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    MSU158 got a reaction from Jaroslav Hasek in Who will win the team championship this year?   
    superold,
     
     
    The guys I named had MAJOR injuries.  Do some research.  It is NOT debatable.  It was a testament to their courage and abilities that they even wrestled their senior years.
     
     
    As far as Lewnes is concerned, I admit it is my OPINION.  I feel confident in that opinion, by the fact his performance at the NCAA tournament was SO out of his norm that the knee brace couldn't be ignored.
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    MSU158 got a reaction from Jaroslav Hasek in Who will win the team championship this year?   
    superold,
     
    I would put Stieber's over/under at 19 if I were booking it.  That is my HONEST prediction.  So that there is NO MISUNDERSTANDING, I think Hunter is talented enough to go on a roll and win 149 scoring a couple of pins or tfs with a major mixed in(would total 24-26pts).  I wouldn't predict it, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised by it.  Again, that is what very easily means to me.  I think he has the talent and wrestling style to score big points in the early rounds and wrestles an open enough style that another major mixed in later is very possible.
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    MSU158 got a reaction from Jaroslav Hasek in Who will win the team championship this year?   
    Let me put it this way,  If a baby is crying and continues to cry no matter what you do to stop it, does it win the debate if you go back to bed with it still crying?
     
    Analogy?
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    MSU158 got a reaction from Jaroslav Hasek in Who will win the team championship this year?   
    Lol, really I am the one missing the point?  I am the ONE who made the points.    As is often the case any debate with you is pointless.  You cherry pick minutiae and beat it to death, without acknowledging any points made counterintuitive to your own.  You laughingly tell EVERYONE you have ALWAYS got the better of them in EVERY debate.
     
     
    Let me make this clear for any FOUR YEAR OLD to understand.  I "BELIEVE" 3rd is the VERY best Gilman can do.  According to MYSELF, the one making the predictions(feel free to do them yourself), that is giving him the benefit of the doubt.  I also said I was more reserved with my tOSU predictions.  That was said AS A WHOLE.  I think Tomasello can go anywhere from 4th to R12.  Being reserved DOES NOT MEAN figuring the absolute worst outcome.  It simply means not predicting the best case scenario.......
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    MSU158 got a reaction from Jaroslav Hasek in Who will win the team championship this year?   
    The bare minimum a champ scores is 20.  I said I thought he could easily score 8-10 pts more than the 16 I predicted. Obviously, everyone cherry picked that and ONLY pointed out the top end range of that prediction.  With 5 matches to score bonus points, 2 pins and 1 major gets him 25 if he takes 1st.  Remember, for all that,  I PREDICTED 16 points, NOT 26.  My point was that I would not be the least bit surprised if he scored 24-26.  Hence, the very easily comment.
     
    For as hard as everyone is on predictions and EXACT numbers, feel free to do your own.  It isn't an exact science.  However, I do enough research that I am willing to put mine up against anyone who posts on here.
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    MSU158 got a reaction from Jaroslav Hasek in Who will win the team championship this year?   
    superold,
     
    Predictions take data and use that to make a best guess.  Could Tomasello not place?  Absolutely.  Hell, even Greg Jones missed the podium one year.  Still, would anyone realistically predict that?
     
     
    Why would I predict Gilman to win the whole thing?  A returning 2x champ and the returning runner-up(also has a 3rd place finish at 125) are at that same weight.  Clark beat Delgado as well.  He took 5th.
     
    Bo Jordan was known to have VERY LITTLE freestyle experience to even the casual fan.  Also, considering what Miller did at that tournament I wouldn't knock Bo Jo.  He did lose to Taffur, but he was winning 7-4 prior to the pin and was caught in a position I don't think you see in Folkstyle.  If anything, his taking 4th at that tournament, with such a small freestyle resume, shows how good he is.
     
    Yet again, this is a case of you being intentionally obtuse.
     
     
    Instead of you cherrypicking responses, which is why you are called a troll, take my bets.  It doesn't have to be for money.
     
