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  1. Best guess at 57kg:

     

    In:

    Ramos

    Graff

     

    Top 7 at Trials Qualifier (Dec.), in no particular order:

    Colon

    Escobedo

    Sanders

    Naser

    Dennis

    Mitcheff

    Blanc

     

    Highest medalist at Schultz not already in:

    Scott

     

    2 Pan Am events:

    (no additional qualifiers, but I'll guess Ramos qualifies the weight here)

     

    NCAA champ at 125:

    Tomasello

     

    Final Trials Qualifier:

    Micic

     

    Potential Bracket with Seeds, based on the criteria outlined in the selection procedures document:

     

    1. Ramos (via qualifying the weight at Pan Am's would be automatic top seed)

    bye

    Tomasello

    8. Mitcheff

    5. Sanders

    Megaludis

    bye

    4. Graff

    3. Escobedo

    bye

    Micic

    6. Dennis

    7. Naser

    Scott

    bye

    2. Colon

     

    Such a wide open weight class...a couple of the guys I've listed most likely won't even qualify.  Hochstrasser, Hazewinkel, Megaludis, Perelli, Waters, Simmons and others will make this a very interesting weight.

     

     

     

    you realize Coleman is already qualified right


  2. It might be a short foray into 86kg for Dake.  Tied 4-4 against a Kazakh, he attempts an inside trip and gets put to his back.  He loses 10-5.  It's interesting to read the Russian blogger's translated perspective..."American Kyle Dake, who is praised to the skies in his country, has shockingly lost to a Kazakh in his first attempt to wrestle at 86kg."

     

    Pami loses 5-1.  

     

    Pico wins his second match after being down big to the bronze medalist from last week's Kadyrov tournament.

     

    Were you there or do you have video? I've literally never seen Dake try an inside trip so he must be working on some new moves in addition to a new weight


  3. Does anyone have translated results for the league this year? I was looking back at the Club World Cup and saw the Bimeh Razi Jouybar team is absurdly stacked: Rahimi (2013 world champ), Goygereyev (2013 world champ), Kurbanaliev (2013 bronze), Taghavi (2009 and 2011 world champ) and Ezzatollah Akbar (2013 silver).

     

    I would love to know how often they compete, what the schedule is, who the best team is if not this one. If they're attracting Russians to the league it must be paying well or be a solid level of competition. Who won it this year if it's over?


  4. "Don't like that some stud transferred in and took your spot? WORK HARDER. Or transfer/quit. IT. DOES. NOT. MATTER."

     

    Taken to it's logical conclusion, would this type of philosophy result in the elimination of high school athletics in favor of club teams? The European model.

     

    Honestly I think this is the only way sports do work. You can't have entities such as school and sports meld together. It will eventually fall apart.


  5. I really hate that this thread has turned into a referendum on kids and their age. Most states allow you to be 19, and it is ludicrous to me that kids can't transfer or repeat for athletic reasons. I agree that kids shouldn't be 20 and competing in HS, but to me as long as you are a teenager you should be allowed to compete in HS. For whatever school you want. Obviously public schools have rules about who can go to their schools, but don't limit kids or teams from competing or growing.

     

    What the heck sense does it make to force a kid to sit out a year because they transferred for athletic reasons? Karl Anthony-Towns was just the No. 1 overall pick in the NBA draft and he re-classified while going to HS in Jersey. Get over it people, kids and their parents want every edge they can find, teams want to horde talent. You have two options: give up or try harder. Don't like that some stud transferred in and took your spot? WORK HARDER. Or transfer/quit. IT. DOES. NOT. MATTER.

     

    As long as they aren't pumping the kids with roids, I don't think we should have any rules whatsoever limiting transfers. I don't think we should have any rules limiting kids in grades 6-8 from trying to make their HS team. I don't think we should have any rules about repeating grades or re-classifying while in HS. "Competitive Balance" is a completely BS ideal that only hurts the greats, it doesn't make the bad teams/kids any better. Bunch of freaking crybabies. Your arguments are pointless and even more than that, they are freaking kids. Let them have their fun. 19 or under and not on roids? Do your thing kids. Go win some titles.


  6. Wow the refs in that Green vs Italy match where lost. Frustrating to watch

     

    Yeah that match pissed me off a lot. First of all, Chamizo definitely should've been on the shot clock in the first period, and you could make a decent argument he should've been on in the second period as well. Second, that last 20-30 seconds was a sh*tshow by the officials. Get the dang score right and figure it out quickly. Third and this was most frustrating, as poorly as I personally think that match was reffed, Green could only blame himself for losing (if he had lost). He couldn't finish his shots. Gave way too much deference to Chamizo or quit on shots or didn't feel confident. Whatever the reason, he gave up a ridiculous counter two, and left at least two other solid takedown opportunities on the table.

