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  1. On the last weekend in November: "I don't give a damn about the whole state of #ichigan. The whole state of #ichigan. The whole state of #ichigan. "I don't give a damn about the whole state of #ichigan, 'cause I'm from OHIO!" I've never felt that way about Michigan on any other day, and certainly never about its wrestlers. There have been wrestlers I root against - and I appreciate the occasional thread where they're described as "heels". I've never rooted against any wrestling team, but I've certainly rooted for any given underdog. It's really rare that I root against any wrestler, either. I rooted against both Gilman and Waters one year, but I eventually came around on Gilman. Desanto for part of last year, but then I came around to appreciate him too.
  2. A good win for Jordan! I would have liked to see Moore look for bonus.
  3. I'm reading reactions to absurdity, which I think is different from criticism. I respect the faith of the devout, and I think it's obviously useful for people like Kyle to focus every decision through the tiny orifice of his faith. He's made a series of great decisions, which led to unprecedented success - some of that success was at least as irrational as his faith, but he believed it and #U¢k¡nG DID IT! I hope he continues to find success! That said, for those of us who don't think that our internal dialogue is an intimate, 2-way conversation with the Creator of the Universe, seeing someone profess that every career decision is God's Will is absolutely absurd. I'm grateful that Kyle's faith is unique. I mean, if everyman's will was internally perceived as God's Will, then we would all do irrational things to each other, and I doubt we would have 7billion people.
  4. The international styles used to have balls Now we throw padded bricks
  5. I'm surprised to see him on a list here. He was one of my favorite guys to watch while living in Mt. Pleasant, MI. He beat some high-ranked guys at home during his time, and it was never pretty - just strength, guts, and some kinda meanness! I never met the guy, but from the arena he seemed like a great leader with all the work ethic we could ever admire.
  6. I agree, and the upside is exciting. He had a lot of well timed shots last year just rarely finished. He's a little more selective now, and he's finishing more. He seems to have the athleticism. Hope he keeps improving.
  7. Who's the starter at 165? The what-if on the red shirts isn't really a December argument.
  8. I'm sorry to see it go behind the paywall. I haven't decided yet if I'm willing to pay for any of the content on Intermat. I think Foley is a useful troll. I doubt he identifies as such, but he obviously enjoys challenging the right-wing biases, which I think are the majority in our community. I enjoyed reading how excited people would get when their idea was challenged - it tended to escalate quickly, but that's the effect of anonymity and an internet problem in general. I don't think we'll see that scrum in the comments after Mailbag anymore - just more preaching to the choir. Also, I think we should expect to see politics in sport. Sport is part of American culture, and so is politics. I love that sport brings people together who wouldn't usually congregate. So what if we don't agree - being disagreeable is innately American. Nobody is being forced to listen to anybody's idea - we have lots of ways to ignore things we don't want to hear, so I don't understand the argument that he was cramming any idea down someone's throat. Ideas are meant to be challenged. Arguments are lost everyday and for good reason. All that said, wtf is jacket-wearing? Contextually, I gather that it's uncivilized to not wear a jacket..? If so, I don't like the metaphor - it takes a lot more than a suit to have a good idea.
  9. How many times will Jordan get thrown to his back this year?
  10. Hellickson said in an interview that he confronted Strausse for creeping out the athletes by showering next to them for an hour. Has he ever explained the discrepancy there - that he knew something was happening but that he also never suspected abuse? The new, anonymous referee's federal court claim that he told both Hellickson and Jordan about an incident where Strausse masturbated next to him in those same showers, and that they replied "That's Struasse", certainly advances the narrative that they knew something pervasive was up. My interpretation up until now - and the referee's statement changes this a little - is they they knew something creepy was happening, but creepy and abusive weren't synonymous. I suppose it's the difference between sexual misconduct and sexual abuse, but parsing that difference doesn't account for Jordan's hard-lined denial, which has never made sense to me. He doesn't want to step in it. I wouldn't want to either, but lying about it isn't ok.