    See the following:
     
    Snyder over/under 15pts at the NCAA tournament.   You take the under.  
    Tomasello places 6th or better.                                   You take him placing 7th or worse
    Gilman places 3rd.                                                       You take better than 3rd.  I will give you odds on this bet since you think it is possible and I don't.
    BoJo places 6th or better.                                            See Tomasello
    Hunter Stieber I will offer odds on him not placing vs him scoring 25+ pts
     
    Feel free to add any additional predictions you have an issue with and I am more than  willing to put my money(or some other betting form) where my mouth is.  Instead of preaching from your insulated perch, come on down and establish yourself in the world of actually having to back up the gibberish you spew on a daily basis.
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    MSU158 got a reaction from grappler6 in Who will win the team championship this year?   
    Your "abstract" responses are the "exact" reason you are called a troll...........
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    MSU158 got a reaction from JasonBryant in Who will win the team championship this year?   
    Your "abstract" responses are the "exact" reason you are called a troll...........
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    MSU158 got a reaction from jtothep in Who will win the team championship this year?   
    When predicting NCAA finishes I try to simply look at point scoring potential.  tOSU, clearly has the most.  The Stiebers will score 40+(I actually think 50 is more likely).  Snyder and BoJo should score 25 together and have 40 pt potential.  I know they are freshman but they really are that good.  DiJulius is top 8 at his weight, and with 133 clearing out he should score about 10 or so.  Tomasello had a great redshirt season, looked great in freestyle and showed he is right with Gilman.  Top 5 is likely and he should contribute 10+.  Courts is another fringe AA guy, who with Ruth and Sheptock leaving can contend with anyone at 184.  He should hit the podium or R12 and 5 points is a pretty low expectation.  So far that is a Low end scoring of 90 with Demas, Martin and Tavanello still able to contribute.  Between the 3, even without an AA, 10 pts total is not a high expectation. 
     
    125: Tomasello 5th/6th 10 pts is actually kind of low for this finish.
    133:  Dijulius   see above
    141: L. Stieber  1st place  25 pts is the absolute lowest (barring injury) that he will score
    149:  H. Stieber 4th place 15 pts is the absolute lowest I can see.
    157:  Demas  2-2 R 12  3 pts is pretty low
    165:  Bo Jordan  see 125 and 133
    174:  See 157
    184:  I think this is his year.  He will feed off the overall team talent and the possibility of all 10 qualifying.  I think is really low for him.
    197:  Snyder  Does anyone really doubt how good this kid is? 15 pts is bare minimum See 149:
    285:  This is the least predictable and they had a R12 here last year.  3 pts is low with higher potential likely.
     
    What team realistically matches up?  Iowa and Minnesota are the closest but they still don't have the low end potential that I see with tOSU above.
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    MSU158 got a reaction from grappler6 in Will Jason Tsirtsis repeat this year?   
    Hunter's collapses?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
     
    He took 6th as a true freshman as the 5th seed.  He lost to 2x champ Kellan Russell in the semis, 3x AA and 1x Finalist Novachkov in the consi semis and went 1-1 with 4 seed Mangrum(1xAA and 3x R12), losing in the 5th/6th match.
     
    He took 3rd as a true sophomore losing 7-6 in the semis to Mitchell Port(one of the biggest reasons you fully expect Edinboro to win the title this year!).
     
     
    If the above are collapses what would you consider a minor letdown?.........................
     
     
     
    Also, who has questioned Hunter's heart?  Can you give direct quotes?  Are the sources reputable?  How many times have you watched Stieber wrestle?  What color is his hair?  How old is he?  Is he related to Logan Stieber?  Should how he wrestled at 141 correlate to how he will wrestle at 149?
     
    Please quote each question individually and write a paragraph or 2 for each asking several questions in return............
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    MSU158 got a reaction from grappler6 in What Coach Has The Most Pressure To Win A Title This Upcoming Season   
    May I answer all of your questions with a question?
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    MSU158 got a reaction from MA_Wrestler in 2014-15 X Factors By Weight   
    superold,
     
    Directly engaging you is nonsensical.  For the sake of most, especially Mr. Hasek,  I will refrain from such a practice in futility.
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    MSU158 got a reaction from Jaroslav Hasek in Expectations of all D1 programs   
    Without a doubt the best Sci Fi movie of all time!
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    MSU158 reacted to GranbyTroll in Reminder: Team Component Proposal vote is TOMORROW!   
    How about we try to grow the sport instead of settling for 15k fans once a year.
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    MSU158 got a reaction from CoachWrestling in Marstellar will be at 157   
    Ness also placed 2nd and 4th his first 2 years while Jaggers went DNP(Qualified but Did not participate due to injury), and 7th.  My point wasn't to compare finishes.  It was to point out how they elevated themselves on the Big Stage.  They would both have headscratchers during the season but were fully on their game in March.
     
