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  1. On 5/5/2021 at 12:07 AM, ShakaAloha said:

    Good choice by Japan.  I think Takahashi gets the weight qualified.

    Well, he did it.

     

    Now he's going to have another playoff match with Rei Higuchi because of this whole situation of Higuchi missing weight and having to go qualify the weight.  That match is going to be really interesting because their last match that Higuchi won to be Japan's rep was 7-6 and really damn close.


  2. 22 hours ago, portajohn said:

    Yes Folkstyle results should count for all four years.  I can't recall Pico ever placing at a prestigious wrestling tournament like Kolat did at Midlands his Sophmore and Junior years in folkstyle.  I could be wrong.  What year was Pico when he lost to Dean Heil at Super 32s?  When you look at their entire High School careers Kolat won more titles, won at Senior Level competition in Freestlye and beat collegiate wrestlers & placed in a prestigious tournament in Folkstyle

    lol...I think you're forgetting that by the time Pico was in high school, high school students weren't allowed to compete in "prestigious wrestling tournaments like Midlands" since it was against NCAA rules, right?

     

    What other "prestigious" folk tournaments could he win besides winning all of them(high school)?  The only one he lost was on a homer call for Heil in the Super 32 finals.


  3. On 4/13/2021 at 3:43 AM, goStanford18 said:

    I don't think any CA wrestler has gone 4 for 4 and undefeated in high school. CA has had four 4-timers: Jesse Vasquez, Seth Nevills, Justin Mejia, and Darrell Vasquez. Personally, I wouldn't put any of them in my top 15 from CA--even solely based on high school accomplishments. 

     

    IMO, the CA HS GOAT has to be Aaron Pico--and I don't think it's close. He was only 42-0 and a 1x state champion, but his national/world accomplishments on the freestyle circuit probably make him the GOAT HS wrestler. IIRC, Pico was in the high school class of 2016. So before he finished high school, he was: 

    - 2012 Walsh Ironman Champ 

    - 2013 CA State Champ

    - 2013 Cadet World Gold

    - 2014 Junior World Silver (runner-up to Yazdani)

    - 2015 Junior World Bronze 

    - 2016 Olympic Trials Finalist (runner-up to Molinaro)

     

    Some guys he beat in that time frame: Micah Jordan, Joey McKenna, Zain Retherford, Jayson Ness, Jordan Oliver, Reece Humphrey. 

     

    If Pico is excluded from the discussion, then it would be really tough to pick a HS GOAT from CA. Here are some options: 

    - Zahid Valencia (#1 in recruit in 2015)

    - Morgan McIntosh (#1 recruit in 2011)

    - Jason Welch (#1 recruit in 2008) 

    - Stephen Abas 

    - Eric Guerrero 

    - Dave Schultz

     

    None of them went undefeated. 

     

     

     

    If 1 year of wrestling is eligible for this discussion, Pico is definitely #1 by far as you stated. 

    If it has to be all 4 years, then I'd definitely say #1 Zahid Valencia and #2 Anthony Valencia.  Just because of all the tournaments they won while in HS.  Not just within the state, but nationally in the biggest folkstyle tournaments like Ironman, Super 32, Flonationals, CK Folkstyle nationals, etc. 


  4. 4 minutes ago, lu1979 said:

    I believe that Japan will get a rep for one of the weights they do not qualify in both FS and Greco due to them being the host country - they have already qualified all weights for Women’s FS.

    If Higuchi doesn't win the last chance, I'm sure they'd want 57kg qualified.  I don't think any other weight has a chance to win Gold.


  5. 14 hours ago, AnklePicker said:

    Has Japan’s team been determined?  What’s their lineup?

    Yes.  It was determined at the All-Japan championships in Dec of last year.  That tournament usually determines their world/olympic team.

     

    57kg- Rei Highuchi(2016 silver) Higuchi barely beat Takatani by 1 point, 7-6 at All-Japan.  The crazy thing is that several years ago, he was up at 65kg and challenged Otoguro for the spot there, but lost.  He then went up to 70kg and also lost in the national tournament.  Higuchi came all the way back down to 57kg for the Toyko Olympics, so him missing weight is no surprise.  Just can't believe it came at this time because it potentially is going to cost Japan a 57kg spot.  (didn't qualify the weight)

    65kg- Takuto Otoguro(2018 WC)

    74kg- Keisuke Otoguro(Takuto's brother) He moved up from 70kg and won All-Japan last Dec, but there was a playoff match last month to be the Olympic rep against Mao Okui(2019- 5th at the WC, lost to Sidakov 6-0 in the quarters, then teched by JB in the bronze medal match 10-0).  Keisuke won 5-2 against Okui.

