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  1. 25 minutes ago, jp157 said:

    Did you read what I wrote? Do you understand how a cross face cradle works? That to do it the textbook way kerk did that it’s literally not him just using the  “arm strength of just his one arm” to “fold him up”

    90% of what arm strength he actually used was the grip on the cross face.. the rest is positioning and leverage… hence why bottom guy “folded up” so easy. 

    Point being, Mr. “slime out from what he says” Tbar said a flat out idiotic statement that reveals a level of ignorance that explains his why other things he says are so ignorant or stupid.


    How impressive Kerk is has nothing to do with how ignorant the statement was

    Or, maybe you are just obsessed. When someone makes a comment on these boards it is, just a thought here, not intended to be a full and complete kinesiological explanation of what they saw and what happened. Maybe you need a lesson on Internetting 101. 

    Back to ignore. 

  2. On 12/20/2021 at 2:31 PM, TBar1977 said:

    Well, yes, I do disagree because I think they have to hit on all cylinders, totally maxed out, and then PSU and Michigan both have to falter. Would all 3 of those things happen? I don't believe so. But ........ its nice to think about for an ASU fan. 


    On 12/20/2021 at 2:51 PM, MSU158 said:

    But, he never said it should or would happen.  He was just saying it was possible IF they all hit their ceilings and all of that is true.  Is it likely?  No.  Would I pick ASU over PSU or even Michigan?  No.  But, do they at least have the potential to finish ahead of them?  Sure.

    125:  Courtney should still finish top 4.

    133:  McGhee could still sneak onto the podium.

    141:  Vasquez should score some points in March.

    149:  Parco looks tough and should AA again.

    157:  Teemer is REALLY good.  He definitely has Finalist potential.

    165:  Valencia could very well be the guy that gets them there OR keeps them from getting there.  He has so much potential.  Will he show the heart when they need it most?

    174:  Any points here would be a bonus.

    184:  HOLE 

    197: Norfleet is dangerously similar to Valencia.  Has the tools to beat everyone, but seems to take matches off.

    285:  Schultz beats everyone but the top 3 or 4 guys that can move well enough to exploit the fact that he doesn't wrestle below his elbows.


    They have the potential for 6 guys to place top 5(Courtney, Parco, Teemer, Valencia, Norfleet and Schultz) without any one of them being a major surprise.  After that McGhee has shown he can make the podium and Vasquez could very well prove to be an AA threat as well.  This team has legit potential to score 100+


    On 12/21/2021 at 4:32 AM, 1032004 said:

    Courtney isn’t placing top 4 with Lee, Vito, Suriano and Glory at 125 unless he gets a lucky draw and those guys hit before the 3/4 match.  And wouldn’t be surprised to see him lose to someone else.


    On 12/21/2021 at 9:08 AM, MSU158 said:

    I am not counting Suriano until he actually wrestles a college match. As far as the rest goes, we should learn a lot on January 16th. 


    On 12/22/2021 at 6:31 AM, 1032004 said:

    Sure but even if he doesn’t, 4th is the absolute best case scenario for Courtney and him vs the field for 4th I’d probably take the field.


    On 12/22/2021 at 8:45 AM, MSU158 said:

    Maybe, maybe not. Like I said, we can revisit this after January 16th. If Glory wrecks him, I will concede. I just want to see him wrestle the guys that have barely wrestled folkstyle in about 2 years before automatically putting them ahead of him. 


    On 12/22/2021 at 9:03 AM, 1032004 said:

    Courtney seems like he could be a little rusty too, seeing his 9-5 decision over a guy from Western Wyoming College and several other decisions over non top 20 opponents.  People liked to hate on 125 last year, but there was a ton of parity after  Lee.  If I had to bet on Courtney taking 4th (or 5th with Suriano) or not AA’ing, I’d bet on not AA’ing.


    On 12/22/2021 at 9:36 AM, 1032004 said:

    Well if you're looking for some data, already this year Vito has majored Teske who Courtney beat 5-3 last year and Glory majored Schroder who was R12 last year.

    Courtney had a nice run at NCAA's but he won his 3 matches after the first round by a combined 5 points, one of those over a guy who literally got 10th at Big 10's. 


    On 12/22/2021 at 10:06 AM, MSU158 said:

    That isn't always an effective transitive property.  Courtney never has been a light the scoreboard up kind of guy.  A good comparison of style(not that I am saying he is nearly as good) is Dake.  Courtney holds great positioning and is rather hard to score on.  Remember the argument before Dake and Taylor wrestled was a big argument because Taylor would always light up the scoreboard and Dake most certainly did not.  Again, not to say Courtney is near Dake's level, but styles make match ups.  