    Also, Jaggers only had 1 until he used his last year to get 2.  If Ness makes the finals, let alone wins it, I would think it was safe to say he was at his best in March........
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    MSU158 got a reaction from CoachWrestling in Marstellar will be at 157   
    Ness reminds me, in many ways, of J. Jaggers.  They never looked completely healthy during the regular season and often looked disinterested.  However, when March arrived they were both at their best.  Simply put, I wouldn't bet on either during the regular season, but I would put some big money down on them in the last tournament in March.
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    MSU158 got a reaction from Jaroslav Hasek in Marstellar will be at 157   
    Ness reminds me, in many ways, of J. Jaggers.  They never looked completely healthy during the regular season and often looked disinterested.  However, when March arrived they were both at their best.  Simply put, I wouldn't bet on either during the regular season, but I would put some big money down on them in the last tournament in March.
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    MSU158 got a reaction from shopping in Marstellar will be at 157   
    Ness reminds me, in many ways, of J. Jaggers.  They never looked completely healthy during the regular season and often looked disinterested.  However, when March arrived they were both at their best.  Simply put, I wouldn't bet on either during the regular season, but I would put some big money down on them in the last tournament in March.
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    MSU158 got a reaction from smittyfan in Should our Scholastic wrestling change from Folkstyle to Freestyle?   
    Nothing breaks an opponent more than getting ridden for a whole period.  Does the Dake/Molinaro match ring a bell?  I am no fan of intentional stall rides on top and am all for stringent stall calls when necessary.  I just do not think you have to score points for wrestling to be exciting.
     
      I watch wrestling for exactly what I think it is.  Competition.  Strategy.  Strength of Will.  Imposing that will.  Wrestler A goes out and does his best to make Wrestler B wrestle his way.  Wrestler B does the same.  To me Folkstyle adds so many different factors to the strategy.  In Freestyle if I am better than you on my feet I will almost always beat you.  PERIOD.  That is NOT so in Folkstyle. 
     
    I have watched and read so many debates on why Folkstyle is boring to many.  I guess I am more of a purist.  I don't need to see tons of takedowns and points on the board to be entertained.  To me wrestling is as much about controlling your opponent as it is outscoring them.
     
    Since most posters on here wrestled, and many at the College level, I would like to pose a question.  Did you feel more beaten losing 3-2 on a close takedown where both you and your opponent easily escaped, or losing 2-0 where your opponent rode you the entire period and escaped?
     
    As far as I was concerned, the latter destroyed me.  I did NOT like being ridden, not one bit.  If I could have translated the tenacity I wrestled with on bottom to my neutral wrestling I may have actually been something.  I know I show a bias, but the combination of all 3 aspects of Folkstyle wrestling is what makes it fun for me to watch.
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    MSU158 got a reaction from smittyfan in Should our Scholastic wrestling change from Folkstyle to Freestyle?   
    Actually you get a point for riding time over 1 minute, so your pun is pointless. :)
     
    I understand that you, as a fan, may find it boring to watch mat wrestling when no points are scored.  I, on the other hand, respect the level of skill it takes to ride someone at that level.  One of the biggest things that separate the DI wrestlers(even college level as a whole) is how hard it is for even multiple high school state champs to come out of high school and not get ridden like a mule by the 3rd string Upperclassmen in the room. 
     
    Folkstyle mat wrestling may be boring to quite a few fans but the skill involved impresses me.  I don't care if you are holding onto an ankle or trying to force them out of bounds, it is VERY, VERY, VERY hard to ride someone at that level.  Watching that battle is a TON more exciting to me than watching the belly flop that happens immediately after a TD in Freestyle.
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    MSU158 got a reaction from smittyfan in Should our Scholastic wrestling change from Folkstyle to Freestyle?   
    After every World Championship many people question the way we train for the World Championships.  One of the biggest arguments I often hear is we train for Folkstyle too long and are not able to properly transition to Freestyle.  I do not disagree with this statement, however, I do not want to lose Folkstyle to "possibly" get better at the Senior International level. 
     
    I know, we as Americans, get labeled as stubborn for having to do things differently, but I truly believe Folkstyle is BETTER.  I find it more entertaining and I truly believe Folkstyle mat wrestling is a better way to measure COMPLETE wrestling ability.  The ability to hold someone down no matter how hard they try to get away impresses me.  On the other side, being able to get away from anyone no matter how well they ride equally impresses me.  Watching somebody belly down to avoid being rolled does NOT impress me.  Watching someone catch a trapped arm gut off a takedown and inevitably teching someone does NOT impress me.
     
