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  1. 2 minutes ago, spladle08 said:
    3 minutes ago, CA_Wrestler said:
    We'll see...if he wins on Jan 25th, you never know.   He just might show up at the Last Chance qualifier.

    He should win that fight but why only if he wins

    Just because if he loses again, his mind not be right even though he'd be going back to wrestling for a short time.  Money...if he wins, way more money(show/win bonus) to do what he wants, but if he loses, way less and more pressure to win his next MMA fight.  He should have won that last night against Borics.  He was controlling the match and got caught with that flying knee. 

    If he did actually win the Last Chance qualifier, he'd have to give up MMA training until the OTT/Olympics(if he won the OTT) and focus on wrestling. Missed time is money for him since he's a professional fighter. 

     

    We'll see, who knows.


  2. 6 minutes ago, Red95 said:

    Could also be living with his parents rather than on campus. I think he’s from Paramus and from there it’s a lot easier to get into NYC than down to New Brunswick. 

    NY RTC is in Hoboken, but yeah he probably is living at home.  Paramus to Hoboken is around 20 minutes with no traffic.  Paramus to New Brunswick is about an hour.


  3. 1 hour ago, scramble said:

    That was a great job by MyMar.  I don't take to much away from that loss. I think Ringer gets him next time.  With that said, If J'Den goes down and Tayler is there I don't think it matters.  Also after Bo's U23 he is right there too. No matter what USA is in great shape here.

    Where I think this really benefits Ringer is if he actually doesn't make the team.  He can probably get down to 79Kg, and he will have probably been competing with at least 3 guys that will be better than anyone in the World that will be at 79Kg.  Crazy to think Ringer could be anywhere from 3-5 in the U.S. and still potentially pull of Gold at 79Kg during the Olympic Year. 

    Are they actually still having a Senior WC next year for non-OLympic weights?


  4. On 12/8/2019 at 12:07 PM, treep2000 said:

    Athletes are athletes, regardless of sports.  Wrestling and BJJ have such a close relationship, that it's definitely correct to think that a world level wrestler would do well in BJJ.  However, I argue that if you took a teenage BJJ phenom and had him or her train wrestling for 2 years, then the same could be said for them as well.  

    Also, I wouldnt slam BJJ guys so quickly... It's just a different style and there are plenty of BAMF's out there that could tap a macho wrestler in a heartbeat.  

    In all this, we should be embracing the similarities and exploring the differences in both arts.  Both are fantastic.  Both are fun.  Both have a special place in my life.

    Not slamming BJJ guys are all.  I'm just saying a top level wrestler would do well in BJJ if they trained full-time and understood those positions.  BJJ guys would as well.  An yeah, there are definitely BJJ guys who would tap any wrestler with no problems.  I know BJJ very well having competed at the Joe Moriera Pan Ams and a lot of the other tourneys back in the day.    That's when you would see all of the schools there except for Royce and Rorion's school because they had some association that didn't allow to compete against other schools that weren't in the association.  You'd see these guys and guys from their schools Rickson, Renzo, Ralph, Allan Goes, Gene Lebell, Carlson, Carley, Relson, Machados, Andre Pedeneiras, sometimes guys like Sperry, Carlos Baretto, Wallid, etc...

     

    Carlson Gracie(Gracie Barra) from Brazil would always win the most medals and the Machado schools would be 2nd most.

    I definitely embrace both because I've competed in both.

     


  5. Just now, AZ_wrestling said:

    This is partially true. I agree that Bo had next to no chance to win this event. Even more laughable is anyone who thought Bo had a chance of landing a submission (looking at you Mokoma). That said, don’t compare ADCC accomplishments to that of high level wrestling. To say the competition in Bjj and no-go grappling is considerably less than in wrestling would be an understatement. There are many examples of guys with limited submission experience winning at the highest levels in these sports. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 1-2 years Bo was able to place at ADCC. 

    He definitely would be able to medal at ADCC if training full-time and being more comfortable/understanding positions with more limited experience.  Just look at Mark Kerr(although massively juiced on roids) Tito, Matt Hughes and all of the wrestlers who competed at ADCC when it first started.  The main thing is getting takedowns that transition into submission attempts or possible threats.  Not just throwing a guy for points or getting a takedown for points.


  6. 46 minutes ago, treep2000 said:

    I thought Bo represented well also.  His suplex was fun... His ability to handfight kept it competitive.  In this form of grappling though...  As soon as Gordon grabs you and closes the distance, it's game over.  He (Gordon) is the Pinnacle of the sport, and seemed to have a good time going about it.  In a pure wrestling match, Bo will destroy him easily.  In a pure no gi ADCC or IBJJF ruleset march, Gordon wins this in the first few minutes, if not faster.  Kudos to both for putting on this show and helping make both complementary sports more accessible and exciting.  

    My professor (BJJ Black Belt) at my school made a great analogy.  Think of each sports objective as "opening a door".  In wrestling, you run right through the door.  In BJJ, you walk up to the door, turn the handle, open the door, shut the door behind you, and finish the sequence by locking the door.  The analogy, in my opinion, is spot on!

    Wrestling fans thinking that Bo actually forced Gordon into the position for that suplex when Gordon was clearly trying to initiate contact(donkey guard) to transition for a submission.

    Gordon specializes in leglocks and if they had those, Bo would have been done way faster.  That's like them both agreeing to do a folkstyle match and Bo couldn't attack the legs and only had to go upper body.  Bo would win handily, but not as quick as he would be full folk rules.

