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    manyak got a reaction from Coach_J in Mike Pucillo announcement   
    http://news.theopenmat.com/2015/03/pucillo-leans-on-friendship-to-ease-difficult-decision/
     
     
    I hope this leads to a more tolerant environment at wrestling rooms and locker rooms around the country.
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    manyak got a reaction from Buckxell in Mike Pucillo announcement   
    http://news.theopenmat.com/2015/03/pucillo-leans-on-friendship-to-ease-difficult-decision/
     
     
    I hope this leads to a more tolerant environment at wrestling rooms and locker rooms around the country.
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    manyak got a reaction from Yellow_Medal in Mike Pucillo announcement   
    http://news.theopenmat.com/2015/03/pucillo-leans-on-friendship-to-ease-difficult-decision/
     
     
    I hope this leads to a more tolerant environment at wrestling rooms and locker rooms around the country.
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    manyak reacted to LemonPie in Evans   
    He's also two points away from losing every match
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    manyak got a reaction from 2td3nf in Russian youth training   
    I'm not saying some of the coaches, especially the ones who spent the vast majority of their competitive and coaching career in the Soviet system, don't have some sort of coaching doctrine or system passed down from on high, but look at that article. His entire career in Russia was before the USSR fell and he spent time in Kiev and Kaliningrand.
     
    No where does it say he spent some time in the North Caucasus. You need to get rid of the idea of one Russia or one USSR or one giant group of 'Russian' people. There are many different ethnic groups in Russia, just like there are many in China and other countries.
     
    The Caucasian people I refer to mean the ethnic groups in the Caucasus mountains. In Russia this is not a catch all term for white or European, it is actually the opposite. Russians do not consider Caucasians white at all.
     
    I don't want to lecture people or be pedantic, but Caucasian people speak different languages, are from different ethnic backgrounds, usually have a different religion, and have a totally different culture than 'Russians'. Most Caucasus people do not consider themselves Russian. A Dagestani would root for a Dagestani wrestler representing Turkey.
     
    There have been many wars and much blood spilled over this division. The Caucasus were forcibly conquered and as recently as a few years ago there is still heavy fighting there. The Caucasus is actually famous for producing really hardened jihadis that they export to terror cells in the middle east and elsewhere.
     
    Here is a map of Russia with the different regions. Russia is the largest country on earth and has many many different smaller 'countries' or republics contained in it. A Ukrainian in Kiev has MUCH more in common culturally, genetically, and linguistically to a Russian in Moscow or St. Petersburg than an Avar in Dagestan.
     
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Russian_Regions-EN.svg
     
    Here is a lingustic map of the Caucasus to show you just how much diversity exists in that region alone:
     
    http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2240063/Ethnic_Groups_In_Caucasus_Region_2009.jpg
     
    In general, ethnic Russians and Caucasians do not get along. There is extreme racism against Caucasians in primarily Russian areas like Moscow and they are called 'black' and other names by 'white' Russians there. When I was in Moscow with a group of Caucasians and they dared ask a Russian for the time or spoke to them in any other manner they were ignored or treated poorly. In the Caucasus there are still terrorist attacks against the Russian authorities, not to mention all out war in 2008, and the mid and late 90s.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Russia
     
    Almost the entire Russian national freestyle wrestling team is made up of ethnic Caucasians. The other ethnic groups represented are Asian ethnic minorities from Yakutia, Tuva, Buryatia, etc. Think Viktor Lebedev and Opan Sat. Think of any Russian wrestler in the last 10 years, has any of them looked Russian with light hair and light eyes? They are almost all Muslim Caucasians. Even a lot of the wrestlers representing Ukraine, Belarus, and other former Soviet republics are Caucasians who had no previous ties to those countries. Elbrus Tedeev, Ibragim Aldatov, Khetag Gazuymov, Artur Taymazov.. those are all Caucasian names. Opan Sat is now wrestling for Turkey. He is Tuvan and oddly enough they speak a Turkic language over there, so I guess he has some ties to 'Turkey' even though 99% of Americans would think he was Chinese if they saw him.
     
    In the past, under the Soviet system, there were great wrestlers from every region of Russia. The Belaglozov brothers come from Kaliningrad, an area deep within Europe. Alexander Medved is Belarussian. Karelin is Russian I believe. There have been Ukrainian wrestlers, Jewish wrestlers, etc who have won gold medals for the USSR. This is no longer the case with Russia in freestyle wrestling. All the coaches are now Caucasian. Most of the non-Caucasian coaches left for other countries, which is why you may have had much more exposure to them.
     
