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  1. McCauley has had every option imaginable. He's very talented but seems to be the polar opposite of Pico when it comes to focus. I will never understand why he chose to go to Nebraska and try to take Sueflohn's spot rather than go somewhere with an opening. Sueflohn is not flashy but he is extremely tough and difficult to wrestle, and possibly the hardest working kid in that room. I don't have anything against McCauley but he seems to have difficulty deciding what he really wants to do with his talent since high school. Right now Pico seems to have a very clear idea of what he wants to do.
  2. Just Gizoni him. Is easy! Ruth locks up a high percentage, if not a majority, of his cradles in the neutral position. His length, leverage, strength and quickness enable him to utilize the cradle in situations where most others can't or don't (such as when his opponent is defending a single leg). The guy is just extremely dangerous. Sure, the Gizoni is a potential weapon against him. It's a potential weapon against anyone. But it's not going to solve Ed Ruth. You have to beat him in neutral and ride him, like Dean did.
  3. Cael Sanderson was a high school quarterback. Tim Hartung played QB and was actually a legit college prospect at the position.
  4. Not necessarily. I've seen a lot of college athletes leave school entirely over injuries and other issues. Hell, a lot of guys wrestle all five years and never receive their degree. Also, a lot of times if you can't play, there's no schollie. Many college athletes (not necessarily Pico) are completely incapable of finishing school financially and academically without the resources provided by the athletic department.
  5. If he gets hurt he goes to school/works a regular job/collects disability/dies like anyone else - precisely the same thing he'd do if he got hurt wrestling in college.
  6. Sponsorships, training resources.
  7. None, but you can always go to college, if that's your thing. Schools are always going to be there to take your money. How many high school teachers make "set for life" money? How many physical therapists and athletic trainers make "set for life" money? Look at college wrestlers - you're going to see the majority of them majoring in secondary education and fields like kinesiology. They're not going to make set for life money and in some states will have difficulty making a living wage. Everyone always seems to assume that a kid who goes to college is going to emerge as the CEO of Goldman Sachs, a brain surgeon, etc. The fact is that, like most non-college graduates, most college graduates work dead-end jobs for life. The average job may pay a bit more but they are still just dead-end jobs. In fact, many college grads right now can't even get those. The only argument that Pico should worry about college now is that seeing high school through and wrestling in college will actually help Pico's wrestling, while jumping straight into freestyle-only will harm it. That's a legitimate viewpoint. Some guys, like Cejudo, have had success doing this, while others have had less so. There's something to be said for being in certain college rooms every day for four or five years. But Pico is not missing anything academically by foregoing college now. If he has academic chops or is really motivated to go to school, he can always go back. If he doesn't or isn't, then he's probably better off, or just as well of, doing his thing and passing up college.
  8. Listen Pal, It is just my opinion. Dake, P Smith, Ruth, M schultz do NOT belong on the same tier as Gable, Sanderson or Hodge but they belong in the argument sure-I just don't think they are GOAT finalists. 4 titles does not automatically get you in the GOAT conversation. Dake and P smith had 5 or 6 loses. What Gable did with two titles with dominance for three years going 118-1 is a greater feat, in my opinion. The only way to top the GOAT ie Sanderson is to be dominant all 4 years and start as a true freshmen. Almost impossible. Sanderson's feat was amazing and he even had three world medalist to go against in Eggum, Cormier and Vering. No one competing the last 10 years is worthy to be in the GOAT conversation-alright maybe Dake but he had 6 loses and a lot of 1 point wins. Again, my opinion. Dake's record was 137-4. Get your facts out of here. This is TheMat.com college wrestling forum. Opinions, approximations and hyperbole only.
  9. grapplefan, I don't think you're an idiot, but I don't understand your position at all. Why would a kid with this level of talent and such a concrete grasp on his goals want to spend the next two years with average high school kids when he could be traveling the world following his passion? Sure, there's risk involved, but that's the same with every decision one makes. Pico would be taking a similar risk by going the traditional route. I'm an average talentless dumb bastard who worked his ass off for two degrees. I'm a partner in my business and have had some decent years over the past several years notwithstanding the economic mess. I have a very decent life but there's absolutely nothing in my life that would have been ultimately impacted by making a decision like Pico is making had I the talent (assuming no traumatic brain injury or other serious issue). Most of my former college teammates, who typically did quite well in school, are high school and junior high teachers, and the one who has pursued wrestling at a world level lives in poverty. I just can't see what Pico is giving up here.
  10. No, it doesn't. Pico is pursuing an Olympic gold medal by age 19. Or an Olympic championship. More to life than sports. Sure, but he's not foreclosing any real academic, or any other, opportunities by following his unique talents. Doing this could open huge opportunities to him, and he can always go back to school.
