzou's track record over the past 5 years does not support that. Also saying that away duals at Oklahoma State and Virginia Tech are not tough is a joke. And a soft schedule by what measure? Teams make their schedules before the season, and of the top 10 teams from NCAAs last season Mizzou had duals with the 3, 6, and 8 place teams this year. I really don't get everyone's desire to pick on Mizzou.
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    First Session Thread

    The point about not ALL their guys getting quality bouts is a statement that could apply to any team. Every lineup has its strengths and weak spots, and it's impossible to guarantee that all of your wrestlers face top ranked guys. Even with a Big 10 schedule. But other than that I think your points are very true. Mizzou's lack of a premier in-season tourney is the one criticism that may be deserved. But people should keep in mind that it's not like Mizzou shys away from these. They've competed in the CKLV, Scuffle, etc. and done well. I honestly think they just try and switch things up occasionally. The Scuffle was weak this year too. As for being in a weaker conference than the Big 10 (and every other conference is weak compared to the Big 10), Mizzou didn't have much of a choice in the matter. Once Mizzou left the Big 12 (due to football), the Big 12 wouldn't let them stay for wrestling. They joined the best conference that would have them. Their contract with the MAC is actually just about up, so it'll be interesting to see if they end up in another conference in the future. My point is that people are being very accusatory about Mizzou wrestling a "soft" schedule and getting good seeds. I guarantee that if you look at the last 5 years, Mizzou has had one of the toughest, if not THE toughest, in-season tourney and out-of-conference schedule in the country (regularly scheduling Ohio State, Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech, etc.). Just because Mizzou had one season without a premier in-season tourney doesn't mean they deserve to get hated on.
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    First Session Thread

    Mizzou did not wrestle well this first round but it's laughable everyone whines about their "soft" schedule. Illinois, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma State, Cornell, North Carolina, Northern Iowa were all on their schedule, and those are good teams. It's not like they can wrestle 3-4 Big Ten teams every year, and in fact Brian Smith has said previously that there are regularly Big Ten teams that turn down requests from Mizzou to schedule duals. People say Mizzou's schedule was so soft, and then talk up guys they beat. For example, Lavallee beat Heffernan and Colgan, who have been getting talked up in this tourney, while he was getting roasted for lack of quality wins. Eierman beat Carr from Illinois badly at the beginning of the season and it gives him no credit, yet McKenna beat him at Big Ten's and everyone thinks it was such a great win. I get ragging on Mizzou for a soft schedule is what the cool kids are doing these days, but it's not reality. Unfortunately Mizzou's underperformance in Round 1 doesn't help dispel that thinking.
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    Any Wisconsin coaching news around Cleveland?

    I can't speak for Askren, but I'd imagine at the end of the day owning his own business and having the freedom to do/say whatever he wants would seem more appealing to him than a college head coaching job. I think the main draw for Askren would be the challenge of putting his home state of Wisconsin on the map again. But I don't think that would be a big enough draw to top the things I mentioned above, if he even is offered the job in the first place.
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    157 Bracket

    Going by FloRankings, Shields and Berger are currently ranked 7 and 12 respectively. Lavallee has wins this season over Archie Colgan, Colin Heffernan, and Kennedy Monday, who are currently ranked 8, 13, and 14, respectively. Those wins are pretty comparable in my opinion. Micah does have a win over Kemerer (granted Kemerer may be injured), but he's also lost to Kemerer (when healthy). And he's split with Shields. I just think it's a little disingenuous for people (especially people at Flo who were roasting Lavallee for his lack of wins on the most recent episode of FRL) to rag on Lavallee for lack of wins when they're actually pretty even with Micah's. And Kemerer's for that matter, whose top wins are over Micah and Shields. I guess the point I'm trying to make is not that I don't think Micah and Kemerer don't have good wins, but it's not like they've had amazing wins this season. And Lavallee's are comparable, yet Lavallee gets a ton of slack for how supposedly weak his resume is. Undeserved criticism in my opinion. Mizzou's schedule has been uncharacteristically weak this season, but they still had out of conference duals with Illinois, VA Tech, Cornell, Oklahoma State, and UNI. Those are all good teams (and in the last 5ish years VA Tech, Okie State, and Cornell have all been trophy contender teams) and it's not Lavallee's fault none had any highly ranked 157 lbers this season.
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    157 Bracket

    I also find it interesting that people seem to think it's so clear that Kemerer is better than Lavallee or Hidlay, especially when Lavallee finished higher at NCAA's last year, and Hidlay beat Lavallee this year and is undefeated. I hear a lot of "It's shame the 2 best wrestlers, Nolf and Kemerer, are facing off in the quarters." Who has Kemerer really beat this year except for Micah Jordan? And not to hate on Micah, but he hadn't really beat anyone of note until Kemerer this year. The only guys Lavallee has lost to in the last 2 years are Hayden Hidlay, Jordan Kutler, and Jason Nolf. And at NCAA's last year he beat Palacio who beat Kemerer. Hidlay has beaten everyone he's faced this season and he's a freshman, how can you just assume Kemerer is better? Nothing since the last tournament that both Kemerer and Lavallee wrestled in together has led me to think it's clear that Kemerer is a tier above Lavallee. I know last year Kemerer wrested Nolf closer than Lavallee did, but that doesn't mean Kemerer is head and shoulders above Lavallee. And Hidlay is at least at Lavallee's level, if not higher, so I see no reason to assume Kemerer is clearly better than him either.
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    157 Bracket

    Micah won't take down, but I guarantee that Lavallee gets at least 1 takedown in this match, and subsequently will put a hard ride on him. Lavallee will score at least 4 points (in my opinion), if not more: 2 takedown, 1 escape (after picking down), and 1 riding time point. That means Micah will have to score at least 3 takedowns (or escape from bottom, which seems unlikely) to outright win the match. Doable, but I think Lavallee will win. He's very underrated.
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    Let's talk about Mckenna

    The thing that I think has really helped McKenna is scoring early. McKenna is so solid defensively and then not having to chase an opponent to score puts him in a better position to win. If he goes down early and needs to score to come back, it makes it very difficult against guys who can scramble like Meredith, Eierman, or Yianni.
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