    I guess what I am trying to say is, I don't want to sacrifice my favorite wrestling style to conform to an International Style that changes so often(we also have NO say so in the changes) and isn't even a guarantee to be an Olympic sport 20 years from now........
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    MSU158 got a reaction from sbdude in Should our Scholastic wrestling change from Folkstyle to Freestyle?   
    I hate to admit it, but it definitely seems I am in the minority concerning Folkstyle's current mat wrestling configuration. 
     
     
    Remember one thing, it is very hard to turn someone at the DI level.  Wrestlers like Stieber, Taylor and Ruth make it look WAAAAAYYY easier than it actually is.  Most DI wrestlers are really trying to turn someone while they are riding, they simply have a harder time breaking their opponent down and getting them to the point where it actually LOOKS like they are trying to turn.........
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    MSU158 got a reaction from sbdude in Should our Scholastic wrestling change from Folkstyle to Freestyle?   
    Nothing breaks an opponent more than getting ridden for a whole period.  Does the Dake/Molinaro match ring a bell?  I am no fan of intentional stall rides on top and am all for stringent stall calls when necessary.  I just do not think you have to score points for wrestling to be exciting.
     
      I watch wrestling for exactly what I think it is.  Competition.  Strategy.  Strength of Will.  Imposing that will.  Wrestler A goes out and does his best to make Wrestler B wrestle his way.  Wrestler B does the same.  To me Folkstyle adds so many different factors to the strategy.  In Freestyle if I am better than you on my feet I will almost always beat you.  PERIOD.  That is NOT so in Folkstyle. 
     
    I have watched and read so many debates on why Folkstyle is boring to many.  I guess I am more of a purist.  I don't need to see tons of takedowns and points on the board to be entertained.  To me wrestling is as much about controlling your opponent as it is outscoring them.
     
    Since most posters on here wrestled, and many at the College level, I would like to pose a question.  Did you feel more beaten losing 3-2 on a close takedown where both you and your opponent easily escaped, or losing 2-0 where your opponent rode you the entire period and escaped?
     
    As far as I was concerned, the latter destroyed me.  I did NOT like being ridden, not one bit.  If I could have translated the tenacity I wrestled with on bottom to my neutral wrestling I may have actually been something.  I know I show a bias, but the combination of all 3 aspects of Folkstyle wrestling is what makes it fun for me to watch.
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    MSU158 got a reaction from sbdude in Should our Scholastic wrestling change from Folkstyle to Freestyle?   
    Actually you get a point for riding time over 1 minute, so your pun is pointless. :)
     
    I understand that you, as a fan, may find it boring to watch mat wrestling when no points are scored.  I, on the other hand, respect the level of skill it takes to ride someone at that level.  One of the biggest things that separate the DI wrestlers(even college level as a whole) is how hard it is for even multiple high school state champs to come out of high school and not get ridden like a mule by the 3rd string Upperclassmen in the room. 
     
    Folkstyle mat wrestling may be boring to quite a few fans but the skill involved impresses me.  I don't care if you are holding onto an ankle or trying to force them out of bounds, it is VERY, VERY, VERY hard to ride someone at that level.  Watching that battle is a TON more exciting to me than watching the belly flop that happens immediately after a TD in Freestyle.
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    MSU158 got a reaction from sbdude in Should our Scholastic wrestling change from Folkstyle to Freestyle?   
    After every World Championship many people question the way we train for the World Championships.  One of the biggest arguments I often hear is we train for Folkstyle too long and are not able to properly transition to Freestyle.  I do not disagree with this statement, however, I do not want to lose Folkstyle to "possibly" get better at the Senior International level. 
     
    I know, we as Americans, get labeled as stubborn for having to do things differently, but I truly believe Folkstyle is BETTER.  I find it more entertaining and I truly believe Folkstyle mat wrestling is a better way to measure COMPLETE wrestling ability.  The ability to hold someone down no matter how hard they try to get away impresses me.  On the other side, being able to get away from anyone no matter how well they ride equally impresses me.  Watching somebody belly down to avoid being rolled does NOT impress me.  Watching someone catch a trapped arm gut off a takedown and inevitably teching someone does NOT impress me.
     
    I guess what I am trying to say is, I don't want to sacrifice my favorite wrestling style to conform to an International Style that changes so often(we also have NO say so in the changes) and isn't even a guarantee to be an Olympic sport 20 years from now........
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