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    meloserio got a reaction from leshismore in Six Time State Champs   
    I really hate that this thread has turned into a referendum on kids and their age. Most states allow you to be 19, and it is ludicrous to me that kids can't transfer or repeat for athletic reasons. I agree that kids shouldn't be 20 and competing in HS, but to me as long as you are a teenager you should be allowed to compete in HS. For whatever school you want. Obviously public schools have rules about who can go to their schools, but don't limit kids or teams from competing or growing.
    What the heck sense does it make to force a kid to sit out a year because they transferred for athletic reasons? Karl Anthony-Towns was just the No. 1 overall pick in the NBA draft and he re-classified while going to HS in Jersey. Get over it people, kids and their parents want every edge they can find, teams want to horde talent. You have two options: give up or try harder. Don't like that some stud transferred in and took your spot? WORK HARDER. Or transfer/quit. IT. DOES. NOT. MATTER.
    As long as they aren't pumping the kids with roids, I don't think we should have any rules whatsoever limiting transfers. I don't think we should have any rules limiting kids in grades 6-8 from trying to make their HS team. I don't think we should have any rules about repeating grades or re-classifying while in HS. "Competitive Balance" is a completely BS ideal that only hurts the greats, it doesn't make the bad teams/kids any better. Bunch of freaking crybabies. Your arguments are pointless and even more than that, they are freaking kids. Let them have their fun. 19 or under and not on roids? Do your thing kids. Go win some titles.
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    meloserio got a reaction from GoNotQuietly in Kyle Dake not Happy   
    while not perfect I was able to get the following info out of Brandon Slay via twitter:
    some: Escobedo, Hutter, McKenna, Kennedy, Fay, C. Perry, Foster, Kilgore, Michalak, Francios, Coon, & top 3 at 2015 NCAA.
    most of those eligible besides top 3 from NCAA applied. Most NCAA guys didn't. IMAR did.
    Our National Coach Bruce Burnett discussed it with our National staff & HP Director and decided.
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    meloserio got a reaction from Cletus_Tucker in Zahid Valencia   
    The Valencia brothers are the most fascinating case study in USA Wrestling right now. Anthony is clearly the explosive, offensive guy, not afraid to step into the senior US Open and take third. Buttt he wrestled 170 this year, so I don't know how he maintains 163 for the next 10 years. And he gets sloppy, as evidenced by his losses to Chandler Rogers and Junior Worlds last year. Zahid on the other hand is defensive wizard, conservative and methodical. It's really hard to beat people you can't score on, but I don't trust his offense just yet. Zahid was the more ballyhooed coming into high school, and his body will transition better to 86kg. He is also clearly thinking long game, staying down at juniors for now and really focusing on becoming the best at his age group. I have no idea which one will end up "better" in the long run and it doesn't matter. But it's interesting to me how different these two brothers are. Can't wait to see their development!
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    meloserio got a reaction from BigTimeFan in Kyle Dake not Happy   
    Yeah I mean I guess it could be confusing to outsiders. But like I said, you look at it like NCAAs. The conference tournaments qualify you for the national tournament. The Open and the Regionals qualify you for WTTs. But I see what you're saying, it does seem counter-intuitive to the uninitiated that the "senior nationals" champ may not be the guy representing us at worlds.
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    meloserio reacted to wrestlingnerd in Kyle Dake not Happy   
    No, it is not an athlete's responsibility to call a world team coach to ask about WC criteria. It is USA Wrestling's responsibility to publish such criteria so at a minimum the athletes themselves know what they're wrestling for and even better the fans know what the he'll is going on (what a concept!).
    What IS irresponsible is for Slay to use Twitter to tell one of the country's top athletes who was rightfully asking for clarity that he's being irresponsible. What a joke. The proper protocol for athletes and fans alike to get clarity on selection criteria is NOT to call the world coach! Are you seriously arguing that? You honestly don't see the problem in that?
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    meloserio reacted to Angry_Fish in WTT Pre-Seeds   
    Wow.  Thanks Melo.  My bad.  I had it in my head that b/c there was no WC granted at 74KG, there would only be 7 guys total (6+JB). 
    Agree on your seeding.
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    meloserio reacted to wrestlingnerd in Kyle Dake not Happy   
    Well said, Meloserio. Agree with everything you said.
    A qualifier is just that, a qualifier. There is no shame whatsoever in using a qualifier to do what a qualifier was intended to do: qualify you for WTT. It may have been a strategic decision by Dake to allow his body to heal properly, but in no way should using a qualifier to qualify be frowned upon. If we want our sport to grow, having more participation in qualifiers is important, rather than concentrating all the activity in one event.