     

    Very happy to see the win against a ranked opponent, but Chamizo has been at 65kg this whole year and came up from 55kg back in 2010 when he first started internationally. Not sure why Green didn't use his size advantage or why he let up when he would get to the legs, but I hope he doesn't wrestle like that in Vegas.


  7. I'm not sure why everyone thinks this is such a great pickup for Iowa St. First of all, he graduated hs in 2011... which means he should be entering his rs senior year, not rs freshman year. Second, he didn't graduate from his home state because he got in legal trouble for assaulting a kid, a kid I knew personally. Then, he leaves Nebraska under dubious circumstances. He has floated around Florida, Oregon, Nebraska and Iowa. Not saying people can't change, but this kid comes with a boatload of baggage. And in his limited action against D1 competition (in folkstyle) he has not fared spectacularly.

     

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-10-11/news/bs-md-ci-wrestler-20111011_1_james-patrick-downey-iii-turkey-bowl-three-assault-cases


  8. while not perfect I was able to get the following info out of Brandon Slay via twitter:

     

    some: Escobedo, Hutter, McKenna, Kennedy, Fay, C. Perry, Foster, Kilgore, Michalak, Francios, Coon, & top 3 at 2015 NCAA.

     

    most of those eligible besides top 3 from NCAA applied. Most NCAA guys didn't. IMAR did.

     

    Our National Coach Bruce Burnett discussed it with our National staff & HP Director and decided.

     

    Progress...


  9. Crap I didn't know that. What weight class? It's going to be a really great tournament.

     

    2013. As you can see he beat Olivas in his pool at 42kg in Freestyle, and then beat Brent Jones of Minnesota in the final.

     

    103  CADE OLIVAS   CALIFORNIA  133 1  4 TF 13-2 291 5      X 5-10 409   7      X 6-8                                                                   105  KADEN GFELLER   OKLAHOMA  134 7      X 1.0 7-10 291 3  3 D 10-5 408 1  5 F 2:29 484 9  3 D 10-8                              134 7      1 =>                   2 107  AUSTIN GOMEZ   ILLINOIS  134 5  3 D 10-7 292 9      4 TF 14-4 409 3  3 D 8-6 485 11  4 TF 13-3                              134 5  3 =>                   1 109  DREW MATTIN   OHIO  135 11      5 F 5:36 292 7  X 4-14 BYE --  0 -- 484   5      X 8-10                              X                   3

  10. The Valencia brothers are the most fascinating case study in USA Wrestling right now. Anthony is clearly the explosive, offensive guy, not afraid to step into the senior US Open and take third. Buttt he wrestled 170 this year, so I don't know how he maintains 163 for the next 10 years. And he gets sloppy, as evidenced by his losses to Chandler Rogers and Junior Worlds last year. Zahid on the other hand is defensive wizard, conservative and methodical. It's really hard to beat people you can't score on, but I don't trust his offense just yet. Zahid was the more ballyhooed coming into high school, and his body will transition better to 86kg. He is also clearly thinking long game, staying down at juniors for now and really focusing on becoming the best at his age group. I have no idea which one will end up "better" in the long run and it doesn't matter. But it's interesting to me how different these two brothers are. Can't wait to see their development!


  11. Gomez I agree might not have much of a chance to win this weight, but then he also loves feeding on that kind of stuff haha. Olivas is an interesting case though. He has tons of overseas experience for someone his age. He's wrestled 2x at Cadet Worlds, wrestled in the youth Olympic games, and just wrestled both styles at Junior Pan Ams. If his body looks right, I would think an Olivas-Lee final is more likely than Fix-Lee. All depends on the bracket of course, but I know one thing for sure: the winner of this weight will be a solid threat to win a gold medal this year in Sarajevo.


  12. Yeah I mean I guess it could be confusing to outsiders. But like I said, you look at it like NCAAs. The conference tournaments qualify you for the national tournament. The Open and the Regionals qualify you for WTTs. But I see what you're saying, it does seem counter-intuitive to the uninitiated that the "senior nationals" champ may not be the guy representing us at worlds.


  13. Lost to Jack Mueller at Jr US Open and placed 4th. His other loss was to a college guy (Barlow McGhee- Mizzou)

     

    That's right, forgot he was at JRs. Mueller is a tough kid, both folk and free. Gomez might need to grow into this weight. So might Lee to be honest, but he's such a good wrestler it might not matter at the Cadet level.


