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  1. Ask him how long you are a state champ for? Achieving AA status at the DI level dwarfs that accomplishment. Even achieving that at Fargo can be argued over nearly every state championship.
  2. Correct me if I am wrong but 149 is 25lbs less than 174 and 24 lbs more than 125. So wouldn't the difference in an "absolute sense" be only 1 lb?
  3. It's called backing up your stance with facts. What facts make him unlikely to contend with a very thin 141 class?
  4. I hate to say it, but I think a lot of personal bias is making MANY on here inaccurately gauge how good DeSanto is based on what they think of his personality. Let's not forget that he wrestled at Drexel(not exactly known for top notch performance and immediate development) as a TF and went into NCAA's with only 5 losses and a solid win over Micic. He would win his 1st 2 matches before losing to Micic and having a mental breakdown when he was clearly on his way to winning his R12 match. As a True Soph he transferred to Iowa and would go into NCAA's with 4 losses, owning a win over the eventual Champ. He would take 5th with his 2 losses being 3-2 to Micic and 7-6 to Pletcher. He also avenged his early season loss to Gomez, beating him 16-5 at NCAA's. Out of the guys he lost to that year he was 1-1 against Suriano(Champ), 0-1 against Fix(2nd), 0-1 against Micic(3rd), 0-1 against Pletcher(4th), 2-1 against Lizak(7th) and 1-1 against Gomez(R12). I mean the guy wrestled a MONSTER schedule that year. He wrestled EVERY other AA and 1 of the R12ers. The guy IS a contender at either 133 or 141. Deal with it!
  5. RBY vs DeSanto is too early to know? So DeSanto straight up dominating RBY last year means nothing because it is a new year? Is that only because RBY wrestles for PSU?
  6. Let's be a bit more specific. For 125 and 133, it is Iowa. Terry Brands just has a special knack for developing guys at those weights. 141 is a bit goofy across the board for consistency and who is the go to coach for development. I would probably lean towards tOSU(but losing Roselli hurt) and OKState(Mr. Smith is still Mr. Smith). From 149 up it 197 is IMPOSSIBLE to pick against PSU. By all accounts Cunningham is wizard and Cael needs no further statement. 149-Molinaro and Retherford made for a monster run. However, they may have come back to Earth at this weight for a bit...... 157-Alton, DT and Nolf made for a damn near seamless transition. With Berge's injury this weight could fall back for a bit as well. 165-DT and Joseph make this weight a monster for PSU. OkState has done very weill here. 174- To say PSU has DOMINATED this weight class does NOT even do it justice!!!! Ruth, Brown, Nickal and Hall have combined for: 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 5th, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd and 2nd the last 9 years. tOSU has done very well at this weight, but NO ONE can compare to PSU. 184- As crazy as it sounds, PSU has been nearly as dominant at 184 as 174. Wright, Ruth and Nickal took 1st 5 out of 6 tries with the other being a 2nd. Only thing holding them back was a DNP and R12 from McCutcheon and a 2-2 from Rasheed. WIth Bosak and the Deans, Cornell has a legit argument! 4th,1st,3rd,3rd,1st,1st,2nd,8th and 2nd the last 9 years! 197-Wright, McIntosh, McCutcheon, Rasheed and Nickal combine for a rather pedestrian(compared to the last 2 weights)last 8 years of PSU result. 1st,7th,3rd,2nd,R12,7th,1st. Minnesota had Yohn, Schiller and Pfarr AA for 7 years in a row from 2011-2017. However, they have fallen WAY off at that weight since. tOSU has had a strong performance at the weight with Heflin, Snyder and Moore. 285- This has been Minnesota owned no matter how you look at it. PSU may now have Cassar, but 285 is inarguably the worst weight PSU has had under Sanderson. Konrad(04-07) 4th,2nd,1st,1st. Berhow(08-10) 1-2, 1-2 and R12. Nelson(11-14) 7th, 1st, 1st, 2nd. Kroells(15-17) 8th, 7th, 7th. Streifil (18) DNQ and Steveson(19-?) 3rd.
  7. Pretty much every "educated" Iowa wrestling fan knows PA is where you need to go to get top HS talent. Even HR has almost unanimously come around to that fact. Some may still argue the "per capita" argument, but they won't deny that PA has an overwhelming amount of DI ready talent and has consistently proven that with AA, Finalist and Champion results.