    Now, if I had to pick, I would pick Vito and  Glory over Courtney, but I don't think it is quite as clear as you make it out to be...in his defense, he is 25-1 the past 2 seasons and his only loss is to Spencer Lee.  I feel quite comfortable picking him top 4ish until I see someone else actually beat him!


    On 12/22/2021 at 12:13 PM, whaletail said:

    The Glory win over Schroder was a real eye-opener for me.  I thought he might tech him, and I've always viewed Schroder as a better wrestler than his NCAA tourney results might suggest.

    At least when rehydrated, Glory hasn't lost a step on the mat either, and his dominant top wrestling should really pay dividends in March.

    And over the last two days, Vito's looked every bit the hammer he was in 2019.

    Assuming Suriano does suit up for UM, and at 125, the three of them certainly round out my top 4, with Courtney at 5.

    That said, I also rate Brandon Kaylor pretty highly, and expect him to give Courtney a tough match at PAC-12s.


    On 12/22/2021 at 2:52 PM, klehner said:

    Dake had 83 bonus point wins in 137 victories, consisting of 44 pins, 9 tech falls, and 30 majors.  Most certainly did not "light up the scoreboard"?  I always wondered where this belief comes from.

    Vito is 18-0 against common opponents with Courtney, who is 16-4 against those wrestlers.


    On 12/22/2021 at 3:01 PM, TBar1977 said:

    Orders of magnitude difference between Courtney and Dake, thus any comparison is moot. Arujau and Glory are in those orders of magnitude. So is Suriano. I'd be surprised if Courtney gets a TD vs any of them to be quite frank. 


    On 12/22/2021 at 3:22 PM, TBar1977 said:

    To add to your argument, Courtney has never beaten a wrestler ranked in the top 5 (wrestlestat) and his only two wins ever against anyone ranked 6 thru 10 came in last year's NCAA Tournament. Now that was a great time to break out for those wins, but they were ultra close wins over Taylor Lamont who loses to lots of guys (unless Greco) and Jacob Camacho who in 4 seasons himself only has one win over a top 10 wrestler. There just isn't anything that jumps out and screams he can beat one of the top 4 guys. 


    One, even the way you entered that thread was grand. Ha ha.

    And I had forgotten you compared Courtney to Kyle Freaking Dake! But you didn't hype him even a little! Ha hahaha

    Love how when so many tried to ground you on your hype that you dig your heels in deeper.

  3. 5 minutes ago, MSU158 said:

    I said that his overall style is hard to score on while at the same time saying he doesn't light up the scoreboard himself.  I never once said Glory couldn't score on him.  Hell, Glory turned him twice.  In fact, I NEVER made ANY indication of a prediction to an actual match between the 2.  Man, you are LITERALLY grasping at straws.   Not something new to you by any means...On top of everything, I took a wait and see approach and said I wanted to see how January 16th went before saying if Courtney even had a chance to beat him.

    Oh, and for added context, that first sentence was in reference to Courtney not being likely to score bonus points against PSU.  It wasn't exactly used as some major argument to bolster Courtney's abilities...

    I guess the guy that started that thread wasn't hyping ASU to start with either. It wasn't until people started to disagree with him that he acknowledged he wasn't objective. He asked me what I thought, I gave him my thoughts, then you mischaracterized my thoughts. It is this way of thinking from you that first drew my radar to your hyping certain things, most that Iowa would win NCAAs all those times. You swung and missed so many times that I noticed the trend. So when I believed Glory would easily beat Courtney - the true eye test for me - and then you started hyping Courtney ... easy pick for me.

  4. 2 minutes ago, MSU158 said:

    Your recollection is biased and inaccurate then.  All I literally said in the thread was I picked Courtney top 4.  I never even hinted that he would beat Lee, Glory or Vito and, at that point, I wasn't counting Suriano because who knew if he would actually end up wrestling somewhere.  The only other thing said was someone saying they would pick the field over Courtney taking 4th.  Not sure what else can be said here...

    I recall you saying more than that, like how he would be so hard to score on and the like. How'd Glory make out with scoring on him?

  5. 3 minutes ago, MSU158 said:

    Oh, and I went back for you because I know you won't post it because I literally said in the Penn State #2 topic that, if forced to pick I would pick both Glory and Vito over Courtney...But, I MUST have been overhyping the guy that took 2nd last year and is ranked 4th currently by picking him to place top 4.  Man am I one giant overhyper...

    Well, the trend of picking against your hype was once again successful. If you were hyping Spencer Lee or Gable S., no I am not picking against obviously correct hype. It is when you start hyping a guy and it just doesn't pass the eye test ... that is when I feel pretty good about picking the other guy. Sorry, but you are a good contra indicator for certain guys.

