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  1. He beat Koll in the US Open finals, I think in '95 as well, with a move that was so brutal I can't even believe it still. He invented it with his brother and called it the Fisherman's Hook or something like that. It was like a gator roll at first. Dave had Koll in the front headlock and went left then right then went straight over Kolls heals while taking the headlock with him. In order to do this move without paralyzing someone, you have to do just so IMO. Its in no wasy easy or obvious. I think he pinned Koll in like a minute with it. Dave was wrestling the best he ever had that year and would have medaled that year and beyond. His wrestling mind was hitting a new gear. I'm getting pissed at Dupont again even typing right now. Dave, to me, is a wrestling god.
  2. I always loved Kevin Jackson vs jabrailov at the Olympics in 92 I believe. Great match with a brilliant finish. Also tons of matches with Brands and Kendall Cross. Snyder vs Gwiz was special too.
  3. My favorite Woody Hayes line will forever be: "Nothing cleanses the soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." We usually need these losses.
  4. I'd go with whomever ends up with the highest results at the end of their international career. Who has the most or the highest results at Olympics and worlds? Does that make it Abe? Or perhaps Frank at Olympics. Taylor and Retherofor have done well and Chertow was an Olympian. McCoy or Abe seem to have the highest results so far. The amount of NCAA titles is good, but as far as best wrestler, those world results speak more about wrestler IMO.
  5. Logan beat Romanov and has some other big wins for sure. He justs needs to wrestle like the Logie bear we saw those time as well as the clutch ability he showed throughout his NCAA career at NCAA's. I'm never giving up on that cat. I mean bear.
  6. Really none of this matters after the World's. That is all we will remember. And really even more so, the Olympics in a few years will dictate these athletes' legacies. So really, who cares about this one? Refs and bad calls are apart of sports. Sh*t happens.
  7. I was just kinda throwing that out because the Dernlans were the family but the brothers didn't have any kids to add to the trophy case. I used to roll around with Tim Dernlan pretty often One thing I want to know is I thought Jeff was more the face of the Jordan brand now and that Jim and Jeff aren't totally in lock-step. I am assuming that based on the Bo-Isaac dynamic. I don't see how attacking Jim effects Jeff per se. And I know Dom and other DiSabatos and coached with Dom. Never, ever did I hear a bad word about Jim Jordan from him. So it seems to be between Mike and Jim and not so much the families. I just think its a little more complicated and I definitely think that this will indeed muddy up the waters for really catching the real criminals. I mean the doctor is dead and they are worrying about this other dynamic and not really even trying to dig any deeper. Red Herring used to be a word for this thing. I also should add I was part of the first Jordan clubs in 92 or 93 and drove an hour to Urbana which is where it was first held. I love the Jordans too. And I know and like Adam and Dom D. Never met Mike somehow. I do feel bad if he really was abused. That doesn't make vindictive behavior okay though. And I still think this whole thing stinks and much deeper than politically.
  8. I think this is much deeper than politics and this will only serve to muddy the waters on catching this stuff.
  9. You read my post didn't you? I said staying on top is much harder. Which is to say they are our best guys ,but the circumstances are different for the unproven guys.Taylor and Dake look like our best since they are killing guys. But they don't have to wrestle with such a massive target on their backs. edit: I guess I wasn't totally clear, but reading into my statement I say that what JB and Kyle are wrestling against are much harder circumstances. Dake and Taylor have a signifacnt amount of motivation to prove themselves and it shows, but that will get much harder at Worlds for both, particularly after this tourney: all the other countrie are going to scout them hard on video now.
  10. Did Kyle wrestle and tech Sharifov? If so: WOW. If not I'm still not worried.
  11. Right now tayor or Dake may be our best, although they don't have the targets on their backs like Kyle or JB. JB and Kyle are being actively scouted and practiced for. That make it much harder. Stayniig on top is much harder than getting there as most should know. Still, DT is wrestling tremendously. His match with the Iranian, should they meet, will be great.
  12. My point is someone will beat you at some point. Reinoso beat Smith twice the last few times they wrestled. Smith still won worlds. But as a Smith fan back then I was mortified and quite worried about Reinoso after the first time he beat John. At some point the best get beat. Who really cares if its earlier in the season?
  13. Reinoso beat him the last 2 times they wrestled. But it was a pool rather than a tournament where one loss would have ended it. How concerned were we with Reinoso? Also Smith might have gotten beaten by Brands but quit while he was ahead. Smith is great though. But they had him scouted well. I don't recall him wrestling more than one really great Russian though. He seemed to get ones that were good, not great. You are right, but it doesn't refute my point, basically.
  14. I'd rather be lucky than better. As good as Sadulaev is, no one is unbeatable, so luck is quite needed in these things. Of course you may be right. Time will tell
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