  11. There are several compelling potential matches in this dual - Potential because I don't assume to know the lineups. I used the results posted on the Buckeyes' and Cardinal' pages and Intermat's rankings to speculate. I welcome being corrected. 125: Heinselman vs #16.Townsell Towsnsell didn't wrestle at the Battle of the Citadel last week. Heinselman had good start at MSU Open dropping his semi match to ranked Hildebrandt in SV, but then got teched and pinned to take 6th. Not sure what to make of that. 133: #18.Kinner vs Kier Kinner looked promising at the MSU open with two wins over ranked opponents. Kier placed 3rd at Citadel. 141: #1.Pletcher vs #14.Woods Probably the most anticipated match of the day with Pletcher looking excellent at MSU and Woods looking to make a statement 149: #8.Sasso vs #15.van der Merwe Sasso looked great at MSU. Van der Merwe took 2nd at Citadel after losing 11-5 to #14.Clarke of American in the finals 157: #5.Hayes vs Eischens Hayes was highly active in 4-3 semi-final loss to Storr from Michigan while wrestling down at 149 at MSU, but then injury defaulted out to place 6th. Storr stalled the whole time, IMO, it wasn't pretty, and it was satisfying to see Sasso clean him up in the finals. Eischens was our Junior Greco Rep, took 3rd at Citadel losing 5-3 to #4 Early in the Semis, but otherwise put up 3 dominant wins. 165: #14.Smith vs #8.Griffith I haven't heard speculation about Kharchla and his shirt, but Smith was underwhelming down at 165 at MSU placing 3rd, coming through the consos with some forfeits after dropping his opening bout - hopefully he's just adjusting to the weight. Griffith won at Citadel. 174: Romero vs Karmon Romero looked good at MSU! He wasn't challenged, but besides a MFF over Gunther from Illinois, he didn't have a signature win either - . Karmon was 2nd at Citadel, also without any wins over ranked opponents. 184: Hoffman vs ? Stanford didn't list results at 184 at Citadel. Hoffman DNP at MSU 197: #1.Moore vs #9.Traxler Moore is a known quantity. Traxler beat 3 unranked guys from Old Dominion to win at Citadel HWT: #10 Singletary vs #18.Maley Singletary missed MSU presumably after traveling with his former teammate and world team rep. Maley didn't wrestle at Citadel.
  12. This is my favorite argument against the push out point. I do like the continued action, completed takedowns and nearfall. I don't know if I like all that more than the strategic edge play of a push out, as action goes. I think it's just different. Cheers on a great point though, red blades.
  13. I dunno. Iowa could finally win a title again, and I don't think I could stand reading all the PSU complaints about it.
  14. I see your initial point HammerLock, but I think the growth of opportunities outweighs the preconceived boundaries. I teach at a small, DII, liberal arts university. We attract Olympic hopefuls in Triathlon and Swimming, but they aren't American hopefuls (maybe some Americans in triathlon are because there are so few opportunities). These international kids are a huge asset to our culture and classroom, and obviously they make huge contributions to our athletics programs. This is an apples to oranges comparison, but I think from the perspective of the university, it's a total win! We get more kids whose vision is to be the best in the world, and I certainly embrace that in my classroom. I think it's a more-is-better perspective as institutions of higher learning are concerned. As for the follow-up spin: Is that a Foxcatcher reference? I don't see it as a pay to play, or a special team operation. I think Michigan comes with solid international appeal, and it must have a robust staff working on all the complications that come with that. They have high academic standards, and guys like Coon are on the wrestling team. Any way you want to spin it, Michigan is doing a good thing for their student athletes. Whether it's good for USA Wrestling is a different discussion.
  15. I don't follow closely enough to make a great argument for this, but I hesitate to put any of the non-Olympic guys above the others - especially in this qualifying year. I'd simply take Eagle's list above and bump Yazdani and Uguev above Cox and Dake. It's not that I don't believe in our two gold-medalists, but I think their challengers were fewer.
