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Everything posted by MSU158

  1. Wait...Did you just use a common sense argument literally citing an example of a PSU wrestler doing nearly the same thing? Mind blown!
  2. Trust me I HATE IT!!!! I would love a system that mandates more participation during the regular season. I WANT duals to matter. But, this sport decides team titles based on that last tournament as well as whether or not you are a Champion, Finalist and or an All American. Teams want to avoid injuries more than ever and Covid has really pushed that trend to its limits. I really think the days of 40+ matches are gone at the DI level and even 20+ matches are going to be few and far between. Sad, but true :(
  3. Because they weren't sure they were pulling his redshirt yet and that is OFTEN the case with true freshmen...
  4. Styles dictate that and some just don't lend themselves to it. David Taylor, Nolf, Metcalf, Brands, etc. were all exceptional wrestlers with a nonstop pace that scored in bunches. They literally wrestled EVERY second of the match, but that left them open to takedowns from time to time. But, it also meant those takedowns were almost always irrelevant. Meanwhile, you had a guy like Mack Lewnes that would spend half the match holding center and the rest with a guy on his legs, but his hips and thighs were so strong that he almost never was squared up on(until Borschel). Point being, it actually is a lot easier to hold position and play defense than it is to score in bunches at the DI level. Now that isn't to say that someone like Dake doesn't deserve immense credit for being able to dictate positions and control every match, but it is a lot easier to hone a style(as long as the refs don't call stalling) that isn't scored upon than it is one that scores a lot...
  5. You just aren't giving enough credit to the version of Lee in March. Because, lets be clear, March is really ALL that matters. I get knocking Lee for his offseason, to a degree, but even Dake lost in similar fashion his 1st 2 seasons. After that he dominated and after that, Lee has also. He has had less matches, with Covid causing that even more than any injuries, but Lee is 30-0 since, with 28 bonus wins and the 2 regular decisions were 7-0 and 8-1. Here is his actual performance at NCAA's: 2018: 18-0, 18-0, FALL(Nick Piccinini)i, FALL(NaTo) and 5-1(Suriano) 2019: 18-0, 10-1, FALL, 11-4(Nick Piccininni) and 5-0(Mueller) 2020: Didn't happen(Covid) 2021: 16-1, 15-5, 10-2, 11-0 and 7-0 You simply can't ignore that level of dominance while focusing almost solely on injury shortened regular seasons and overvaluing losses in his true freshman and true soph years. In fact, except for Bresser, he has crushed everyone else multiple times, beating Rivera (12-0 and 7-4), Piccininni(10-5, FALL, 11-4 and 12-3) and NATO(3-2 and FALL). Make no mistake, IF Lee wins NCAA's again in similar fashion, he ABSOLUTELY is an All Time Great. Now, I would have no issue if someone wants to still argue the other 4xers over him, but he would absolutely deserve to be in the conversation above EVERYONE else...
  6. To be clear, EVERYONE that wrestled attached had 2019 count against their eligibility. As an effort to soften that blow, the NCAA made 2020 a free year. So, that hurt guys like Pletcher, Lugo, Joseph, Hall and Moore who graduated in 2019 and didn't come back for that year, but it essentially gave the 2019 year back to everyone else. Now, any freshman that didn't wrestle in 2019, has the benefit of counting 2020 as year zero and that is why they have a chance at 5 years. So , Brooks only has 3 more chances since he wrestled in 2019, even though he was considered a freshman in 2020...
  7. But, couldn't it be argued we are at or near that state now? I mean we have Gable, Gwiz, Parris, Cass, Kerkvliet, Coon and Schultz. I would daresay our depth at HWT destroy every other country by a considerable margin!
  8. He is drunk and texting while on his motorcycle???
  9. Would need to meet bronze criteria. Don’t think that can happen being 0-2…..
  10. There isn’t a set answer unless you say what you are looking for. Do you want to be really close to the arena? Do you want to do some gambling? How long are you staying? Do you want a place that has restaurants/bars right inside? Are you willing to spend some money? With that said, if I stay downtown, I am partial to the Detroit Marriot, which is inside the Renaissance Center. Higher end with about as nice of a high rise view option of the city. Has all the amenities Inside and is pretty close to the arena. if not there, and you like casinos, I would recommend the MGM Grand Resort out of the 3 casinos. I like the food options better at Greektown Casino, but I am not sure I would stay there. Never been a big fan of Motor City, but they do have a solid poker room. After that, there are still a bunch of choices but the above are the only ones I feel experienced enough in to comment on.
  11. Nothing says you have to and no one should tell you different. Like I said, I am often a fan of kids from Michigan first, no matter what team they are on. In fact, it probably is easier to just be a fan of the wrestling and not getting bogged down in the my team is better than yours crap!