  8. According to Statista.com US High School wrestling participation has dropped 9.3% from 2009-2010 to the 2018-2019 season even with a significant increase in female participation. According to FLO(2015-2016 season), PA had the 6th highest amount of wrestlers competing in High School, while Iowa is 17. That doesn't even account for the significant difference in population for each state. Another interesting tidbit is that 30 of the 50 states have decreased in numbers since 2006-2007. Of the 20 that increased most are extremely minimal excepting a hand full, including PA. Meanwhile Iowa participation dropped 11%(7313 to 6512). States that have increased since 2006: Texas 6674 to 11327-----by far the largest increase in both raw numbers and percentage(excluding 0-25 which was DC). PA 8946 to 9780 for an increase of 9.3%. So they coincidentally increased the exact percentage the entire country decreased. NJ 8933 to 9070 FL 8269 to 8297 GA 7275 to 8171 MN 7957 to 8135 CO 4828 to 5052 SC 4114 to 4763 TN 3739 to 3904 OK 2500 to 3785 UT 2995 to 3421 Al 1940 to 2719 NV 2240 to 2420 ID 2325 to 2392 LA 1224 to 1725 NM 1488 to 1608 AK 126 to 1469 WY 1078 to 1153 AR 0 to 839 DC 0 to 25 Missisippi is the only state that doesn't sponsor wrestling but still listed 19 and then 25.
  9. I would agree with that, IF he didn't immediately go with them not beating PSU and sending them somewhere that "actually" could win like NCState with "better" weather........As if NCState has done anything to this point to considered a contender, let alone moreso than Iowa. Add in that he has a history of knocking Iowa and you should get where I came from.
  10. I am well aware of that usage. HOWEVER, his WHOLE message leans towards it being taken LITERALLY. He isn’t known as a poster pro Iowa and he immediately calls for the talent to go elsewhere. Either way arguing with you is a waste of time. Hopefully he will actually jump in and confirm it was an Iowa troll job.
  11. Please explain to me what his very first sentence means then......
  12. Not true. Look at my last post. NOONE besides tOSU has been ANYWHERE positioned to beat PSU over the Young Guns at Iowa timeframe and NOONE would be better positioned this season if they traded.....but go ahead and be your usual PSU blow hard self......
  13. A little creative team switching over the past 3 seasons using all Iowa rostered Young Guns results: 2019: Lee went as a true sophomore. Kemerer missed the season due to injury. Young went as a RS SO. Murin went as a RS FR. PSU- 137.5 tOSU-96.5+24(Lee outscored Malik by 24)+11.5(Young outscored Hayes by 11.5)=132 THEY STILL LOSE! OkState still loses by more than 30 pts. Michigan loses by more than 40 pts. Missouri loses by 39 pts. 2018: Lee went as a true freshman. Kemerer was a RSSo. Young filled in at 174. Murin redshirted as a TF. PSU-141.5 tOSU-134.5 +7.5(Lee outscored NaTo by 7.5)+2.5(Kemerer outscored Jordan by 3.5)-144.5 tOSU WINS BY 4. Michigan-80 gains 23.5 from Lee over Mattin and 5.5 from Kemerer over Pantaleo. They still lose by 33. NCState 80 gains 26 from Lee over Fausz and 16.5 from Kemerer. They still lose by 19. Missouri loses by over 40...... 2017: Kemerer is the only Young Gun starter. Young redshirted as a TF. PSU-146.5 tOSU-110 OkState-103 Missouri-86 NONE OF these teams SNIFF PSU
  14. Then I am not sure you understand his point and mine. His POINT is that Young Guns is being WASTED at Iowa. There is next to NO data to support that. The ONLY team that could have beat PSU over the past 3 years with ALL of the Iowa rostered Young Guns is tOSU and that is assuming that the 4 do at least as well as they have done and that is NO guarantee. As far as the amount goes, that is a GOOD thing for Iowa AND Young Guns. Lee is on pace to be a 4x Finalist, Kemerer a 4x AA, Young a 3x AA, with Murin on the fringe and Teasdale having 4 possible years of a 2nd chance. If Murin and Teasdale AA a couple of times and the other 3 finish as expected, that is MORE than anyone could rightly have expected from that group.
  15. Seriously? How many Young Guns have wrestled at Iowa so far? For how long? The answer? 4 and all have at least 2 years of eligibility remaining. That sure is a HUGE sample size to say it is "stupid" and not team productive. 1.) Spencer Lee-1,1,?,? 2.)Kemerer-3,4,?,? 3.)Young-DNQ,5,?,? 4.)Murin-R12,?,?,? Of the above 4, only Lee and Kemerer were inside the top 25(Young was 25 on the button) in their respective class rankings. Max Murin was #44. But, don't let actual statistics get in the way of your agenda....................
