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Everything posted by maligned

  1. Doesn't show it directly in that link..but, yeah, Micic, Fix/Gilman nemesis Yatsenko a couple times, Vangelov easily, and others just in the past couple seasons
  2. Yeah, it seemed Parris was on a better trajectory there for a few whiles, but his athleticism seems to have hit its ceiling and now his technical ability is a significant inhibitor. I'd still love to see him bang at a worlds because his work rate and athleticism would cause troublesome moments for even the best guys--but he definitely hasn't stayed on the Gable/Zare growth path.
  3. I clearly excluded Gable as inaccessible to him. I'm not a particularly big Gwiz fan, but he's beaten everybody not named Gable or Parris 92-0 in the last 2 years--and he's +20 in score from 4 matches against Parris, who many thought would have been a Rio medal contender. He didn't used to dominate the domestic competition like that. Again, he's not the highest echelon guy, I was just making the point that I'm not sure he's dropped off. He'll keep being a sometimes top 5, never gold-level guy. (By the way, if you're using getting upset by Deng or Baran as your "bad" barometer, most heavyweights in the world are bad. Those 2 come close against everyone and occasionally get upsets against the non Geno, Taha crowd.)
  4. I don't know if Gwiz's best years are behind him (he's been more dominant domestically than any time in his career recently)--he just has a clear talent ceiling that prevents him from beating Geno, Zare, Gable.
  5. Not much faith in your guy. He keeps getting better at 86. Do you know something we don't?
  6. Agree. At a full-strength worlds, with the way he's wrestled the last year, he's more likely to medal than Fix, Green, and possibly Yianni
  7. I understood. That's why I showed mathematically how Snyder is still way more likely to win gold even being a clear underdog in one match compared to guys who are moderate favorites in five.
  8. I think people aren't realizing how tough the probability is of stringing 4 or 5 relatively favorable events together. Even if you think Yianni and Green are 55-75% favorites for each of 5 matches (which is being very generous), they've only got a 10% shot at gold (9-1 odds). If Snyder is 95% to beat each other opponent and 25% vs Sad, he's got about a 20% shot at gold (4-1 odds) even without the very real possibility Sad no-shows or comes in way out of shape.
  9. I think in both their cases, they've kept improving and have taken care of their bodies like pro athletes. I do think in Taylor's case it took a couple years to fully acclimate to the bigger weight, which clearly fits his frame so much better than 74 did. Also, does Yaz appear much above average strength-wise at 86? He's very physical and punishing with his style, and he maintains fantastic dominant positioning; but I'm not sure how his raw strength is in a pound-for-pound wrestling sense. Do others think he looks physically imposing for an 86? I think he's just good and knows how to move people
  10. I can't tell if you're being serious. No one in their right mind thinks he's 52. I was making an obvious extreme exaggeration to highlight the absurdity of a 39 year old guy competing at that level.
  11. I was making light of how absurd it is that he's that old and competing at such a high level.
  12. There's plenty of empirical evidence showing its advantages in strength and endurance sports in the moment over someone not using it. What makes it feel less like cheating is that it's not building your long-term work capacity in some way. I can't get on board with people feeling like.."take away a year and let's get on with it." There's just way too much research showing the long-lasting impact on ease of regaining and adding muscle from having activated muscle proteins previously during PED dosing. Just ask Justin Gatlin, who almost made the Olympics in the 100m at age 52. I definitely support a full cycle penalty every time.
  13. He was talking about Russia, who had 3 golds and 5 medals from 6 weights and routinely wins worlds easily with or without their top lineup.
  14. The cut wasn't it. He lost the 50/50 positions to a bigger, more powerful guy with equal skills. He looked 15lbs smaller and got big-brothered any time it got interesting
  15. Is Destribats entered though?
  16. The issue I have is people aren't gracious in letting others know the original meaning that has gotten lost over time so that someone can be educated. If I'm inflicting pain on someone, I want to know about it so I can stop. But people aren't automatically idiots for not realizing that "calling a spade a spade" or "hoodwinked" or "uppity" started out with dehumanizing meanings. When I do realize it, I stop using them. But give folks a chance to succeed.
