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  1. First off, Bob Burda is not an official. He's the guy in charge of the Big 12 conference for wrestling. The officials have zero sayso in matters like these.
  2. How can you give loss of control when he still had a leg? I thought it was a great hold by the official and they reviewed it. Tough call in a tough environment, but most definitely the right call.
  3. How can you lose to someone outside of the Top 100 when there's only about 80 teams in Division 1?
  4. DT did a pretty solid job commentating, but my issue with the wrestling commentators, in general, is that they do not have a full and good understanding of the rules. DT made a comment during the 133 bout during a challenged TD call, that "there is no reaction time in college wrestling." That is absolutely NOT true. There is reaction time in every single situation except two: 1. Locked hands on the mat when in the offensive position 2. Rear Standing Hand Touch situation from neutral position The referees get a bad rep because of comments like that. In my opinion, anyone who is going to regularly commentate on college wrestling should be required to attend rules clinics and, perhaps, even pass the NCAA Officials exam each year.
  5. Reaction time exists in every situation except two: 1. Rear Standing Hand Touch Takedown (both wrestlers must be on their feet when one wrestler gains rear standing control and a hand touch occurs) 2. Locked Hands while on the mat Other than those two situations, reaction time applies.
  6. Unfortunately, that information hasn't been posted at this point and I'm not sure if it will be. That would be nice to see, though, I agree.
  7. At NCAA's: Total Reviews = 127 Coaches Challenges = 96 Officials Review = 32 Calls Overturned = 27 / 127 = 21.25% In other words, 1 out of every 5 reviews was changed. This information is right on FloWrestling website.
  8. Total Reviews = 127 Coaches Challenges = 96 Officials Review = 32 Calls Overturned = 27 / 127 = 21.25% In other words, 1 out of every 5 reviews was changed. This information is right on FloWrestling website.
  9. Total Reviews = 127 Coaches Challenges = 96 Officials Review = 32 Calls Overturned = 27 / 127 = 21.25% In other words, 1 out of every 5 reviews was changed. This information is right on FloWrestling website.
  10. This is 100% correct per the rule. The hand has to cross the mid-line of the back before the escape can be awarded.
  11. Neutral Danger is defined as this: If a wrestler exposes his back at 90 degrees or less (in nearfall criteria - shoulder down, within 4 inches of the mat, etc...) beyond reaction time, then the referee shall announce "Danger" AND corresponding color of the wrestler, then it's Danger 1, Danger 2, Danger 3. If the referee gets to the third count and the wrestler hasn't improved his position, then a 2 point takedown is awarded.
  12. The coaches did not throw a brick. The referees looked at the situation on their own. Also, there was about 2 seconds on the clock when the situation took place.
  13. What everyone is failing to understand in this situation is...the rules. The ref had to allow for reaction time in this situation because it is NOT a hand touch takedown situation since the action was already on the mat. The ref was too quick throwing up the two and right away went to his assistant to discuss the call. They both agreed that control was NOT established beyond reaction and, correctly, changed the call. It's not the most popular call of the tournament, but it was indeed the correct call. I personally know this official and he wants nothing more than to get every call right. He works his butt off to be one of the best and he is one of the best. Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't get a finals match.
  14. Folks, there is certain criteria for the Hodge Trophy and they are as follows: The main criteria for the determining the most dominant wrestler are: -record -number of pins -dominance -quality of competition. Secondary criteria are past credentials, sportsmanship/citizenship and heart which are used if the primary criteria are similar.
  15. Match Notes: 1. Referees did not decide this match 2. Reviews took so long because the system wasn't working properly - not because the refs were inept or indecisive 3. The wrestling was pretty good, but pretty conservative by both guys 4. The right calls were made on the locked hands situations 5. The hands to face call was a no brainer - you can't NOT make that call 6. Ugly match, but the refs did a pretty darn good job of managing a tough situation with (literally) things flying at them from all directions
  16. 125 : NaTo 133 : Micic 141 : McKenna 149 : Retherford 157 : Kemerer 165 : IMar 174 : Hall 184 : Nickal 197 : Rasheed 285 : Coon
  17. You could also have Flagrant Misconducts or Two Unsportsmanlike Conducts on the competing wrestlers and lose more team points. A flagrant misconduct results in the deduction of 1 team point and the opposing team gets a 6 point victory. Same goes for a wrestler who gets called for Unsportsmanlike Conduct twice during the match. So, theoretically, if that happened to all 10 wrestlers for the same team, then the dual would end 60 to -10
  18. Opponent does not get choice of position on the restart when Concussion Protocol is in place. Even if the injured wrestler begins on injury time and then the trainer says they want Concussion Protocol, then the injury time is wiped clean and concussion protocol supersedes the injury time.