  14. I think Valencia has small chance if he could stay away from DT tie ups and shoot his doubles like he did against Howe. DT pushes the pace though and will not let there be a gap so lots of warning on Valencia will be placed he will be forced into DT game. Tough match for Valencia but DT got this one but still will be great to watch

     

    Not only that, but we KNOW Anthony won't be afraid. He truly believed he was going to beat Howe, and he will step right up and scrap with DT. Doesn't mean he'll win, but that confidence bodes well for his future if he gets more precise and selective in his attackes. So excited to see him  and Mark Hall develop.


  15. I mean yes, generally speaking it is wise to go to the person with the answer. BUT the whole point here is that he SHOULDN'T HAVE TO!! Yes, he was fighting for his friend, yes he is affected by the medalist bye. But that doesn't really matter as much as USA Wrestling not doing something super easy. Here are the criteria, here is who voted and how they voted, here are the eligible candidates and those who applied. That's not super difficult to do, nor does it negatively affect them as much as being opaque about it does.


  16. Well said, Meloserio. Agree with everything you said.

     

    A qualifier is just that, a qualifier. There is no shame whatsoever in using a qualifier to do what a qualifier was intended to do: qualify you for WTT. It may have been a strategic decision by Dake to allow his body to heal properly, but in no way should using a qualifier to qualify be frowned upon. If we want our sport to grow, having more participation in qualifiers is important, rather than concentrating all the activity in one event.

     

    Thank you for getting this wrestlingnerd! It's like people who crap on any conference tournament because it's not Big Tens. The rules are established, and both the NCAA and USA wrestling have made great strides in trying to make their auto qualifiers as reasonable as possible. The tougher the qualifier, the more auto bids you get. It's pretty simple.

     

    But then we have wildcards, for situations like AJ Schopp this year at NCAAs. Dake may not have come off very professional in his tweets, but that doesn't mean he was wrong to express them via social media. Slay is the development coach, he works with the guys who are going to have to be dealing with this in the future. So it really bothers me if he is encouraging opaque and under board means of acquiring info. Totally reeks of favorite playing or politics.


  17. Seedings matter.  Consider the following:

     

    1. The #1 seed in in the mini tourney gets a bye.  So does the #2 at 74KG.  Upsets happen, as do injuries.  Having one less match to wrestle is a significant advantage.  

     

     

    There are seven guys qualified for 74kg, so only Taylor should get a bye. Howe will most likely have Godley in the first round. The 74 seeds should be 1) Taylor 2) Howe 3) Dake 4) Valenica 5) Caldwell 6) Sponseller 7) Godley. I would be shocked if it went any other way.


  18. So here is what USA Wrestling posted about applying for a wild card: http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2014/May/14/World-Team-Trials-wildcards-named-in-FS-and-GR

     

    Regarding the bye, I agree US Open champs should not get a bye into the finals, but I am ok with immediate year prior world medalists getting a bye into the finals.

     

     

    That being said Dake would be more credible if he had actually participated in the U.S. Open. I think the regional qualifiers are horrible. It rewards people who game the system. People should have to petition to miss the U.S. Open.

     

    This thinking has GOT to stop. We have known for years these are qualifiers, and this isn't the first time Dake has qualified this way. EVERYONE, fans, athletes, coaches, all of us need to make NE and Northern Plains regionals more seriously. If they are going to be qualifiers, they need to be treated like a serious event. The Olympics has multiple qualifying events, so do our WTTs. It is our duty to make them important and respected, well attended by fans and athletes alike.

     

    Getting back to the WC process, I am really upset that USA wrestling did not post a list of all those who were eligible and all who applied. They should also list the committee used to select it, as in their names and how they voted, not just "the freestyle wildcard committee selected these guys." I would've liked to have seen Tomasello get the WC at 57 for example, but I have no clue if he applied. I also have no clue if Escobedo was a unanimous decision, or how many rounds of voting.

     

    It may seem silly to some people, but this is serious business. They drastically reduced the number of auto qualifiers from last year, so being wholly transparent in the process of selecting wild cards is a huge deal. Only 8 guys total have a shot at WTTs, both athelets and fans deserve to know this information.


  19. I think the point that I was trying to make, and failed in an epic way, was the amount of 'hype' associated on all these forums with 10-11 guys that are hovering around this weight.  Again:

     

    1.) Burroughs:  All the hype, and GOLD

    2.) Dake:  4x NCAA Champ... hype galore, but loses every hypothetical matchup

    3.) Taylor:  2x NCAA Champ, 2x Hodge... hype galore, and wins most hypothetical matchups

    4.) Howe:  NCAA Champ, hype galore... and wins his fair share of hypothetical matchups, but constantly loses to the above three

    5.) Valencia:  Newfound hype, 3rd as US Open as a Sr. in HS... 

