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  1. 4 hours ago, ufo said:

    Susaki/Irie is an interesting selection dilemma:

    You have Susaki who is undefeated internationally, 2x world champ (aged 18 and 19) and crushed the field last time out, looks all set to be the star & 'face' of the team for your home Olympics. If I was coach I'd be completely confident of Susaki winning gold in 2020.

    ...but then there is Irie who must be a bad/awkward match for Susaki as they trade wins in domestic tournaments with Irie coming out on top slightly more often. However Irie has fallen short several times at the global level and has no world titles yet. If I was coach I would not be completely confident of Irie winning gold in 2020.
    But, she just won the selection battle again & your own rules say if she even gets a Bronze at worlds this year then she goes to Tokyo... what a headache. ;)

    I'd definitely be more confident with Susaki winning gold in 2020.  Irie is just a bad matchup for Susaki in matches.  Doesn't help that Susaki's elbow isn't 100% from when she dislocated it in practice last year.

  2. 5 minutes ago, pamela said:

    It will look pretty bad for Japan’s wrestling federation if there’s no wrestle-off for the Olympics, assuming Kawai (and the others) medal at Worlds, because Sakae was the reason Icho stepped away and people may speculate that he’s pulling strings behind the scenes to keep Icho locked out - even though he’s banned from the sport. 

    It will also be embarrassing if Japan changes up their Olympic team selection process after the fact. 

    I’m interested in seeing what Icho and the other wrestlers might do from a PR perspective. Culturally it may be out of the norm to complain publicly about the rules, so maybe they won’t say anything, but it will probably be up to the athletes, coaches, and fans to speak up if they want Japan Wrestling to open up the process. Could be a real mess.

    Yeah, it definitely could be a really bad mess.  Especially because what are the 2nd place Japan WTT supposed to do this year and next?  If they're not able to compete for the World championships this year and try to qualify for the 2020 Olympics, that's basically almost a year of competing for nothing besides staying sharp and being on the national team.  I'm sure UWW will probably hold another one of those World Championships that didn't have Olympic weights, but the top wrestlers aren't there for the most part.

    Imagine if for some reason Pat Downey medaled this year at 86, Burroughs medals(I'm expecting him to win, Cox medals(I'm expecting him to win)  and Snyder medals(I'm expecting him to win) , then DT would be off the team.  Dake would be also be off the team with no chance to compete at a trial.  That would be insane.

  3. 8 hours ago, pamela said:

    WOW, what’s the story with Icho?? I feel like that is the biggest story, not to take anything away from Kawai who is a hammer. 

    Did she have enough time since returning to the sport to get the rust out? I really hope she doesn’t retire - I want to see her compete in the 2020 Olympics. The coaching scandal stuff will make a huge mess out of whatever process Japan puts in place (or even if they just let it be) for their Olympic team next year.

    I don't know if Icho was back long enough.  She was right there with Kawai, which is crazy after taking 2 years off and not competing.

    With the way Japan put in the 2020 qualification criteria- If you're on the 2019 team and medal, that guarantees your 2020 spot, we probably won't see Icho, Susaki, Okuno and a bunch of other world champs from Japan.  This is why I'm wondering if they're going to do a playoff.  Returning medalist has a spot in the final and then the tournament winner battles the returning medalist.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens by next year.

  4. There will be a new 50kg rep for Japan as Yuki Irie knocked off Yui Susaki(2x defending senior WC) 6-1.  Susaki beat Irie last month 6-2 at All-Japan.  This will be interesting because they are clearly the #1 and #2 in the world at 50kg.  Irie is the only person to have beaten Susaki(3 or 4 times now).  Unless some fluke happens at the World Championships, Irie is going to medal(high chance of winning) and that means that Susaki will not be or have the chance to be on the 2020 team.  I'm interested to see if the Japan Wrestling Federation is really going to keep those 2020 qualification rules.

