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  1. This kid has ALWAYS been super talented. He was amazing in high school. He had a variety of attacks and wrestled a very wide open style. However, as good as he was I don't think his body was ready for DI wrestling when he started. He always appeared to be the weaker wrestle, but talent made up for it. Finally after taking a redshirt last year and filling into the weight he appears to have at least reduced his physical disadvantage. Basically it looked to me that he matured a little later than most and may now finally have the strength to go with the skillset.
  2. One big extra factor would be team camaraderie. When the 245lber isn't sitting in the stands right in front of you stuffing his face before the 2nd day weigh in it may bring the team just that much closer together.
  3. Who would it have excluded in recent memory? Its easy to tell when a guy is undersized, but who have some of our great full sized heavies been? That is impossible for me to answer. I really think 99% of the big guys, if knowing going in that 245 was the cutoff could easily stay lean and mean and hit 245. It's not like 285 is littered with 6'5" guys with gigantic frames. I am sure there are a few we would have lost, but I think the action potentially gained would trump that.
  4. My EXACT pt was that we would lose the EXACT same guys anyway. So we make the big guys try to stay lean, while we encourage the smaller 220s to transition to 245 vs making the brutal cut. I think the Cody Gardner types we have lost over the years may have flourished and not lost interest in the sport. These type of guys, in my opinion, would make up for the few big guys we lose who can't make 285. At the very least, I think 245 would create a lot more action as it would not be quite so terrifying to be caught underneath your competitor.
  5. Then why isn't this applied to Taylor by so many on this forum? It actually has been. A vast majority on this board compare him to Askren and Varner. That is pretty damn good company to be in when considering 4x finalists and 2x champs. This all based on Taylor winning it this year, which is about the lock of the tournament.
  6. I don't think the reduction would remove too many talented 285s. It also may create a TON more action. Several guys stuck making a brutal cut to 197 may be more inclined to go 245 and it really could boost fan interest. It is pretty obvious to any sports enthusiast that wrestling loses out at the 285 weight class to other marque sports, namely Football. Almost any athlete that big and strong is going to focus on a sport that is in the limelight and may end up paying them big money down the line. I doubt it would ever happen, but I think it could really be a boost to college wrestling.
  7. My issue isn't with Evans. My issue is with the ref. It was actually a very smart decision by Evans. If the ref isn't going to call stalling then keep doing it. It won him the match. I simply think it was BLATANT stalling as I also thought Gilman vs. Lambert was. If you never come close to breaking a guy down, you at the VERY LEAST should be up the body and somewhat off parallel. Evans won. My hat goes off to him. He beat Storley the only way I think he could. I think he is behind the other 5 at his weight on his feet. He manufactured a win, but I still would consider him an underdog against Howe, Perry, Brown, Kokesh and Storley.
  8. I really don't think it was a stall ride, and I know that's coming from a huge Evans homer so will be taken with a grain of salt. However, Storley is INSANELY active from the bottom, what else can Evans do but return him and try to flatten him out? It's not like he was just standing up and holding him. I was saving this for my second half analysis, but Storley from the bottom is among the best in college wrestling, very active. Sorry, but he dropped to the leg and ankle every time. By rule, that should warrant a stailmate and inevitably stalling. Believe me I like Evans as well. I like guys withe emotion. However, just because I am a fan does not mean I can ignore what I watched.
  9. I have to admit that with the fall of MSU I have adopted Iowa as my substitute. However, the types of rides I have seen out of some of the Iowa guys is hard to stomach. Evans may have won the match but what did he actually do to win?
  10. You are correct. The St. John major has been added. It is a bit difficult to be perfectly accurate with all matchups as PSUs archives do not have match by match results.
  11. This board is literally amazing. I give Taylor immense credit for being the most dominant against NOT elite wrestlers and get attacked from BOTH directions. One guy calls me ignorant because I distinguished the elite part, while another tells me how he can't be the most dominant due to other pinners. How do I respond to both? First let me define what I consider "ELITE". A four time AA or 2x finalist. The exception would be someone who really finds himself his senior year and lights it up. Taylor has not wrestled anyone that fits that description. Taylor is currently 121-3. Of his 121 wins 47 are by pin, 40 are by TF and 27 are by Major. Of his 124 matches he has won 114 by major or better. I am sorry but with the advances in training of today along with the amount of events and matches per year, this is simply unbelievable. His dominance is unreal. Yet, there is still the argument of his being the BEST against Elite. How anyone can get insulted by his not being called the BEST against Elite baffles me. Just because he isn't called the best doesn't make it an insult. If you get a 96% on a test it is still an A. However, if someone gets a 97% they did better than you. Same damn thing. So of Taylor's 10 matches that have not been major or better wins we have: Loss to Jenkins by pin Loss to Dake 2-1 Loss to Dake 5-4 Beat Dong 9-3 Beat St John 8-3 Beat St John 6-3 Beat Steve Fittery 7-1 Beat Hatchett 9-4 Beat Evans 9-4 Beat Polz 13-7 Of the above he also majored St John, tech falled Hatchet, majored Evans, and majored and pinned Polz. Of the above I would consider Dake, Jenkins, St John, and Fittery as elite. I would then add in Caldwell as elite. So his record against Elite is 6-3. I do not see how you can argue against my NOT calling him the most dominant wrestler against ELITE. Let alone call me ignorant.
