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  1. As freaky as Dake is physically, I think his best attribute is his mind. He has GOAT-level mental strength and dedication. Overcoming all those defeats, especially the close/controversial ones, all the injuries, and then having the stones to still actually believe he would beat JB., showing up as the best version of himself ever, is so impressive. He clearly watched his past performances, saw how much the complaining and poor-me thinking took a toll, and cut all of it out.
  2. I think the term "American style" has gone out of style in the past decade or so. Look at our Olympic team as an example. Is there a style that can describe even half of them? Gilman: probably the most one-dimensional and closest to the stereotypical "American style", reliant on conditioning and a big weight cut that affords him a strength and size advantage over almost anyone he wrestles. Non-existent par terre. Has one key go-to move. Lots of forward pressure but not so good laterally. JO: cuts too hard to pursue a conditioning-centric style. As varied technically as any Russian. Has singles, doubles, hi Cs -- all high without hitting knees and low -- short offense, ducks. Can scramble and probably has the best motion on the team (since Cox is not on the team). Is somewhat "American" in his inability to throw or turn in par terre, but he could just as easily be from Europe or Asia. Dake: as you said, probably the least "American". Complete. DT: Takes after his mentor Cael except I think he handfights better and is more comfortable in par terre Snyder: an ox with great technique. Definitely fits the "American" stereotype. Also no throws or par terre. Gable: prodigy. From his own country.
  3. Then why did you suggest I was "diminishing his physical gifts"? I agree strength isn't the only attribute that matters, but it's damn important in wrestling and it is overwhelmingly the attribute that is described by terms like "monster". And a related question, not necessarily directed at you: Is it not possible for someone to train very hard and develop exceptional technique to maximize whatever gifts s/he was born with, even if they weren't substantial? Who are some examples? Because if we are going to call all champion wrestlers freaks because the term can be extended to such a degree that any attribute can qualify, then are there any examples of non-freaky world champs?
  4. So he didn't even show up? The way the article wrote about it, I thought he was wrestling and then got injured and defaulted mid-match. I did see Bajrang's semi. Not even a hint of injury before, during, or after.
  5. Starting to watch via Flo and wanted to start a thread in case anyone else is interested in the event. Bajrang withdrew from the finals against Otoguro according to this: https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1106794/asian-wrestling-championships-otoguro I'm trying to find the match but it's taking forever for the archived stream to load when I fast forward it. How badly did Bajrang get hurt? Anyone see what happened? How did the match go before the injury? Otoguro was very sharp in the quarters and semis. Best I've ever seen him.
  6. I wasn't diminishing his physical gifts. Smith and "ragdoll" were used in the same sentence with reference to him as a "physical monster". I simply said he wasn't ragdolling anyone because hew was a monster. He embarassed a lot of people, made them look lead-footed, gassed them, frustrated them, etc. While it was in his best interest to focus on his technique versus his genetics, Smith claims he was "slow", that he developed what he calls "technique speed" through constant repetition and pattern recognition. JB, Dake, Nate Carr, Kyle Snyder... those guys come to mind as physical beasts to me.. B. Saitiev, John Smith, Yianni D... freaks in a different way. Just not physical monsters.
  7. His positioning and technique made him strong as sht, I'm sure, but he was not that physically powerful. Myron Roderick would constantly make fun of how weak he was (I'm sure he exaggerated ab it). My point is you can't really call him a freak in the same way that, say, Dake or JB are called freaks. He was more of a B. Saitiev type of freaky--a technique freak.
  8. John Smith was far from a physical monster. He wasn't ragdolling anyone with brawn. He was not that strong. He had very good flexibility and balance, and his conditioning was always on point, but I wouldn't classify him as a freak in any way.
  9. Dake is on a different level right now. Whether Nolf can catch him remains to be seen, but I'm not betting on it anytime soon. I do think Nolf has a lot of potential, but going to the next level will require a different approach, and that evolution will take time. He reminds me of DT right out of college: huge potential but needs a lot of work on strategy, adjusting in-match, and overall freestyle IQ. Nolf's main strategy is to overwhelm you, which worked well in folkstyle against college kids, against whom he had a big physical advantage. The same approach will not work on the best guys in the world. Guys like Dake, JB, Chamizo, Sidakov, et al will feast on people like Nolf right now.
  10. I think Dake will hold it down at 74 kg. He fought so hard to finally be the protected one that I doubt he gives it up easily. Especially in 2021, when worlds will be a few weeks removed from the Olympics. He’ll surely go 74 kg there. JB will likely be forced to go up in 2021 if he decides to try out for Worlds since it’s hard to see Dake not medaling, which will automatically make him the world team member. I think there’s a decent chance JB takes the year off to set new roots, be a dad, get his mind right, and decide how he wants to adjust and for how much longer he’ll compete. I haven’t looked this up, but probably more than half his losses have occurred in the past couple of years. He needs to change something, and weight class might be a start.