  6. 26 minutes ago, MSU158 said:

    You may need to go back read again then.  Creating your own trend vs. noticing someone' else's trend doesn't appear to be your strength. I said Courtney should be around top 4.  Never did I once even come close to picking him over Glory.  Nor would I.  Newsflash,  with Lee not wrestling Courtney is ranked 4th!  

    For clarity, if I had to pick, as of now,  I would go:  Suriano, Glory, Vito, Courtney, Mastrogivanni, McKee, Ayala and Cardinale as my AA's at this point of the season...

    If I recall that thread people kept trying to bring you back to some sense of reality on Courtney, even though you did not outright pick him over certain guys. My sense was you had over hyped him based on his finishing runner up last year, so I confidently used that as one metric in picking Glory to beat him.

  7. 5 minutes ago, MSU158 said:

    Funniest part is have you EVER made predictions....like EVER?  I am pretty sure you are the king of cherry picking others!  And picking PSU wrestlers really doesn't count...

    Since you asked, pretty sure you were touting Brandon Courtney this year. Based a little bit on that over hype, I picked Glory. Go check the thread on that match for proof of concept. Noticing trends actually works.

  8. 12 minutes ago, MSU158 said:

    I did. And didn’t he make the finals and lose by one, without giving up any offensive points?  He also came very close to scoring the only takedown of that match. 

    Let’s not be disingenuous and act like I picked some bum who didn’t AA and Brooks TF’d…

    Never said you picked a bum, I just wanted to refresh my memory. I am just looking for "trends" in case I suddenly take up gambling.

  9. 46 minutes ago, MSU158 said:

    Amine is so fundamentally sound in all 3 positions.  But, he doesn’t do any one thing that wows you, so he doesn’t quite get thought of as good as he is. Let’s not forget he came back last year and wrestled up a weight and just missed winning it. Do you guys think Brooks would have won 197 last year?  I don’t. 

    i think this match is a perfect example of a “Toss up”. 

    Didn't you predict Hidlay to beat Brooks last spring?

  10. 2 minutes ago, NJDan said:

    It's true he had eligibility remaining, but Penn State listed him as a senior. In any event, he was 23 when he wrestled Gable, who was still just shy of 19. That's a huge difference, especially at heavyweight.

    So do you think him being a little older is THEE reason he beat him. Not anything to do with all the other things that go into winning a match, like strategy, preparation, athletic ability, skill, mindset? You do realize that lots of other guys got piss pounded by Gable that year, right? 

  11. 3 minutes ago, NJDan said:

    The answer is yes. Of course. Cassar was excellent. But he was a 5th year senior wrestling a true freshman with babyfat and won two one-point matches. As far as I know he went on to do nothing on the senior circuit.

    Not technically a 5th year senior. Five years out of h.s. yes, but he wasn't in his 5th year of college wrestling per se because he totally missed 2 years of experience due to injury. He was actually in his 3rd year of competing and had 2 remaining years after beating Gable S and the Oklahoma State wrestler at NCAAs. He went 3-0 the following year, re injured himself, then never competed for PSU after that. 

  12. Seems like numerous countries think they can fine or jail their way to Covid purity. Also seems those who don't want to take the vaccine are digging their heels in. Here are some stories that recently (one story from a while back) caught my attention. These stories are out there and healthy young people read them. Why is anyone shocked they might choose to not take the Vax shots? 

    I'm am for vaccines as I have stated dozens of times. I am against the use of force and the taking away of liberty. It won't make this world a better place. When physicians are being censored and when people learn about that censorship they quite obviously become defensive as the videos below will illustrate. Leadership needs to wake up and soften their tone towards these people, because what they are doing is not working. 

    Natural Immunity     https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/312637

    Fourth Booster Less Effective     https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20220118/fourth-vaccine-shot-less-effective-omicron-israeli-study

    Sept. 21 WHO repeats Warning Against Boosters in Healthy People    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/21/who-repeats-warning-against-covid-booster-shots-for-healthy-people-.html

    Jan. 19 WHO Says No Evidence Healthy Children and Adolescents Need Booster     https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/18/who-says-theres-no-evidence-healthy-children-adolescents-need-covid-boosters.html











  13. 19 minutes ago, MSU158 said:

    Does this red herring argument really matter?  It was ONE of TWO TOTAL "shots" in the first 7 minutes. Interpreting personal interpretations of a re-shot or not, he wrestled super defensively that match.  It is the equivalent of arguing the ant over the anthill.  I don't see how ANYONE could say Starocci wrestled aggressively and he sure wasn't 4 or 5 times less worthy of being called for stalling in comparison to Hidlay.

    What's with the all caps? 

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