    Check out the names:
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_and_Russian_results_in_men%27s_freestyle_wrestling
     
    Russians today are no longer interested in wrestling. They play soccer and hockey.
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    manyak got a reaction from armspin in Russian youth training   
    I'm not saying some of the coaches, especially the ones who spent the vast majority of their competitive and coaching career in the Soviet system, don't have some sort of coaching doctrine or system passed down from on high, but look at that article. His entire career in Russia was before the USSR fell and he spent time in Kiev and Kaliningrand.
     
    No where does it say he spent some time in the North Caucasus. You need to get rid of the idea of one Russia or one USSR or one giant group of 'Russian' people. There are many different ethnic groups in Russia, just like there are many in China and other countries.
     
    The Caucasian people I refer to mean the ethnic groups in the Caucasus mountains. In Russia this is not a catch all term for white or European, it is actually the opposite. Russians do not consider Caucasians white at all.
     
    I don't want to lecture people or be pedantic, but Caucasian people speak different languages, are from different ethnic backgrounds, usually have a different religion, and have a totally different culture than 'Russians'. Most Caucasus people do not consider themselves Russian. A Dagestani would root for a Dagestani wrestler representing Turkey.
     
    There have been many wars and much blood spilled over this division. The Caucasus were forcibly conquered and as recently as a few years ago there is still heavy fighting there. The Caucasus is actually famous for producing really hardened jihadis that they export to terror cells in the middle east and elsewhere.
     
    Here is a map of Russia with the different regions. Russia is the largest country on earth and has many many different smaller 'countries' or republics contained in it. A Ukrainian in Kiev has MUCH more in common culturally, genetically, and linguistically to a Russian in Moscow or St. Petersburg than an Avar in Dagestan.
     
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Russian_Regions-EN.svg
     
    Here is a lingustic map of the Caucasus to show you just how much diversity exists in that region alone:
     
    http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2240063/Ethnic_Groups_In_Caucasus_Region_2009.jpg
     
    In general, ethnic Russians and Caucasians do not get along. There is extreme racism against Caucasians in primarily Russian areas like Moscow and they are called 'black' and other names by 'white' Russians there. When I was in Moscow with a group of Caucasians and they dared ask a Russian for the time or spoke to them in any other manner they were ignored or treated poorly. In the Caucasus there are still terrorist attacks against the Russian authorities, not to mention all out war in 2008, and the mid and late 90s.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Russia
     
    Almost the entire Russian national freestyle wrestling team is made up of ethnic Caucasians. The other ethnic groups represented are Asian ethnic minorities from Yakutia, Tuva, Buryatia, etc. Think Viktor Lebedev and Opan Sat. Think of any Russian wrestler in the last 10 years, has any of them looked Russian with light hair and light eyes? They are almost all Muslim Caucasians. Even a lot of the wrestlers representing Ukraine, Belarus, and other former Soviet republics are Caucasians who had no previous ties to those countries. Elbrus Tedeev, Ibragim Aldatov, Khetag Gazuymov, Artur Taymazov.. those are all Caucasian names. Opan Sat is now wrestling for Turkey. He is Tuvan and oddly enough they speak a Turkic language over there, so I guess he has some ties to 'Turkey' even though 99% of Americans would think he was Chinese if they saw him.
     
    In the past, under the Soviet system, there were great wrestlers from every region of Russia. The Belaglozov brothers come from Kaliningrad, an area deep within Europe. Alexander Medved is Belarussian. Karelin is Russian I believe. There have been Ukrainian wrestlers, Jewish wrestlers, etc who have won gold medals for the USSR. This is no longer the case with Russia in freestyle wrestling. All the coaches are now Caucasian. Most of the non-Caucasian coaches left for other countries, which is why you may have had much more exposure to them.
     
    Check out the names:
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_and_Russian_results_in_men%27s_freestyle_wrestling
     
    Russians today are no longer interested in wrestling. They play soccer and hockey.
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    manyak got a reaction from Buckxell in Russian youth training   
    Every time this topic comes up on this forum or other forums people with no experience with wrestling in Russia make wild assumptions about some Ivan Drago Soviet style national sports program, some ultra organized system with hand picked kids or they say Russian wrestling is better because they focus on playing and exploring technique rather than live wrestling or its because of cross over from other wrestling styles like Judo or Sambo.

    I don't know why it's so hard to accept that freestyle wrestling is the national sport for several republics of Russia and that they are very serious about it. People don't seem to think there is some magical system for producing baseball players in Cuba. The kids are poor and there is nothing to do except play baseball and so they play baseball a lot more than most American kids. The US was only ever competitive with Russia in the past because of the size of our population.
     