  11. That’s not how recovery from ACL surgery works. Once you’ve done your PT, you don’t decrease the chances of reinjury by waiting longer. After a full rehab period where you strengthen the legs enough, more rest doesn’t mean more protection, and the chance of reinjury is always higher than before the tear. If he gets surgery now, he should be back by the second half of next season. Not 100% as far as sharpness and conditioning, but is he really going to be much worse than after a season of no ACL training?
  12. Nolf to 79 kg is interesting if he starts now. He definitely has the frame for it, reminiscent of DT’s. He needs to get stronger since he’ll lose a good amount of the leverage that makes him so hard to deal with in the 150s and 160s. Imart stated he’ll come back at 79 kg when his rehab is complete. 79 kg will be awesome to watch: Possibly Zahid, Ringer, Nolf, Imart, Hall, Cenzo (can’t see him making 70 kg)... Can’t wait to see it all go down.
  13. Incredibly, given he's American, I'd say he's one of the best par terre wrestlers in the world at any weight. Dude has seriously freaky hips and grips.
  14. I really hope Lee is not going to delay surgery, as the article suggests. He could come back to wrestle in the second half of next season if he gets operated on now. He should at least do one of them.
  15. However, recency bias is prevalent so I’d say Stanford is more well-known in the “modern” era of, say, 20 years or so.
  16. That was an awesome interview. His comments about his camaraderie with Yianni and his mixed emotions after winning sum up how great a guy JO is. I have only had limited interaction with him but I have never heard anyone speak badly of him.
  17. I believe him. He has done it before. Reeve Humphrey mentioned in an interview a few years ago that JO was the biggest 140s wrestler he’s ever seen in the off-season. Was mid 180s at the OTC maybe four or so years ago.
  18. No and no. After the rewrestled match which Smith won (i.e. the first rewrestle, not the second time they rewrestled), they wrestled a third match in which Lewis got injured while losing and injury defaulted out. So he failed to show for his other round robins. After Lewis won the second time they rewrestled the controversial match, I am pretty sure (but not 100% sure) he then wrestled Dellagatta at a separate time and won but then didn’t have to face Burley since Burley had not beat anyone during the round robin.
  19. I am on team Smith on this one but it’s a very complex situation—no black and white right answer. That’s probably why it doesn’t get more discussion. Both sides have their merit. For history, refer to this: https://matref0.tripod.com/Articles/Lewis_Smith_AWN.pdf In a nutshell: Lewis, Smith, Ricky Dellagatta, and Darryl Burley did a best of 3 round robin. (Incidentally, I like that format for selection the most of all American methods throughout history including the current one, which I like a lot too.) Duting the Lewis/Smith best of 3, Lewis won the first fair and square. He won the second but on a bad call that was protested and overturned later. The match was rewrestled and Smith destroyed Lewis, with the series now 1-1, and then Smith convincingly won the third to make it 2-1. Smith then beat everyone else and he made the team. Lewis protested that the match should’ve been rewrestled from the bad call onward (the whole match was rewrestled), then won the protest. The series went from 2-1 Smith back to 1-0 Lewis and, again, the controversial match was rewrestled but this time from the point of the bad call. Lewis won. Made the team. I have three issues with this: 1. I don’t like overturning the match days after it happened. A decision should’ve been made on the spot. In that way, I’m sympathetic to Lewis 2. Alas, If you’re going to overturn the match days after it happened, it doesn’t make sense to rewrestle only a fraction of the match days if not weeks later. Utterly ridiculous. What are you even testing for at that point? It’s only a little bit better than ball grab clinching. Sympathetic to Smith on that one. 3. Given how FUBAR the situation was, and that it is in our country’s best interest to select a wrestler quickly and commence preparation, who won the eye test? After all, they wrestled almost 4 entire matches. That’s a ton of fairly contested evidence from which to make as objective a decision as possible based on wrestling merit. I feel Smith convincingly displayed greater ability so would’ve favored his selection.
  20. Dartmouth doesn’t have it either but your point still holds.
  21. Huge fan. He has serious stones and will try to throw anyone. Very athletic and fun style. Can't wait to see more of him next year. Apparently has a monster in the making little brother. This could be a big move for ASU.
  22. Rest in Peace, Connor's Dad. You were a loving father above all, and a passionate fan of our great sport. You will be sorely missed.
  23. I think Smith is the GOAT in the US. You just can't beat 6 in a row with 2 Olympic golds (full participation, neither boycotted) by age 27, starting his run while still in college. That is almost too ridiculous to write. I also mentioned in another thread that he won both Goodwill Games which he entered with extremely tough finals opponents (Sarkissian, his Olympics finals opponent, and world champion Isayev). He was acknowledged as an innovator of technique not just in this country but worldwide.
  24. Great comment. Peak achievement easily goes to JB. Better career? I favor Big Bruce because while he was never as clearly the best as JB was, he was also more consistently among the top 2-3 and the ridiculously long history of medals proves it.
  25. Bad matchup for Sidakov. I have Dake comfortably. I don’t see Sidakov winning the hand fight with Dake and that removes his most effective techniques. Chamizo is more dangerous since he can match Dake’s athleticism.
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