  12. I wish Dardanes was able to wrestle in the Minn vs MSU dual. That would have been the 2nd shutout of the year. The more shutouts the better the chances their performance can't be ignored. I would rather see Brian Smith. He has proved he can do a ton with Missouri and as challenging as that program was when he took over he is the only one other than the huge Names who would never consider MSU who could turn this defunct program around. The other 2 would be solid but I think they would be walking into a minefield they couldn't get out of.
  13. Come on! HEADLOCK SHEPTOCK....HEADLOCK SHEPTOCK....HEADLOCK SHEPTOCK. It echoes throughout the Comcast Center so much better with so many empty seats. Too bad we don't get to hear, "Hear comes the ASPERATOR!" anymore.......
  14. The attitude you mention is not exclusive to wrestling. Think how fans rate Quarterbacks. No matter how amazing their career stats are and all the intangible things their coaches and teammates attribute to them, they are judged by how many Super Bowls they win. To me Peyton Manning is the BOAT by a LARGE margin. However, he ABSOLUTELY NEEDS another Super Bowl win for all the naysayers to back off. You also have a flipside with the likes of Doug Williams or a Trent Dilfer who get little credit since they were NOT known for being elite and hence were "game managers" who instead of winning for the team, they kept them from losing. We are a society where the END RESULT is ALL that matters. Very few people care how you got there. This is only excepted by apparent luck factors. Tim Tebow's 1 year run matches up well with your McKnight scenario. All the negative factors downplay the 1 big rising to the occasion. Remember, people in masses are fickle. Be your own type of fan. If Napoli places this year he won't be worried one bit if he gets enough credit from fans. You shouldn't feel like you need to worry about it either. As long as he is happy and you are happy for him there is NOTHING to worry about.
  15. This loss is more about match ups than anything else. Lehigh has a couple of holes(like nearly EVERY program does) at 165 and 184 and they were exploited there. Bolich with the FF cost them more points. Finally, Arguably 2 of their best 3 wrestler matched up against 2 of OSU's best 3 wrestlers and lost close decisions. The score looks lopsided but you take away the extra 6 total pts from a pin and a FF and reverse the 2 close matches and the dual is 17-16. Remember that OSU is a TOP 10 team and has 3 returning AA's. This loss doesn't mean the sky is falling on Lehigh's proverbial head.
  16. I like Miller. The kid is an OX. He just seems a bit hot and cold to me and I am not sure he has the offensive arsenal to quite reach the podium. Would not be surprised to see him make it. I am sorry, but Heflin is IMPOSSIBLE to watch. And I don't complain about lack of action like many others do. However, he looks like he simply does NOTHING until the last 30 seconds of EVERY match. Up 2 weights I just don't see him winning enough 1pt matches to AA. Plus, I like cheering for Ohio U. Thomusseit was simply my odd man out. I think the top 7, if healthy are a step above him, and I decided to pick Fausey as the possibly unseeded guy to sneak onto the podium. I do think Thomusseit is the 8th best guy at the weight.
  17. I like Miller. The kid is an OX. He just seems a bit hot and cold to me and I am not sure he has the offensive arsenal to quite reach the podium. Would not be surprised to see him make it. I am sorry, but Heflin is IMPOSSIBLE to watch. And I don't complain about lack of action like many others do. However, he looks like he simply does NOTHING until the last 30 seconds of EVERY match. Up 2 weights I just don't see him winning enough 1pt matches to AA. Plus, I like cheering for Ohio U. Thomusseit was simply my odd man out. I think the top 7, if healthy are a step above him, and I decided to pick Fausey as the possibly unseeded guy to sneak onto the podium. I do think Thomusseit is the 8th best guy at the weight.
