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GranbyTroll last won the day on November 8 2018

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  1. GranbyTroll

    Yasar Dogu

    He finished 5th without beating anyone who I recognized. But he did lose decisions to both of the guys who teched Steiber. Lost 0-3 to Olympic Champ/5x World medalist Khinch of Georgia and 2-8 to 2x World medalist Rashidov of Russia.
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    Yasar Dogu

    Loggie Bear beat Opan Sat after the American officials made Sat redraw the ball when they claimed he could see the balls. With his head turned away. Away from the bag that hid the two balls. Balls that were further concealed by little individual bags. Those were the good ole days.
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    Yasar Dogu

    Green is out, no repechage. The Turk blew a 2-1 lead with no time left. Went double handed singlet pull, worse than anything Tsargush ever did. The judge and chairman both white paddled, so Georgia challenged. When the Jury awarded Georgia a point, Turkey pleaded with the table and in English the table ran the video again and yelled at him "Look. You, look. Two hands. Two hands! What you want? Sorry."
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    In terms of actual on the mat scoring calls

    Since the dust has settled, I've come to believe that some USA Wrestling higher-up in the challenge jury decided to uphold the takedown to avoid the appearance of another Yianni/Zain situation. In Gilman/Fix, the officiating crew followed three-man-mechanics properly, the IOWA staff threw the brick relatively quickly after the points went up, and the call was correct, but they denied the challenge because upholding it would have changed the winner with little to no time for the second week in a row.
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    In terms of actual on the mat scoring calls

    It took me a few reads to realize what you're talking about but you're absolutely correct. Everyone called it the "almost takedown" in common parlance, like how the activity period is usually referred to as the "shot clock."
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    In terms of actual on the mat scoring calls

    The "almost takedown" and the "pass behind" were different fiascos. The "almost takedown" was when you had 3 points of contact but weren't all the way behind (I think?) a la how Ramos beat Megaludis to make his first World Team 1-0. It was an attempt to increase offensive scoring in freestyle by rewarding the shooting wrestler. The "pass behind" was apparently an oversight when they moved from 1 to 2 point takedowns in 2013. If you started standing (what we think of as neutral), shot a double leg, and brought your opponent down to the ground that was a "take down" worth 2 points. If you opponent started parterre (what we think of as on the knees) and you just go behind your opponent, you didn't really take them down, you "passed behind" for 1 point. There were a lot of confused Americans hitting snap downs and go behinds for 1 point that year. It was also officiated pretty inconsistently, like stalling in college. Stan Dziedzic tried to explain that this has always been a quirk of European style wrestling, it just never mattered because both were worth 1 point.
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    In terms of actual on the mat scoring calls

    Do you guys remember the first year we got 2 point takedowns, but UWW tried to insist that "go behind" takedowns are only worth 1 point? That was weird.
  8. I coach youth Greco, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. In the first match, I also thought that Schultz had underwhelming parterre defense in that he went to his elbow really quickly and stayed on it, even after getting turned. Does Schultz have more experience excepting parterre defense than I do? Yes. Does that disqualify anyone who has 0 age level world medals from critiquing his positioning? No.
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    Tyler Graff's legacy

    I was very confused by the references to "this years class" in this thread.
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    Final X - Lincoln

    I like Imar's chances to keep it competitive, but not win a match.
  11. Hancock just hit a quick stand up off the whistle in forced par terre in the finals of today's rankings series. The officiating crew gave him a white paddle and put him back down, because you're not allowed to do that, you have to place. Hancock gave them an incredulous "what'd I do???" look and refused to go back down at first. Is someone coaching our Greco guys to do this? I've seen Bey jump 2-3 feet forward off the whistle to the same result before too.
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    Who's the best wrestler you've ever wrestled?

    Coleman Scott 10-0'd me in about a minute at Junior Duals. It haunts me to this day... I was our backup, so I didn't get a ton of matches. When they told me they were throwing me in vs Team PA, I hadn't heard of Coleman and thought this was my chance to prove myself to the coaches. He rolled me up like a carpet and I walked off the mat convinced I was the worst kid to ever wrestle. My therapists is convinced I'll get over it eventually.
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    Nolf to 74kg

    If he makes it to the WTT Finals against Green at 70kg he'll be on the National Team and have an exponentially better chance of making the World Team. Is 154 day of too much of a cut?
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    Jon Jay Chavez 82kg/180lb

    Kendrick Sanders just crushed Chavez, so I guess it didn't work out.
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    Why is it called Final X?

    It's more like our "almost takedown"