  16. I've explained this several times to my outraged liberal friends (and I personally lean left): First, this should have been handled between the kid and his coach in October/November when the kid reported to practice. It's the coaches' responsibility to communicate the rules to the wrestlers, and the school's responsibility to procure proper equipment. The coach should have known from the beginning whether the equipment was legal. I suspect that the equipment was furnished by the kid and his family rather than the coach/school. Either way, this should be the first point of discussion. I don't know who usually pays for special equipment these days, but it seems to me that it's in the schools' legal interest to do so. Next, if there was an equipment problem, then it should have been handled after weigh-ins. If the kid had illegal hair and wanted to wear special equipment, then that should have been approved at the same time as skin check, etc., in a locker room out of sight, between the kid, the coaches and the ref. It seems to me that this is where the ref screwed up. Or, if it IS within the rules to get past this stage without addressing the situation, then a rule needs to change so it doesn't happen again. Honestly, I first explain to my outraged friends that mat-side haircuts have a longer history affecting white kids - think about the hairstyles of the 70s and 80s. Cultural norms aside, if the rule is interpreted objectively, then this was within the rules and not unprecedented. Whether there should have been a more culturally-sensitive interpretation is a different discussion. Whether the ref had demonstrated racist behavior in the past is also a different discussion. Whether the rule should be changed is also a different discussion. When viewed objectively, this action was discriminatory of hair but not of race, despite the optics. Rather, it shows how a lackadaisical approach to interpreting rules can meet an unfortunate outcome. It seems to me that the question is not about hair, natural state or whatever, but rather about equipment. I don't think a governing body can write rules about how people wear their hair without discriminating, so they should leave that alone. They can certainly write rules about what interferes with athletes' ability to compete, and the refs' ability to observe action - I'm thinking of Fix v Gilman and the no-call head gear grab: when challenged, the video evidence was not clear because Gilman's hand was not clearly visible within Fix's massive hair.
  17. Can someone please calculate what Michigan's team score would have been?
  18. Top 6 in the Olympic weights. We don't have any of those yet.
  19. When I was in HS in the 90s, our 160lber was probably the best athlete on the team. He liked to grab you by the junk and do other sexually suggestive things to express his dominance, probably to express his homophobia too and perhaps some curiosity. I was the 119lber and an inferior athlete, but it was clear to me that I had to fight him. I obviously didn't win that fight, but I gave it all I had, which was enough to catch the attention of some adults, and he cut it out. Bullies don't always need to be defeated, but we can probably all agree that they do need to be fought. Abuse happens when someone exercises their power over someone, and when it works it's because of the shame and isolation that a victim feels. It's easy to imagine that I would fight the doctor too, but he wasn't a peer, and he wasn't in a place where physical combat settles all scores. He wasn't a bully who needed a sock in his mouth, he was a serial sex offender who used his authority over student athletes. He was also an official of the university and operating out of an examining room where the students were isolated. I highly doubt that a physical altercation seemed like a viable option for the students who were being abused. Risk an assault charge? Risk losing your scholarship, place in your closest community and reason/means for going to university? I don't think so.
  20. I heard an NPR radio show several years ago about the theory/philosophy of trolling. I did some googling and couldn't find a link, sorry. Notable was the misnomer of the troll being the pest under the bridge shaking people down. Instead, "trolling" was derived from the action of dragging the bottom of a river to stir up the sediment. Though this action is usually done while looking for something very specific, other things can also be uncovered. In the case of internet trolling: biases, old sentiment, old ideas that were once laid to rest but again agitated. I can appreciate a good troll job.
  21. Mark Churella's wikipedia page says he qualified for the 1980 team. Team USA's page lists Chuck Yagla at 149.5lbs and Leroy Kemp at 163.
  22. Based on social media posts by my Evangelical friends, I'm pretty sure it's God's "Will" these days (capital W). I could be conflating His pronouns with His Intentions - I dunno, it's a living language, and I Hate to grammar shame...
  23. I think Cael's success is directly correlated with his excellent chin. It really can't get any better than it already is, so if something changes with his chin, then I think we see the decline. If he grows a beard, it's over. Double-chin, definitely over.
  24. I was shocked when Snyder won his first Gold. I won't be shocked by his successes ever again. If they meet, Snyder is the underdog. I happen to believe that he performs better that way.
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