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  1. A few things hurt Cornell that year. 1. Kerber blowing out his knee and wrestling one legged in the NCAAs. He was ranked 5th most of that year. 2. Lewnes losing to Amuch in the semis. Mack was such a nice kid, sucks he could never put it together. The worst was when he had then number 1 seed at 165 and blew out his leg before the tournament and didn't even win a match at NCAAs. 3. Simaz losing a close match to Kilgore. 4. Andrew Long. Long aside, credit to PSU. Cael really did an outstanding job with that team.
  2. Little known point somewhat relevant to this thread: Stieber is actually one month older than Dake. Steiber's dob is 1/24/91. Dake's DOB 2/25/91. True Freshman Dake at 141 was 19. Steiber at 141 this year was 23.
  3. Both are extremely talented. The eyeball test has me subjectively pick Taylor. His style is just pretty to watch. Ruth losing to a gray shirt freshman also factors into my opinion. Many ways to argue this, but at the end of the day, does it matter?
  4. I find that beyond frustrating. Creating an additional NCAA recognized championship shouldn't alter funding in any significant way and shouldn't detract from any other sport. If there needs to be more gender parity, can wrestling team up with a women's sport and advocate they too get an additional "ncaa championship". Again, I think the wrestling community should focus on fighting an arbitrary barrier.
  5. I like the idea of two NCAA awards: a national duals champion and an NCAA tournament champion. This would allow for an exciting dual meet tournament that could be televised and preserve the history of the current tournament. Instead of trying to merge both tournaments, I think the wrestling community should pressure the NCAA into allowing two types of championships.
  6. Marable beat Dake in 2011. That was the summer after Dake won NCAAs at 149 lbs. Dake beat Marable twice in 2012, about a month after he won 157 lbs.
  7. Dake beat Marable not once but twice back when he was a 157 lbr bumping up to 74Kg. This was the same olympic trials where he pinned Taylor. Congrats to Marable. He did very well in a tough tournment. He's very good.
  8. Coon, Zain, and Gabe are all studs. Whoever does best at NCAAs should win the award.
  9. I remember watching Ed Ruth beat Mack Lewnes in the Southern Scuffle semi-finals and thinking: 1) Mack wrestled really sloppy that match, 2) he had no sense of urgency, 3) what a fluke I can understand why a lot of people are blowing off Dean's win right now. I did the same thing four years ago.
  10. Shows how little you know, pal. Listen Pal, It is just my opinion. Dake, P Smith, Ruth, M schultz do NOT belong on the same tier as Gable, Sanderson or Hodge but they belong in the argument sure-I just don't think they are GOAT finalists. 4 titles does not automatically get you in the GOAT conversation. Dake and P smith had 5 or 6 loses. What Gable did with two titles with dominance for three years going 118-1 is a greater feat, in my opinion. The only way to top the GOAT ie Sanderson is to be dominant all 4 years and start as a true freshmen. Almost impossible. Sanderson's feat was amazing and he even had three world medalist to go against in Eggum, Cormier and Vering. No one competing the last 10 years is worthy to be in the GOAT conversation-alright maybe Dake but he had 6 loses and a lot of 1 point wins. Again, my opinion. Dake's record was 137-4.
  11. That could happen. He could also go down as a 2x finalist with only 4 losses.
  12. Last night's events certainly puts this thread in perspective. If Dean and Ruth get the 2 and 3 seeds in the NCAA tourney. Ruth could go down as only a two time finalist.
  13. Not a dominant performance, but he also looked like he wasn't in any danger. There's a practice match of Dake vs. Foster on youtube now.
  14. I'd pick Payton over Eli for just about anybody except the Pats. Re: this thread. David Taylor is really effing good. Arguably, historically good. Dake is better.
  15. Seriously, enough with the pissing matches. They are both amazing, but at the end of the day 5-0 is decisive.
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