  16. There is hope for you, yet. At least this shows that you can’t be wrong ALL the time! ;)
  17. FLO is good. But, good is relative. They are NOT ESPN. In fact, they are much closer to "The Ocho". The Ocho is better than nothing. But, do you really want to be happy with "better than nothing"? Now, I know that the sports they cover do not create the revenue, nor the fanbase to warrant major productions, top notch announcers/analysts or seamless coverage. As a result, the quality that should be expected IS within the ballpark of what FLO provides. However, that doesn't mean that the critiques shouldn't be voiced or should be ignored. jon is admittedly a broken record and the way he goes about his message leaves a lot to be desired. But, that doesn't mean a lot of what he says is incorrect. It also doesn't help that some of the FLO guys come on here and argue when people complain. It comes off like a "big fish in a little pond" mentality with a "how dare you question me" image. I like much of what FLO does. Guys like Bader come off as truly genuine and much of his content is great. The Techniques portion is TOP NOTCH. Yet, there is MUCH that can be significantly improved or completely revamped. This is especially true when it comes to purchasing options and I say that when I use it enough that I am fine with what I pay now. But, the "die hard" is the only demographic the current system appeals to. I just don't get why you wouldn't market certain duals or events and give them a "pay per view" option. Do you really think you are going to lose the die hards that pay yearly? Hell, if you did, I would bet many of them would possibly end up paying more buying multiple pay per views or whatever you decided for access to the technique portion. I doubt guys like Willie will listen to this, but the "kill them with kindness" or "taking the high road" goes a lot further to caring about customer support does than getting into petty arguments on wrestling boards. This comes from a guy that has had plenty of these petty arguments on wrestling boards, but I don't have a brand/image that I should be protecting...........
  18. Here is a little taste for you WITHOUT copy and paste or anything of the like: PSU 1 and Iowa 2. Here is the side by side: --------Iowa-------PSU 125 #1-----------NR 133 #5-----------#6 141 #9-----------#2 149 #6-----------NR 157 #2-----------#5 165 #2-----------#1 174 #4-----------#1 184 #10---------#6 197 #8-----------#3 285 #11----------#1
  19. Didn’t Snyder wrestle 285 for 3 years and BEAT those guys? It was admittedly in a different style, but the guy has had significant experience wrestling at that weight class. He would admittedly have to deal with the size disadvantage again, but his motor should be at his highest. That could be a huge factor at a weight that generally doesn’t showcase stamina. If he thinks 97 is still his best, then he stays there(which I think happens). However, I do think his going up would be best for the USA Olympic run if J’Den goes up. 57-Fix/Gilman/Lee 65-Retherford/Yianni/Oliver 74-Burroughs/Dake 86-Taylor/Dieringer 97-Cox 125-Gwiz/Snyder That is 5 out of the 6 weights with at least a World Silver medal and a RIDICULOUS amount of medals from 74-125. Even as good as Russia is topping that is hard to do!
  20. So very true. With the limited amount of recovery time, even if you are the clear #1 at the weight, wrestling the #4, #3 and then #2 back to back to back would be extremely hard to do. This is especially true if the last 2 guys have shorter, much easier matches leading into that match up. A solid example is Metcalf. Granted, he never got it done at World's(nor was he the #1 guy), but he was also sort of his own worst enemy. Whoever beat him was so drained by wrestling him, they inevitably had nothing left and couldn't pull him back through to repechage. Tough matches that early, or that often, make it that much harder to make it through the bracket. Pretty much simple common sense, actually..........
  21. Your body type and experience/willingness to rigidly manage weight are bigger concerns than trying to maintain a freestyle weight that isn't even an Olympic one. Not to mention the fact that you have just become a student athlete with MANY concerns other than what weight you MAY wrestle to TRY to make the US Freestyle team in a different wrestling style. I know many are now sold that these KIDS are ALL out of the gate planning for the Olympics, but I hope most of them aren't putting the cart in front of the horse. Look at Spencer Lee. Does anyone really not think he will be a major factor at 57kg once he goes after it? Still, he has focused on classes, his team and folkstyle wrestling. DI wrestling is hard enough. Add in whatever extra grind all those extra freestyle factors would create and you have a recipe that could backfire. Now, I say this based on his build and the fact that he doesn't appear to be someone that has ever really focused on weight management. This is an especially significant factor with the old 215 and 220lbers. I have seen MANY struggle mightily as "tweeners" trying to hold 197 with little to no experience doing so. If he does go 197 all 4 years, good luck to him. Hopefully that is more because he is closer to 197 than 220/285 vs. trying to do it for some misguided reasoning.......
  22. I would be surprised if Amos was a 197 lifer anyway. I see him more likely doing a Snyderesque transition and, depending on if/when he redshirts, 285 would be open to him right after 1 year at 197 with Hillger only having 2 years left when Amos first steps on campus.
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