    People argue all the time that we push kids too hard or make them wrestle too much or too many matches. Maybe that's true in a minority of extreme cases, but from what I've seen of most high school wrestlers, they don't wrestle nearly enough and go months without practicing. I would say the average 15 year old wrestler in the Caucasus is way, way more serious about wrestling than the average 15 year old high school wrestler in the US. They have access to more practices and better coaches and the training is free. They don't need USA wrestling cards or club memberships.
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    manyak got a reaction from 2td3nf in Russian youth training   
    Every time this topic comes up on this forum or other forums people with no experience with wrestling in Russia make wild assumptions about some Ivan Drago Soviet style national sports program, some ultra organized system with hand picked kids or they say Russian wrestling is better because they focus on playing and exploring technique rather than live wrestling or its because of cross over from other wrestling styles like Judo or Sambo.

    I don't know why it's so hard to accept that freestyle wrestling is the national sport for several republics of Russia and that they are very serious about it. People don't seem to think there is some magical system for producing baseball players in Cuba. The kids are poor and there is nothing to do except play baseball and so they play baseball a lot more than most American kids. The US was only ever competitive with Russia in the past because of the size of our population.
     
    People argue all the time that we push kids too hard or make them wrestle too much or too many matches. Maybe that's true in a minority of extreme cases, but from what I've seen of most high school wrestlers, they don't wrestle nearly enough and go months without practicing. I would say the average 15 year old wrestler in the Caucasus is way, way more serious about wrestling than the average 15 year old high school wrestler in the US. They have access to more practices and better coaches and the training is free. They don't need USA wrestling cards or club memberships.
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    manyak got a reaction from Buckxell in Russian youth training   
    Many top wrestlers study 'sport' in school which really means they just train. Education can be a joke in Russia, there are many scandals of people just buying degrees or gifting them. Things are not at all like the NCAA system we have here or even the high school system.
     
    The coaches in the Caucasus are much better than American high school coaches, they know a lot more and have much more experience coaching usually. I've seen some terrible high school coaches, that wouldn't happen in the Caucasus because there is so much athletic and coaching talent in such a small region.
     
    My friend didn't start wrestling til 13 or 14 but achieved very good results even at the senior level. People told me Aslanbek Kushtov (2008 96 kg Greco Gold medalist) didn't start wrestling til he was 18 and was a converted weight lifter. It isn't true that there is some Ivan Drago Soviet style sports system where everything is extremely regimented and they test kids for their athletic talent and recruit them. This happens in China, not in the Russian North Caucasus and Siberia. Wrestling is just the national sport of many different 'nations' in Russia. That is the biggest reason for their success. If there was some giant Soviet style sport system where they recruited the most talented youths from all around Russia and put them in sports school you would see a lot more ethnic Russians wrestling instead of ethnic minorities (mostly Muslim Caucasians and Asians as opposed to 'white' Russians) unless you believe that ethnic Russians are genetically inferior or something.
     
    Wrestling in Russia is dominated by a few regions that have very small populations. The vast majority of ethnic Russians do not care about wrestling at all.
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    manyak got a reaction from Buckxell in Russian youth training   
    Russian Youth Wrestling:




    Who says they don't go hard? I don't think you'll ever see this in an American wrestling practice!

     

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    manyak got a reaction from Buckxell in Russian youth training   
    The first video is actual wrestling.
     
    Why shouldn't it be used as an intensity argument? Their wrestling and sports culture is totally different. I'm tired of reading that Russian youth practices are all fun and games and gymnastics when I've been to the Caucasus and that isn't what I've seen. Kids there wrestle hard and are tough. The coaches yell at the kids. There is no goofing off. The culture there is much 'harder' and more serious than that of the US. There are strict rules for respecting your elders. A coach will slap you in the face if you disobey them.
     
    The reason why Russia develops better wrestlers than the US (aside from the fact that we do folkstyle) is that the places that practice wrestling there view it as their national sport and they practice very hard year round under very strict coaches. The places that practice wrestling there are not well off and are usually Muslim. Girls, video games, drink and drugs are not as big of a factor. In the US most high school kids barely wrestle in the off season. In Russia serious kids practice twice a day when they don't have school and they do this year round.
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    manyak got a reaction from 2td3nf in Russian youth training   
    The first video is actual wrestling.
     
    Why shouldn't it be used as an intensity argument? Their wrestling and sports culture is totally different. I'm tired of reading that Russian youth practices are all fun and games and gymnastics when I've been to the Caucasus and that isn't what I've seen. Kids there wrestle hard and are tough. The coaches yell at the kids. There is no goofing off. The culture there is much 'harder' and more serious than that of the US. There are strict rules for respecting your elders. A coach will slap you in the face if you disobey them.
     