    Risako Kawai beat Kaori Icho 3-3 on criteria

    Otoguro also beat Rei Higuchi in the playoff to become of the 2019 rep at 65kg.  Higuchi teched him last month.

  5. 23 hours ago, pamela said:

    That's a solid Rushmore...  Stephen Neal, Patricia Miranda, Jamill Kelly, Townsend Saunders are all senior level World/Olympic medalists for the alternate mountain haha. There's another CA guy from the 80s whose name comes up every now and then in these types of discussions, but the name slips my mind right now... multiple medals in Greco I think.

    Oh yeah, just because I didn't list Miranda, Jamil and Townsend, I didn't forget about them.  The crazy thing about Jamil is that he never won a state title, then goes to Ok State, later on wins the Olympic trials, then got silver :(

  6. 7 hours ago, fadzaev2 said:

    Pretty hard not to have Stephen Neal up there....2 time NCAA Champion, 4 time All-American, undefeated last 2 years, World Champion and FILA International  Freestyle Wrestler of the Year, played with the New England Patriots 10 years and has 3 Super Bowl rings.

    Neal definitely did great, but I would pick Varner just because he was a 2x CA state champ(3x finalist), 2x NCAA Div 1 champ(4x finalist) and won the Olympic title.  NFL accomplishments don't mean anything if you're talking about a wrestling Mt. Rushmore, but if Neal would have placed higher his NCAA freshman year(4th), then I think I would have probably had him over Varner.

  7. 57 minutes ago, PSUSMC said:

    + David Lee (1st 3 time CA HS State Champ, NCAA DI Champ, multi-time NCAA DI AA), Greg Gibson (World freestyle and Olympic Greco medals, 2X NCAA finalist), Darrell Vasquez (1st 4x CA HS State Champ, multi-time NCAA DI AA)

    I don't think Vasquez belongs there.  Morgan McIntosh had a slightly better career(HS+college) even though Vasquez was the first to win 4 state titles.  I would put Anthony Valencia over Vasquez and McIntosh just because Valencia has done infinitely more at BIG HS national tournaments(Ironman) folkstyle/freestyle national teams/world team(cadet/jr/sr).

  8. 27 minutes ago, Gantry said:

    Does this apply to the women's team?   Let's face it - at a couple weights they likely have two best wrestlers in the world and for all but the heaviest weights bronze is a disappointment for them.   It's such a bad idea and there's no doubt it won't get them their best team.  

    Same for the women's team.  It's crazy how deep their entire team is for gearing up to the Olympics.  Almost every competitor on the womens side is a multiple time cadet/junior/senior world champion and at several weights this past weekend, the 2-3x defending senior world champs battled against each other for the team spot.


    Otoguro and Higuchi is going to be a high scoring match.


  9. 22 minutes ago, jeffrideal said:

    I wonder what the story is with Reece leaving tOSU a few years ago.  No room for him with Trevel?  Seems like ORTC missed out on a great coach.  

    Reece went to go be the head coach at San Marino HS, which is pretty much the HQ for Titan Mercury WC.  He took that job after John Acevedo left for another HS head coaching job.

  10. On 5/7/2019 at 1:31 PM, Sublime607 said:

    Lol really he hasn't given you the feeling yet that he has something in him that only a few people in the world have and that's the ability to always find a way to win. Zains not beating him why would you want him to he hasn't gotten the job done on the international level.


  11. 1 hour ago, wrestlingnerd said:

    I don’t think anybody overlooked Retherford. They just voted with their hearts. Zain is outstanding but I’d rather have Yianni on the team. Fresh blood, more upside, and a very hard style to face the first time. 

    That's what I wanted as well, but Retherford executed perfectly and good luck to him!

  12. 39 minutes ago, wrestlingnerd said:

    Rooting for Yianni but props to Zain on a very well-executed game plan. Got off several attacks each period with quick finishes. Really well done. 

    Didn't the Cornell homers get mad at me right after the US Open for saying that they shouldn't be overlooking Retherford so easily?  I'm not even a fan of Retherford and I could see that.

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