    6.) Caldwell:  Tons of hype, University Gold, just won Pan Ams, etc.

    7.) Dieringer:  Immense amount of hype, 2x NCAA Champ, another season to go

    8.) BoJo:  Tons of hype, only NCAA loss at championships to AD... tons of hype going into next season and beyond

    9.) Miller:  Destroyed Caldwell last year, tons of hype in FS

    10.) Mark Hall:  May have the most hype of any HS phenom in quite some time, and is beating his way into the conversation. 

     

    Then there's IMAR:  Tons of HYPE... Marable... 70kg representative... etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc... 

     

    From a US perspective, I see depth.  There are no other weight classes that you can list this amount of HYPED talent, and hype is based on their performances.  

     

    At 65kg, we have internal depth per se, but not as deep in my opinion.  57kg?  No chance.  61kg?  No chance.  86kg?  No chance... 97kg?  There's depth, but NOT like 74kg.  Same with 125kg.  

     

    So... bringing this thread back one last time, and then I'm moving on!  :-)

     

    Any additional thoughts on the depth?  

     

    Tier 1: 1) Burroughs 2) Dake 3) Taylor 4) Howe - these guys have been sharing the world team (top 3 spots) since 2012. Doesn't look like that will be any different this year.

     

    Tier 2: 5) Mark Hall 6) Anthony Valencia 7) Alex Dieringer - Mark beat the crap out of Anthony, Anthony beat the crap out of Caldwell. Not sure why anyone would think those two aren't right there. Dieringer hasn't wrestled freestyle in a while, but I HIGHLY doubt Caldwell got the better of him in that room.

     

    Tier 3: 6) Caldwell 7) IMar 8) Sponseller 9) Godley - this takes care of all the guys who have qualified for the WTT (outside of the wild card which hasn't been announced yet). I know IMar was really good this season in folk, but he's still too small for 74 yet, got teched by Anthony and hasn't wrestled freestyle this year.

     

    If that's your top 9 guys, I'm not sure how any country except Russia or Iran can compete with that kind of depth and youth talent coming up the pipeline. But we REALLY, REALLY need to start pushing these guys overseas. If that's not your MO, you won't be a world/olympic champ, point blank. Winning domestically is great and it makes you a fine wrestler, but legends are international.


  20. Some of you David Taylor lovers just wish Dake was never born. Clearly still bitter.

     

    I think the points many people are trying to make is not necessarily that Taylor is better, but that Taylor's resume for this cycle is superior to Dake's. Clearly recency matters in US seeding as evidenced by Herbert's seed at the Open. Of course USA wrestling was fully aware of Jake's accomplishments, but he has just gotten back into wrestling in the last few months. We all know Dake's record against Taylor, but Taylor has a better resume over the past year. No one will be surprised if Dake wins the challenge tourney, but that doesn't mean he should be the 1 seed. This gets back to a point that TR Foley made last year or two years ago. If Americans want to be ranked by UWW, they have to compete more often outside America. Seeds are based on resume, and Taylor's recent results outweigh Dake's.

     

    I'm also surprised there's no mention of IMar this thread. I know we went 157 this year and got teched by Valencia last year, but that doesn't mean he can't improve and bulk up to 74kg. Not saying he wins anything beyond college right now, but I expect him to progress into a contender by 2020.


  21. Given that Anthony Valencia just qualified for WTT, should Mark Hall seriously consider signing up for the northern plains regional? I know neither of them is cracking the world team this year with Burroughs, Dake, Taylor and Howe fighting for those top 3 spots, but I think it would be great to see him try and compete at this level. Since he was born in 97, he would need a medical certificate. I know he may be focused on UWW junior, but it's pretty clear his aspirations go well beyond winning cadet and junior world titles.

     

    That being said, it's hard to argue with his development plan at this point. Him and Pico may both just be focused on being able to dominate their age group before taking on senior level guys. As far as other Northern Plains/wildcard guys, I would have to imagine Godly, Imar, Dieringer and Ian Miller could also be in the mix as guys who should be considering WTT.


  22. If I remember correctly, last time around only one who took an Olympic redshirt actually made the team. Andrew Howe was our alternate at 74kg. So although a lot of these guys make take the Olympic redshirt next year, I think it will be more so used for seasoning than as an actual attempt to make the team.

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