    I also agree that having no transparency is highly irresponsible of USA Wrestling. The fact that Brandon Slay is suggesting Dake behaved irresponsibly by airing his question out in social media speaks loudly about how opaquely and therefore inappropriately the selection process is being handled. Why the hell would Brandon Slay have any issue with an athlete asking for clarification of a process? How the hell is that irresponsible in any way? Does any other major sport treat the critical process of selecting who gets to compete in an important event like some big secret to be kept away from the eyes and ears of fans?
    Again, kudos to Dake. And shame on Brandon Slay. It is Slay who behaved irresponsibly. He owes Dake an apology.
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    meloserio got a reaction from GoNotQuietly in Kyle Dake not Happy   
    So here is what USA Wrestling posted about applying for a wild card: http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2014/May/14/World-Team-Trials-wildcards-named-in-FS-and-GR
    Regarding the bye, I agree US Open champs should not get a bye into the finals, but I am ok with immediate year prior world medalists getting a bye into the finals.
    This thinking has GOT to stop. We have known for years these are qualifiers, and this isn't the first time Dake has qualified this way. EVERYONE, fans, athletes, coaches, all of us need to make NE and Northern Plains regionals more seriously. If they are going to be qualifiers, they need to be treated like a serious event. The Olympics has multiple qualifying events, so do our WTTs. It is our duty to make them important and respected, well attended by fans and athletes alike.
    Getting back to the WC process, I am really upset that USA wrestling did not post a list of all those who were eligible and all who applied. They should also list the committee used to select it, as in their names and how they voted, not just "the freestyle wildcard committee selected these guys." I would've liked to have seen Tomasello get the WC at 57 for example, but I have no clue if he applied. I also have no clue if Escobedo was a unanimous decision, or how many rounds of voting.
    It may seem silly to some people, but this is serious business. They drastically reduced the number of auto qualifiers from last year, so being wholly transparent in the process of selecting wild cards is a huge deal. Only 8 guys total have a shot at WTTs, both athelets and fans deserve to know this information.
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    meloserio got a reaction from treep2000 in USA Freestyle @ 74kg - 2015-2016 Timeframe   
    Tier 1: 1) Burroughs 2) Dake 3) Taylor 4) Howe - these guys have been sharing the world team (top 3 spots) since 2012. Doesn't look like that will be any different this year.
    Tier 2: 5) Mark Hall 6) Anthony Valencia 7) Alex Dieringer - Mark beat the crap out of Anthony, Anthony beat the crap out of Caldwell. Not sure why anyone would think those two aren't right there. Dieringer hasn't wrestled freestyle in a while, but I HIGHLY doubt Caldwell got the better of him in that room.
    Tier 3: 6) Caldwell 7) IMar 8) Sponseller 9) Godley - this takes care of all the guys who have qualified for the WTT (outside of the wild card which hasn't been announced yet). I know IMar was really good this season in folk, but he's still too small for 74 yet, got teched by Anthony and hasn't wrestled freestyle this year.
    If that's your top 9 guys, I'm not sure how any country except Russia or Iran can compete with that kind of depth and youth talent coming up the pipeline. But we REALLY, REALLY need to start pushing these guys overseas. If that's not your MO, you won't be a world/olympic champ, point blank. Winning domestically is great and it makes you a fine wrestler, but legends are international.
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    meloserio got a reaction from BigTimeFan in USA Freestyle @ 74kg - 2015-2016 Timeframe   
    I think the points many people are trying to make is not necessarily that Taylor is better, but that Taylor's resume for this cycle is superior to Dake's. Clearly recency matters in US seeding as evidenced by Herbert's seed at the Open. Of course USA wrestling was fully aware of Jake's accomplishments, but he has just gotten back into wrestling in the last few months. We all know Dake's record against Taylor, but Taylor has a better resume over the past year. No one will be surprised if Dake wins the challenge tourney, but that doesn't mean he should be the 1 seed. This gets back to a point that TR Foley made last year or two years ago. If Americans want to be ranked by UWW, they have to compete more often outside America. Seeds are based on resume, and Taylor's recent results outweigh Dake's.
    I'm also surprised there's no mention of IMar this thread. I know we went 157 this year and got teched by Valencia last year, but that doesn't mean he can't improve and bulk up to 74kg. Not saying he wins anything beyond college right now, but I expect him to progress into a contender by 2020.
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    meloserio got a reaction from leshismore in Six Time State Champs   
    Stop, just stop. All I wanted to do was see who the six-time state champs were, not turn this into a referendum about holding kids back. Stop it.
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