  12. Respect given. When you spent the time and the money, you have much more right to talk both ways. My issue is with people who chose to be fans of a certain school talking up the school they had no part of while blasting fans of another. Especially when that team is a powerhouse. it is real easy to choose to be a fan of the best team. It is a LOT harder to be way closer to a program that literally went from 3rd when I was there to scoring 1 point or less at NCAA’s…
  13. On here, by default, I am one of the biggest Iowa fans, that is true. My point is I am really not near the level of "homer". It's just that all the homers have basically left this site. Hell, Vak is probably the biggest of an Iowa fan on here and he is from Florida... As far as my Iowa "bias' goes, it really isn't that strong. If I had to say who I would cheer for first at each weight(excepting MSU wrestlers because they will always have 1st dibs), Iowa actually wouldn't have many, as my true "bias" goes homegrown MI wrestlers most of the time. Here it goes: 125-Schroder 133- DeSanto 141- Simon 149-Storr/Parker tied 157-I actually like a ton of guys here and they aren't from Iowa or MI. Would probably go Deakin, Teemer, Lee then Carr. 165-Marinelli, Valencia, Amine, and then Facundo will go near the top, even if he is PSU through and through. 174-Kemerer, Labriola and Plott 184-Amine, Hidlay, Keckeisen 197-Dean(although switching to PSU made it harder), Warner, Norfleet 285-Hillger, Stencel, Cass So, even though it would probably kill Iowa's chances at winning a title, I would cheer for these guys over their Iowa opponent...
  14. Certain things are so inaccurate they go past "chop busting". I put in more work than a vast majority when it comes to my own program. I think I earned the right to be a fan of another. Plus, I was really just trying to give him a hard time back by pushing the "did you actually go to that school" card. I get a kick out of riling up the most diehard of PSU fans on here because they come off like PSU can do no wrong. So, really, it isn't so much me "white knighting" for Iowa as I am "black knighting" on PSU! And I have admitted that several times. Also, we have a very specific name for the kind of fan I was referring to, since it is PREVALENT here in Michigan. It is the "Walmart" Wolverine. So, I was just pushing to see if he was a "Walmart" Nittany Lion!
  15. So, for clarity, if I am a "white knight" for Iowa what are you for PSU???
  16. Pin this for the perfect example of a "peanut gallery"...
  17. This is so comically untrue. If you go over to HR you would see I am barely even considered an Iowa fan at all. You guys just get upset more so because I don't slobber all over everything that PSU does and don't let many of you run all over Iowa in the process. Also, if you actually paid attention, I have repeatedly said I will always root for MSU first and foremost but, they will NEVER be truly relevant in the national scene. As such, I started to look elsewhere and that branching off actually started with VTech, because of Metcalf and Brands and then that followed them to Iowa. FInally, did you actually attend PSU? Because I didn't just choose to be an MSU fan. I went through the entire MSU process from the beginning, ie. school, practice, competition, travel, graduation, alumni help, donations and all of that while growing more sour with Minkel by the moment. Inevitably that lack of relationship along with the way he ran the program into the ground, along with the Athletic Department not caring as it happened inevitably caused me to look elsewhere for DI level enjoyment. So, when you call out my "dignity" you have NO F'ING CLUE" what you are talking about...
  18. I am not granting him ANY phantom wins. I simply pointed out that he HAS wins over the 3 wrestlers he would have had to beat to get to O'Toole. As far as your default argument goes, it is so ridiculous it falls flat on its face. In NO WORLD would a Head Coach have his wrestler default out of NCAA's to hope for a better ranking to start next season. The entire point is for him to get points in THAT tournament.
  19. But, it isn't fair or right to rank based on injured performances, let alone extrapolating how the wrestler would perform after those injuries. Even then, you have examples like Ed Ruth getting slaughtered by Amuch, but then wrecking Henrich and Lewnes after. Now, I am not saying you ignore losses, but every ranker is rightly going to weigh those losses based on contributing factors.
  20. Assuming you were replying to me, I didn't mean to equate them to wins, but simply not count them as losses. That is further bolstered by the very specific data points you clearly missed in your comparison. Marinelli was UNDEFEATED with wins against the 3 I named. Meanwhile there actually isn't any real data to say he would beat Griffith or Mekhi, because he had never wrestled either. That is quite a bit of a KEY difference, don't you think?
  21. But, you are assuming that Alex loses any of those matches if he didn't get hurt. Injuries play a big part in rankings and it is ONLY FAIR to not penalize a guy for taking that severe of an injury while losing an OT match to the eventual Champ. Also, let's not forget that Alex has a win over Wittlake(took 4th), the year prior and beat Smith(took 5th) and Amine(took 7th) at B1Gs less than 2 weeks prior. Looking at the brackets he would have needed to beat Amine then Smith then Wittlake to wrestle O'Toole for 3rd. You just don't have ANY data saying he loses those matches, while you have significant data saying he wins them...
  22. Although I actually agree with JH's reasoning on Marinelli being the #1, I actually want O"Toole to be the #1. The #1 seed has NOT been kind to Alex. I will happily jump on the O'Toole is #1 train! Also, Alex beat the 5th and 7th place finishers that season so they actually ARE comparable to wins over a significantly injured Valencia and Wittlake(whom he also has a win over from the year prior)...
  23. I was thoroughly impressed with Keckeisen at NCAA's last season. He wrestles so hard and for every second. As much as I like Hidlay, I didn't come away from that tournament positive that Hidlay was better. I know Brooks beat him then, but he will need to bring his A game every time against Parker. I hope that match happens.
  24. It’s pretty hard to do as well if you don’t win it again, but he was still REALLY good(25-3-his other 2 losses were to Garrett and he wrecked everyone else at NCAA’s), taking 3rd. He just ran into a buzzsaw in Nashon Garret, who had one of the most impressive single season I can remember. for reference: https://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/12037/brewer-cody/profile https://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/12070/garrett-nahshon/profile
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