  18. As far as Howe's college career goes, he has only had 1 injury hamper him. True Freshman-30-5 2nd place NCAA finish. Just got better and better as year went on. True Sophomore-37-0 1st place NCAA finish. Was the definitive best wrestler at 165. True Junior-27-3 3rd place NCAA finish. Was on a 51 match winning streak until losing to Burroughs 10-7. Tore his hamstring in dual against Illinois on Jan 16 losing to Polz by injury default. Pritzlaff was quoted as saying the injury was so severe it was season ending. Howe surprises all and comes back to wrestle B1G tournament and wins it. He then makes the semis and loses a multiple OT match to Caldwell. Takes an Olympic Redshirt-Beats Taylor, Caldwell and Paulson to win the Challenge bracket prior to the Championship match with Burroughs. Howe loses to Burroughs 2-4, 2-1, 0-1 while sustaining a major knee injury during the match. Defaults the 2nd match with Burroughs. Redshirts due to a host of reasons including injury and transferring from Wisconsin due to Pritzlaff leaving. Finds a home in Oklahoma. Does not wrestle the US Open as he was still recovering from injury. Makes the finals of the Challenge bracket losing an epic 7 day(slight exaggeration) OT match with Dake. He then has to wrestle a True 3rd place match with Taylor and loses by Tech. Redshirt senior- Currently 15-0. Has already beat the defending champ(Perry) 4-2, the defending finalist(Brown at ALL STAR CLASSIC) 4-3, and the defending 3rd place finisher (Kokesh) 3-2. Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts!
  19. It is amazing how so many on here cherry pick certain comments, turn them into slights and get upset. I was NOT slighting Stieber. He has had to wrestle two great wrestlers in his last 2 finals and found a way to beat them both. He has 2 monsters in his weight class this year in Port and Retherford. I was giving him the nod that no matter how well they wrestle he will find a way to win. And he WILL have to wrestle both unless the very unlikely happens and they get upset earlier on. Port has the 1 seed locked up if Stieber beats Retherford at B1G's making Stieber the 2 and Retherford the 3. If Retherford wins the B1G's and gets the 1 seed Port would have the 2 with Stieber at 3.
  20. Knee problems? He tore his hamstring! If you are, yet AGAIN, going to try to downplay an injury, AT THE VERY LEAST, know what the injury was. A VERY select few wrestlers even try to come back with his injury let alone take 3rd at a deep weight. You seem to always have an angle to deflect against injuries affect on wrestlers....... I really want to know, do you just look to argue for the sake of arguing or do you actually believe everything you post?????
  21. I would not be surprised if Kokesh beat Storley. However, did you know that is the first time Kokesh has beat Storley? Including high school he had lost to Storley a ton before that win. If you have not already watched it, look up Kokesh's post match interview after his winning the 3rd place last year. It was a great interview and it made me a Kokesh fan. I simply think Storley is still a tad bit better.
  22. What an ignorant post. But, what should you expect from someone who would use the name you have as their screen name? Taylor is THE most dominant wrestler there has EVER been against anyone NOT elite. There is NO debating that. However, you are deaf, dumb and blind if you do not realize how good Howe is. Howe wrestled as a true freshman, and he only has 1 non injury related loss to an all time great(Burroughs) since. His other 2 losses were the injury default to Polz, and the semifinal OT loss(WHILE STILL INJURED) at the NCAA tournament to Caldwell.You cherry pick their comparative losses but fail to realize that Taylor took losses to Sanderson and Jenkins his true freshman year and Sanderson only took 6th. Taylor would have taken several losses as a true freshman and regardless of bias I do not see how you could argue against that. The tech fall argument in Freestyle is garbage as well. The difference between that tech and a Folkstyle tech are so different they cannot even be compared. Howe tried a move that he wouldn't even try in Folkstyle and ended up in a position that wouldn't even matter in College. They are both great and there is a reason they are the last remaining undefeated returning champs. You come off as a hypocrite as you whine about people not giving Taylor his due as you immediately do the same to Howe.
  23. I doubt McClure will be the only qualifier for the Spartans. I'd be mildly surprised if Ryan Watts (157) didn't qualify, and very surprised if John Rizqallah didn't qualify. Watts hasn't wrestled in quite a while and after the beating rizgallah just took I am not sold on either qualifying.
  24. I like Realbuto, but he falls under my freshman rule and 157 has a lot of established talent. Nevinger could find the podium but I am not big on picking one trick ponies, especially when it is the top position. It is a great weapon to have and makes you very dangerous. However, more times than not you get exposed at nationals. Alan Waters being one of my prime examples of this. Yeah... as if Nevinger was exposed at the last two national championships. I am well aware of Nevinger's prior finishes. I simply think he needs a favorable draw to AA and with the depth at 141 this year along with coming off an injury I think his style will make it hard for him to AA again.
  25. I like Realbuto, but he falls under my freshman rule and 157 has a lot of established talent. Nevinger could find the podium but I am not big on picking one trick ponies, especially when it is the top position. It is a great weapon to have and makes you very dangerous. However, more times than not you get exposed at nationals. Alan Waters being one of my prime examples of this.
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