    The reason why Russia develops better wrestlers than the US (aside from the fact that we do folkstyle) is that the places that practice wrestling there view it as their national sport and they practice very hard year round under very strict coaches. The places that practice wrestling there are not well off and are usually Muslim. Girls, video games, drink and drugs are not as big of a factor. In the US most high school kids barely wrestle in the off season. In Russia serious kids practice twice a day when they don't have school and they do this year round.
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    manyak got a reaction from WreslingSuperior in Russian youth training   
    Many top wrestlers study 'sport' in school which really means they just train. Education can be a joke in Russia, there are many scandals of people just buying degrees or gifting them. Things are not at all like the NCAA system we have here or even the high school system.
     
    The coaches in the Caucasus are much better than American high school coaches, they know a lot more and have much more experience coaching usually. I've seen some terrible high school coaches, that wouldn't happen in the Caucasus because there is so much athletic and coaching talent in such a small region.
     
    My friend didn't start wrestling til 13 or 14 but achieved very good results even at the senior level. People told me Aslanbek Kushtov (2008 96 kg Greco Gold medalist) didn't start wrestling til he was 18 and was a converted weight lifter. It isn't true that there is some Ivan Drago Soviet style sports system where everything is extremely regimented and they test kids for their athletic talent and recruit them. This happens in China, not in the Russian North Caucasus and Siberia. Wrestling is just the national sport of many different 'nations' in Russia. That is the biggest reason for their success. If there was some giant Soviet style sport system where they recruited the most talented youths from all around Russia and put them in sports school you would see a lot more ethnic Russians wrestling instead of ethnic minorities (mostly Muslim Caucasians and Asians as opposed to 'white' Russians) unless you believe that ethnic Russians are genetically inferior or something.
     
    Wrestling in Russia is dominated by a few regions that have very small populations. The vast majority of ethnic Russians do not care about wrestling at all.
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    manyak got a reaction from GoNotQuietly in Yarygin 2015 Finals videos here   
    125 kg final: 97 kg final: 86 kg final: 74 kg final: 70 kg final: 65 kg final: 61 kg final: 57 kg final:   Very good semi-final matches 86 kg: 61 kg:   Pico's loss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eZRvQeK8hE
    Looks like Saidov is back in a big way. People in another thread said he was pretty much out of international wrestling after switching to Belarus after a dip his PED-fueled success.

    Urishev seems to be a clear #2 or #3 in Russia and I like his style a lot but he probably won't get another chance on the world stage, his hair is grey now.

    Bogomoev and Lebedev looked great but they are inconsistent lately.   Metcalf made a lot of strides since 2013's finals performance and almost won.   Howe should have won that finals match, maybe he isn't the 4th best 74kg wrestler in the US and will leapfrog some guys. Dake is always injured now, Burroughs is injured and maybe has been 'figured out' by some people, and Taylor isn't competing in the tough events.   Pico looked like a talented boy wrestling a man.
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    manyak reacted to Jaroslav Hasek in Yarygin 2015 74 kg (Howe) and 57 kg finals videos   
    it a metonym.
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    manyak reacted to Jaroslav Hasek in Yarygin Videos   
    wrestdag.com is posting a bunch on youtube.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDkOuMetM0ahN9wzknZCuNA
     
    61 final Bogomoev v Kuular

     
    70 final (dont know these guys)

     
    65 final Harold Brent v Bekbulatov

     
    65 quarters Emeev v Ganzorig

     
    61 semis Bogo v Otar

     
    Howe's final and Pico's one match have already been posted but theyre on the same youtube channel. 
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    manyak got a reaction from GoNotQuietly in Yarygin 2015 74 kg (Howe) and 57 kg finals videos   
    Looks like Howe should have won the match, maybe needs to be a bit sharper on finishes.

    Here is Lebedev's victory:

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    manyak reacted to TheRealOne9050 in Adam Saitiev Highlights   
    That go-behind series is stunning, wow. John Smith used to score points that way. Adam and John had in common a powerful shuck also, even though the execution was not the same.
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    manyak got a reaction from Cletus_Tucker in Shamil Erdogan (Akhmedov) and PEDs in Intl Wrestling   
    Actually, they do with PED use. There are more androgen receptors in the trap and delt muscles. I know it sounds like broscience, but it's true.
     
    You can google 'androgen receptor density'. Different muscle groups respond differently to anabolic hormones.
    Here is a study about it:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10664066
     
     
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