  11. That assumes that pursuing world greatness = pursuit of MMA championship. And you think we're idiots? No, it doesn't. Pico is pursuing an Olympic gold medal by age 19.
  12. I never have really had a hero. So . . . no. Interesting question, though.
  13. until they start getting paid, theyre still college kids earning a degree, wrestling for the love of the sport. this isnt about coddling wrestling or participation trophies or moral victories or whatever else people are trying to make it about, its about the fans showing these college student athletes the respect they deserve. trash the over paid pro athletes if thats your thing. yes minnesota is tanking. you can make that point a million different ways without the cheap insults. its poor form and as fans we should be better than that, especially since we expect so much from the wrestlers. Many of them do get paid, but that's beside the point. I'm not trying to be rude, but is English your native language? Because "folding like a cheap tent" is about the most innocuous cliche (it's hardly an analogy) to sum up Minny's pukefest I can think of. I mean, it's not saying anything at all other that the obvious - Minny had a horrible semi's and wrestlebacks. I really am not sure what you think the phrase means. Anyway, I think you should forward your concerns to J and the Minny coaching staff immediately. I know J well enough to know he's capable of some pretty scathing "analogies."
  14. Rossell defending Minnesota, now I've seen it all :lol: BTW, where did I bash any wrestlers or coaches?? I actually don't do that, but there are plenty on this site that do but you guys are no where to be found taking the moral stance in those threads. In the end, this has been a disaster round for the Gophers and I think their coaches, wrestlers and fans would agree with my analogy more then anything. ----- FT, I'm not sure why my "defending" Minnesota is so surprising to you. I'll defend any team/wrestler or coach that gets trashed unfairly. It just so happens that with Iowa, well, it occupies a lot of my posts. I simply didn't agree with your painting the whole Minnesota team as some kind of cheap tent folding. And with Dardanes, Schiller and Nelson all moving to finals and Minny in 2nd place, well, the evidence speaks for itself. "Folding like a cheap tent," a common and rather milquetoast sports cliche, ignites war on wrestling board due to rampant disagreement about the aptness of the analogy to the situation it was intended to describe. This whole discussion is hilarious. Minnesota was in position to possibly win this thing, but had an absolutely horrible semi-finals and wrestlebacks. Given where Minnesota started, being in second place (without any hope of winning) is not a moral victory, it's an absolute DISASTER.
  15. Rossell defending Minnesota, now I've seen it all :lol: BTW, where did I bash any wrestlers or coaches?? I actually don't do that, but there are plenty on this site that do but you guys are no where to be found taking the moral stance in those threads. In the end, this has been a disaster round for the Gophers and I think their coaches, wrestlers and fans would agree with my analogy more then anything. i would also agree with the notion that it has been a disastrous semis for Minny. i would not agree that your "analogy" does not bash the Minnesota wrestlers as it implies that they were not fighting hard (not to mention short changing their opponents). i probably woulnt think twice if you were just bashing a program or a coach but to me your calling out the toughness of the wrestlers. so i guess i am just super sensitive about that stuff. its not personal, i am equally annoyed when someone was calling out PSU's or anyone else's wrestlers. so whatever, didnt mean to make a federal case out of it but too late, i guess. This isn't a kids tournament. This is the biggest college tournament outside of D1 nationals, and Minnesota is one of the best college wrestling teams in the nation. It is composed of wrestlers who have placed and won at all kinds of state, national, and even international wrestling tournaments. Everyone on that team is obviously tough, or they wouldn't be there. Once one gets to this point, being tough is a given. Fighting hard is or should be a given. Most of the sport's moral victories have been won - actual victories are the goal. To point out that Minnesota is collectively tanking is just pointing out a fact, not attacking anyone's toughness.
  16. Minotti did everything possible to lose that match and Grajales still gassed himself to the loss. Classic.
  17. Partly because they're not Americans.
  18. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-per-view Some information there, although I'm not vouching for accuracy of all the numbers. UFC and boxing are both selling well on PPV. There's room for both sports, at least currently. MMA probably has supplanted boxing amongst casual fans, but there are a LOT of hardcore boxing fans out there and they buy PPV fights. Also, boxing is a religion in Mexico and that is a huge market that will provide great PPV buys for popular Mexican fighters for years to come. Some people think that Argentina is going to become a similar market.