    86kg-Sosuke Takatani moved up to 86kg from 74kg and won at All-Japan, but lost in the semis Asia Olympic qualifier and eventually won bronze(didn't qualify the weight)

    97kg- Naoya AKAGUMA- won at All-Japan, but lost in the first round at the Asia Olympic qualifier and lost in the consolation match before the bronze medal match(didn't qualify the weight)

    125kg- Tetsuya TANAKA won at All-Japan, but lost in the semis Asia Olympic qualifier and eventually forfeited in the bronze medal match I think(didn't qualify the weight)

     

    Japan's mens FS team is in some big trouble unless they can qualify those 4 weights at the last chance qualifier.


  6. 16 hours ago, lu1979 said:

    They stated on the Flo broadcast of the Asian Olympic Qualifier that Rei Higuchi missed weight.  That has to really piss off the Japanese Coaches and supporters as they also have Yuki Takahashi who was 2017 WG medal  winner and probably would have qualified the weight.  I would expect to see Takahashi at the last Chance qualifier in Bulgaria. 

    I can guarantee the JWF is very pissed.  Especially since Higuchi beat Takahashi to represent Japan at 57kg.


  7. 9 minutes ago, lu1979 said:

    I watched her match with the Mongolian women who had beaten all of her opponents so that final round robin was like a true final.  Susaki looked great hitting a low shot right away to 2 laces.  She followed that up with a head pinch I thought should have been 4 but was scored 2 and then another lace for 2 for the tech. When Susaki hit the head pinch the Mongolian had come up to both feet and Susaki also stepped up before the throw.  Should have been 4 but Susaki's corner didn't throw the brick.

    I don't think her coaches were too worried about that last sequence.  Now, had it been in an Olympic match, then it would be a whole different story.


  8. 8 hours ago, Eagle26 said:

    Wouldn’t that also be the case this year when they all have to compete in the Olympic weights? I know one of our champs (Winchester) was in a non-Olympic weight, but we still had two ladies win Olympic weights. I get your point that the depth of Japan is unreal...definitely better than us overall. I’m just saying that when you look at the 6 we are sending vs whatever 6 they send... I think it will be close in gold medal counts. Depth isn’t as relevant there. Kinda like Iowa was the much better team this year overall but Penn State walked away with 4 champs. We have 2 heavy favorites to win gold plus I think the chances of us getting one between Winchester, Maroulis, and the others are decent. 3 gold medals would be guaranteed to be at least tied for the most and it’s certainly possible even if it’s not extremely likely. That’s all I’m saying lol

    I do think we have a good chance to win 2-3, but nothing is ever guaranteed.  We'll see.  Should be fun.


  9. 8 hours ago, Eagle26 said:

    Wouldn’t that also be the case this year when they all have to compete in the Olympic weights? I know one of our champs (Winchester) was in a non-Olympic weight, but we still had two ladies win Olympic weights. I get your point that the depth of Japan is unreal...definitely better than us overall. I’m just saying that when you look at the 6 we are sending vs whatever 6 they send... I think it will be close in gold medal counts. Depth isn’t as relevant there. Kinda like Iowa was the much better team this year overall but Penn State walked away with 4 champs. We have 2 heavy favorites to win gold plus I think the chances of us getting one between Winchester, Maroulis, and the others are decent. 3 gold medals would be guaranteed to be at least tied for the most and it’s certainly possible even if it’s not extremely likely. That’s all I’m saying lol

    Well, it's similar, but not really.  Usually there are several more weight classes in the World Championships.  Those non-Olympic weights usually have Japan's A or B, but due to Japan's Olympic qualification process, all of those non-Olympic weights were abandoned by the top stars to try and secure a spot at an Olympic weight.

     

    Take a look at a few of the past senior WC with all weights:

    -2017 Senior World Championships in Paris with 2 high schoolers on Japan's Womens freestyle team that jumped from Cadet straight to Senior level.

    50kg- Yui Susaki(high schooler) teched Vuc 10-0 in the Gold medal match

    53kg- Mayu Mukaida lost on a last second TD by Kaladzinskya 6-8 in the Gold medal match.  Mukaida almost teched her, then Kaladinskya came back...crazy match. 

    55kg- Haruna Okuno(high schooler) beat Adekuoroye 5-4 in the Gold medal match.  Okuno let Adekuroye get that one TD at the end to not give up a 4 point move. 

    58kg- Katsuki Sakagami lost in the prelims to Khariv.  This is the year Helen won 11-0 against Amri in the finals!