    All wrestlers should just give props to Bo for stepping up and stop whining so much like butthurt crybabies.  I've seen at least one  poster from here/Hawkeye board whining on Flo's twitter.

    Dumbest statement about a SUBMISSION GRAPPLING match.

    "But, but, but...put a wrestling ref in there and see what happens!"

    If Gordon and Bo do a freestyle or folk match, then all of the wrestling fans will rejoice when Bo techs, ragdolls or pins him because that's what'll happen.


  7. 2 hours ago, AnklePicker said:

    That’s what I thought too until I saw a local guy around my parts Nick Rodriguez nearly win the ADCC with only a year of training. Please explain. 

    All you have to do is look where Nick trained 2-3 times a day.  At Renzo's.  Where did Bo do any real hardcore submission grappling training? compared to a guy like Nick?  There are always going to be guys that are an anomaly, like Nick.  The thing is, Nick wasn't competing for the World team spot(like Bo) or had a legit shot at making the USA Wrestling senior world team.  Some ex-wrestlers just take to submission grappling/BJJ much better than others because being on your back(and being comortable) and positioning in wrestling compared to submission grappling is the complete opposite.


  8. 45 minutes ago, grappler111 said:

    Another example with United World Wrestling grappling rules. In the second match the wrestler was forced to fight on the ground but the bjj guy was unable to take the wrestler down!

     

     

     

     

     

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    I'am agree about the highest wrestling level/knowledge of Snyder or Cox but in this Grappling format you are forced by ruleset and referee to fight on the ground after a takedown so the bjj guy has a big advantage.

    I do not like this Grappling format because if you are unable to talking down you must lose.

    Infact wrestling is better than bjj in mma.

     

     

    That's because it's not a wrestling match or an MMA match.  It's called a submission grappling match for a reason.

    Only ignorant people would think Bo would have won even though any leg submissions weren't allowed.  If Bo were training submission grappling full time for years instead of wrestling then he might have had a shot, but the wrestling crowd has no idea how good you have to be to win the ADCC World Championships.

    That's like submission grappling fans disregarding Bo's wrestling accomplishments and thinking Gordon would beat Bo in folk or free.  Just not going to happen.


  9. 10 minutes ago, Billyhoyle said:

    Cox or Snyder would have easily won.   Bo just needs a bit more freestyle experience before he can destroy anybody in BJJ.  Like all BJJ athletes, Bo has zero experience competing in the olympics-something that would make Cox or Snyder easily beat anyone in BJJ. 

    How does freestyle experience equate to being good at BJJ?  They competed in a modified rules submission grappling match with half of the submissions not allowed.  A straight BJJ or sport BJJ match is completely different.  That's like having both of them compete in a folkstyle match with no leg takedowns allowed.


  10. 2 hours ago, grappler111 said:

    2-2 until 2 minutes at the end vs the best submission grappler in the world. And this is the proof about the ineffectiveness of bjj without wrestling.

    Any "grappling" incorporates some kind wrestling.

    It was a modified submission grappling match, not a BJJ match.

    If it were a straight BJJ match OR a submission grappling match with leglocks/ankle locks allowed, then Bo would have been submitted within the first few minutes.


  11. 5 hours ago, manyak said:

    Why is everyone so butt hurt? Of course Bo wasn't going to win. There is no conspiracy.

    Because people are stupid and have no idea about submission grappling since they've never done it.

    Plus, they thought Bo would actually win in this kind of match since he's a 3x NCAA Champion and a U23 "World Champion"...LMAO.  Even stupider.


  12. 1 hour ago, Plasmodium said:

    'Practice' is easy.  Competing against accomplished practitioners of a sport is much harder.  St. Pierre practiced wrestling and he would get annihilated in a wrestling match.

    So, you mean Bo is going to get annihilated as well?

     

    Just flew over your head 10000%.  What I'm referring to is that grappler111 was saying that the 2 guys I referenced earlier- Frank Shamrock and Matt Hume didn't practice BJJ and incorporate it into their submission grappling just because they are "Pankration" and "Catch Wrestling".   St. Pierre was the best MMA wrestler even though he lists "Karate" as his background when he was dominating the UFC in the WW division.  Those are facts and I'm not talking about a wrestling match.  We're talking about a submission grappling match here.


  13. 11 minutes ago, AHamilton said:

    Remember Monday going for a pro wrestling "Boston Crab" and just feeding his leg to Hume?  That didn't work out so well for him.

    I feel that wrestlers would be more prepared for avoiding such foolishness today.  However, from a spectator's perspective, no gi BJJ has really grown too.

    It is funny, but if you look at former high school wrestler and no-gi expert Eddie Bravo's 10th Planet BJJ system, a number of the submissions are just high school wrestling holds modified a little for BJJ.  The "twister" comes to mind.

    Yeah, I dunno why Monday did that.  Just really inexperienced in those positions.   It was like "Here's my leg, please submit me".

     

    Yep, No GI BJJ  has grown exponentially compared to back in the early 90s.  Everything used to be gi only, then ADCC came around and really made no gi grappling explode.  Especially because Americans started to compete and win like Kerr, Ricco Rodriguez, Tito, etc.


  14. 5 hours ago, grappler111 said:

    Hume Is a Pankration athlete and Shamrock has catch as catch can wrestling background. They are not bjj bb.

    The best ruleset is UWW Nogi Grappling style in my opinion. -2 point for the guard and point for takedowns, throws and ground positions.

     

    The main trouble for Bo is called roids. The ground grappler has a big advantage...

     

    You're trying to pretend like Hume and Shamrock didn't practice BJJ....

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