  17. There was only one actual gold match in the 12 men's weight classes (2 if you count Mongolia wrestling one period vs. Takahashi). But teams know how it works and realize that backfilling is a real thing with Covid dropouts from national teams and missed drug tests on the way--that's why 77% of the bronze contestants showed up and only 1 of 24 matches had a double forfeit (Takahashi's bracket, where Japan obviously won't drop out of the Olympics).
  18. A couple observations of the above data: 1. We're really lucky to be in the Pan Am region. Africa is weaker than ours, but you can see clearly how much the two genuine wrestling nations (Cuba and us) benefit from our regional placement. With that said, we would get even more through in Africa/Oceania and almost as many as we do now in Asia. Europe is really the region that crushes advancement numbers. 2. We weren't alone in struggling to qualify people through the last-chance event. Only 12 of a possible 83 empty lineup spots (14%) got filled by this list of Top 10 (11) teams in Bulgaria--and that includes Russia qualifying 4 out of an available 5.
  19. One more. We had 14 last time with the 65kg inclusion late-on. I'm including drug issues and North Korea dropout replacements in the above lists too.
  20. Each top ten nation BY QUALIFYING EVENT (2019 worlds - continental qualifier - last chance) and percent of possible remaining spots earned at each stop (e.g. Russia 9 of 18 at worlds, 4 of 9 remaining at euros, 4 of 5 remaining at last chance): Russia 17 (9-4-4) (50%, 44%, 80%) United States 15 (4-11-0) (22%, 79%, 0%) Cuba 12 (2-10-0) (11%, 72%, 0%) Japan 12 (8-2-2) (44%, 20%, 25%) China 11 (5-6-0) (28%, 46%, 0%) Iran 11 (6-5-0) (33%, 42%, 0%) Kazakhstan 11 (8-3-0) (44%, 30%, 0%) Tunisia 10 (0-10-0) (0%, 56%, 0%) Ukraine 10 (5-2-3) (28%, 15%, 27%) Turkey 9 (4-4-1) (22%, 28%, 10%) Mongolia 9 (2-5-2) (11%, 31%, 18%)
  21. Each Top 10 nation by style (freestyle-greco-women's): Russia 17 (6-5-6) United States 15 (5-4-6) Cuba 12 (3-6-3) Japan 12 (4-2-6) China 11 (3-2-6) Iran 11 (6-5-0) Kazakhstan 11 (5-3-3) Tunisia 10 (2-4-4) Ukraine 10 (2-3-5) Turkey 9 (4-3-2) Mongolia 9 (3-0-6)
  22. Zare is definitely in that group. We're all including Gable because he's ascended to a level domestically the last year that far exceeds anything we've seen from any American heavyweight in many years. He smashed Parris 3 times recently and just handed Gwiz two of the worst losses of his career--and he's doing it with stunning takedowns that look like practice takedowns with no resistance. (And Gwiz has looked like medal-winning Gwiz, not out-of-shape Gwiz, recently in all other matches)
  23. Freestyle: Russia, Iran 6 Kazakhstan, United States 5 Japan, Turkey, Uzbekistan, Algeria, Belarus, India 4 Azerbaijan, China, Cuba, Georgia, Mongolia 3 Greco: Cuba 6 Russia, Iran 5 Algeria, Armenia, Egypt, Georgia, Germany, Hungary, Kyrgyzstan, Tunisia, United States, Uzbekistan 4 Ukraine, Serbia, Kazakhstan 3 Women's: China, Japan, Mongolia, Russia, United States 6 Ukraine 5 Bulgaria, India, Nigeria, Tunisia 4 Belarus, Cuba, Kyrgyzstan, Sweden 3 Overall: Russia 17 United States 15 Cuba, Japan 12 China, Iran, Kazakhstan 11 Tunisia, Ukraine 10 Turkey, Mongolia 9
  24. The Finn beats Georgiev of Bulgaria in somewhat of an upset in the other quarter in Coon's bracket, so that's who he'll have with a win. I would have leaned toward Ramonov or Kuchmii beating Coon, but he looked stout in round 1 and I'm starting to like his chances overall much more.
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