  19. I don't know if you mean elite level boxers, but Andre Ward would maul Johny in a boxing match.
  20. Because there is competition between boxing promoters and sanctioning organizations, there is still significantly more money even in the mid-levels of professional boxing than there is in the highest tiers of MMA. A boxer will be paid more for a mid-level undercard fight on PPV than Weidman was paid last night, and there is no potential for the multimillion dollar single-fight paydays that exist in boxing. Guys fighting out of the UFC monopoly make peanuts. No quality boxer would ever consider doing MMA for the money in the present market. I'm not certain the concussive injury problem really matters. People knew boxing could make you punchy 100 years ago. It's no secret. Unlike the NFL, boxing doesn't have a union that will make b.s. claims about patently obvious potential for injuries. Boxing is like cigarettes - everyone knows it can hurt or kill them, and a certain percentage of the population won't ever care. On the other hand, MMA is a young sport where, in my opinion, the risks of concussive injury have been understated due to comparisons to boxing. I think within 10 years the data will show that MMA poses significant concussive injury problems. Not on the level of boxing, but significant. No doubt the way wrestlers train and their skill set is much more conducive to making a crossover to MMA than the boxing training and skillset.
  21. This McDonough crap is so transparent. It's beyond argument that a shoulder injury can make a great wrestler look very average - see Nickerson, Q. Wright, the Altons, on and on. But apparently the Iowa bashers can't cut McDonough any slack. His injury, which required surgery, simply played a secondary role to whatever the know-it-alls want to throw out there. Why the difference in the way McD is treated as oppossed to Nickerson for example? I agree that this is just Iowa hate, but Nickerson took a lot of crap on these boards, too. And Nickerson's injury was patent and plagued him for a significant portion of his career - and he won the NCAA's with a shoulder that dislocated during his championship match. Nickerson might be the worst wrestler you could point to in order to convince people to cut McD some slack. Yes but the KEY difference between McDonough and Nickerson was that McDonough wasn't remotely the technical wrestler that Nickerson was. Nickerson was considerably more able to stay in position and win with an injured shoulder. McDonough dominated with his LENGTH and STRENGTH. He was one of the VERY few dominant DI guys who didn't have to set up a shot to finish it. He was able to get to the legs without much or any type of set up. He was then able to pull the legs in on ANYONE. He was also able to control everyone on top the same way. The weight cut definitely could have been a factor but his shoulder eliminated his biggest strength and his weaknesses inevitably became a bigger factor. MSU158, I haven't read your other posts on this thread so I'm not exactly sure where you stand on this, but this is precisely the reason I think referencing Nickerson in defense of McD just isn't very persuasive. Basically you're saying that without a healthy shoulder McD didn't have the skillset to win or even place, whereas Nickerson clearly did. Some people might characterize taking shots without setups and not being able to find a way to control on top as "poor wrestling." I don't know. I like McD and I think it's silly to dismiss the injury as some seem to do. I also think his weight was a problem, although that's just speculation. My only point is that if someone is trying to defend McD's failure to place based on the injury, then referencing Nickerson is possibly the worst evidence one could raise.
  22. Too many wrestling fans criticize sensational riding as stalling and want the top man to concede a point if he can't just roll over his opponent and pin him. Riding is WRESTLING and, therefore, by definition not stalling. Hanging on an ankle in desperation is not wrestling and, therefore, stalling by definition. It's too bad more fans (and youth and high school coaches) do not understand that distinction as you do.
  23. This McDonough crap is so transparent. It's beyond argument that a shoulder injury can make a great wrestler look very average - see Nickerson, Q. Wright, the Altons, on and on. But apparently the Iowa bashers can't cut McDonough any slack. His injury, which required surgery, simply played a secondary role to whatever the know-it-alls want to throw out there. Why the difference in the way McD is treated as oppossed to Nickerson for example? I agree that this is just Iowa hate, but Nickerson took a lot of crap on these boards, too. And Nickerson's injury was patent and plagued him for a significant portion of his career - and he won the NCAA's with a shoulder that dislocated during his championship match. Nickerson might be the worst wrestler you could point to in order to convince people to cut McD some slack.
  24. I'm not saying that working from the tripod is necessarily the best technique one can use from the bottom. Whether it is the best technique for any given wrestler depends on a number of factors - the wrestler's personal strengths and weaknesses, the opponent's personal strengths and weaknesses, match situation, riding time accrued, time remaining in match, etc. I was just pointing out to those posters who seem to think that any wrestler who doesn't "explode" off the bottom is a victim of too much freestyle, poor coaching or ignorance simply are not correct - the tripod is nothing new and has been utilized by some very explosive wrestlers, including Schultz. It can be a very effective technique but, like any technique, it can be exploited if done poorly or in the wrong situation. Your argument that Wade Schalles would have taken advantage of a poor tripod is well taken but, on the other hand, Schalles pinned nearly 70 percent of his college opponents; any expression of weakness in a match against Schalles more likely than not would result in being pinned.
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