    60kg- Risako Kawai teched Ragan in the Gold medal match

    63kg- Yukako Kawai lost to Castillo in the quarterfinals 0-2

    69kg- Dosho beat Fokken 3-0 in the Gold medal match

    75kg- Hiroe Minagawa beat Mae 6-0  in the bronze medal match

    4 champions

    1 silver

    1 bronze

     

    WFS team score:

    Japan 60

    USA/Belarus(tie) 38

     

    -2018 Senior World Championships in Budapest for Women's Freestyle for Japan at close to full strength with everybody at their correct weights and a few junior wrestlers making the lineup due to injuries:

     

    50kg- Yui Susaki teched Stadnik 10-0 in the Gold medal match

    53kg- Haruna Okuno teched Sarah Hildebrandt 11-0 in the Gold medal match

    55kg- Mayu Mukaida teched Sidakova 12-2 in the Gold medal match

    57kg-  Katsuki Sakagami-Lost to Adekuroye in qualification 11-6

    59kg- Risako Kawai beat Yesiliarmak 8-0 in the Gold medal match

    62kg- Yukako Kawai lost to Yusein 2-6 in the Gold medal match

    65kg- Anya Gempei beat Ritu 7-2 in the Gold medal match

    68kg- Rio Watari lost to Fransson in qualification 5-7.  Dosho injured this year

    72kg- Naruha Matsuyuki lost to Hamza 1-12 in the quarters

    76kg- Hiroe Minagawa beat Nemeth in the bronze medal match

    5 champions

    1 silver

    1 bronze

     

    WFS team score:

    Japan: 156

    China: 119

    USA: 103

     

     

     


  10. 50kg- Hildebrandt is wrestling really well at 50kg, but Susaki is back.  After her having a dislocated elbow late 2018, rested it for most of 2019, I'm expecting her to be very eager to go and I know Stadnik is glad Susaki wasn't there in the 2019 WC finals.

    53kg, I still see Mukaida(2x WC, 2x silver) winning it.  She beat out college teammate Haruna Okuno(2x WC, she won the 2017 WC 53kg as a high schooler) for this year's spot.  Jacarra beat Irie(5-3) in a very close match the 2019 finals, but let's remember that Irie(her sister is Susaki's nemesis) is usually on Japan's B but mostly  C team.

    57kg-  Although Helen is back, there's no way I'm not thinking Risako Kawai(1x Olympic champion, 3x WC, 1x silver) isn't going to be very ready to compete in her home country.  Let's also remember that Kawai went down in weight classes to make room for her sister at 62kg.  She also was breezing though the Emperor's Cup in 2018, but ran into Kaori Icho who didn't wrestle for 2 years and lost to Icho.  Kawai almost quit wrestling because of the loss, came back in 2019 at All-Japan and squeaked by Icho by 2 points setting up a playoff.  Kawai won 3-3 on criteria in the playoff match to decide who was going to represent 57kg for Japan at the 2019 World Championships.

    62kg  Yukako Kawai(Risako's sister) 1x silver, 1x bronze.  She's worked her way up from bronze to silver the past few years and I could see her doing really well.  It's just hard for me to gauge.  I want Kayla to do well, so let's see what happens.

    68kg- I've said this since 2019, but I've thought since then that TMS would win the Olympic gold in Tokyo.  She's just elevated her game so high.  Sara Dosho(2016 Olympic champ and 1x WC, 1x silver, 2x bronze) had a pretty serious shoulder injury a few years ago.  Even though she made this year's team, I can't see her beating TMS.

    76kg-   Adeline's had very close matches with Minagawa(1x Silver, 2x bronze) in the past few years in the WC finals in 2019 as well as the World Cup that year.  I'm still picking Adeline, but from what happened the last Olympics, I can see her losing.  Don't know why.

    Japan always struggles a little from 68-76kg, but the lighter weights are usually almost always lights out.

     


  11. 10 hours ago, Eagle26 said:

    I do. The last Olympics was 5 years ago and our women’s team has improved greatly since then. I think the last world championships would be a better indicator of success than the last Olympics. Do you realize that in last world championships we had 3 champs and Japan had 1? And Helen Maroulis was not able to compete, so we could’ve had 4. 

    You're forgetting a major, major factor here.  Due to the way Japan did the Olympic team selection(medaling at the 2019 WC guaranteed a spot for the 2020 Olympics) All of Japan's TOP, A-Team women wrestlers faced off against each other at Olympic weights.  World champions knocked off other world champions all over the place.  All of the non-Olympic weights were Japan's B and C team members. 


  12. 2 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

    Definitely a good debate.  DNP at the Olympics vs. Helen beating Yoshida I think tips it to Helen, but Gray has more total hardware, so I understand if you and others feel she's better.

    I would give it to Adeline just because she has more hardware.  Very close though.  I was pretty shocked Adeline DNPd in Rio.  Helen beating Yoshida was tremendous, but Yoshida also pinned her twice in consecutive World Championship finals.


  13. 6 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

    So we have two third matches so far, both WFS.  Helen Maroulis, the greatest US women's wrestler ever in one match.  Macey Kilty, the future (along with Kennedy Blades) of women's wrestling in the other.

    Adeline isn't the greatest womens wrestler from the US?

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