  19. NCAA DI Tie-Breaker Criteria 1. Matches won (5-5 in this case) 2. Total number of 6 point team victories (pins, forfeits, DQ's) 3. Total match points scored from decisions, major decisions and technical falls PSU = 95 OSU = 88 Going into the heavyweight bout OSU was down 85-73 in match points scored. Therefore, Snyder had to win by 13 to give OSU the victory on criteria.
  20. I will speak personally as to why I officiate: 1. I love the the sport and it's been a part of my life since I was 8 years old. I wrestled all the way through college (at the D1 level) 2. The athletes deserve good officiating and I make it my personal goal to make sure they get that each time I step on a mat. 3. The friends you make and the relationships you build are priceless. 4. The money is OK, but certainly not life-changing To answer the question many are asking about how much money we officials make...it's tough to answer. I will go this route: DI Duals range between $300 - $1000 depending on the conference, travel, per diem, mileage, etc... DII Duals range between $200 - $350 typically with travel usually not provided DIII Duals range between $125 - $250 typically with travel usually not provided Open tournaments typically pay $300 - $500 for one day events and $500 - $800 for multi-day events NCAA DII and DIII events pay $150 per session plus $45 per diem, mileage and travel and they put you up in a hotel NCAA DI nationals pay $200 per session plus $45 per diem, mileage and travel and they put you up in a hotel Most seasons I typically make $12,000 - $15,000 while working 1 event per week. *Side note - most refs who are doing post-season events (DI conference championships, regional events and national tournaments) are all pretty solid officials who are also pretty darn solid people. Most have very good jobs, do well in life, have a good family and are just overall good people. We take our job very seriously and - we know we're underpaid - but we also strive to get every call correct. The biggest hurdle we face is that the vast majority of people don't know the rules like we do. It's been said before by many others before me that "I've never missed a call reffing from my couch."
  21. Regarding the Nevill's skin situation...I was there in the room when this all went down. The infected area was right on his face and didn't look good. He did have a note that said he had impetigo. One of our guys didn't like the way it looked and sent him to the doctor on-site for a second look. The doctor didn't think it was impetigo and thought it was Herpes instead. Our doctor asked Adam if he could get a hold of the Nevills's doctor so that he could speak to him. It took a little while because of the time difference, but our doctor did speak to Nevills's doctor and his doctor could not say that it wasn't Herpes because he couldn't verify that a skin culture had been done.Furthermore, per the date on the skin form, he hadn't been under antibiotic treatment long enough anyway. The bottom line is that the Ironman committee and doctor did everything they could to keep Nevills in the tournament. It's a crappy situation, but it wasn't handled absolutely correctly. We cannot put hundreds of wrestlers and 24 officials at risk because of one individual. It would be a shame if California schools boycott this great event because one coach didn't like the outcome of a professional and expert decision that was made in the name of safety to ALL those competing in the tournament.
  22. I should have included Dake for sure. That's my bad. But Pico is focusing more on MMA, if I'm not mistaken. I assume you mean Mark Perry?
  23. Most popular names in wrestling right now in no particular order...sort of: Gable Cael John Smith Burroughs Snyder Taylor Brands brothers Cox Stieber Retherford Oliver
  24. Pertaining to independent review, this is a bad idea for wrestling. We officials want to get every call correct and let the wrestlers decide the outcome. What people fail to realize/understand is that not every review is black and white. Most of the time we only have one camera showing us one angle. We do not get the multi-angle ESPN/BTN looks that you all are getting while watching from your couches. It's pretty easy to make all the right calls from your couch - I've never missed one! Furthermore, there has to be enough evidence to overturn/change a call. Keep this in mind, especially at the National tournaments and conference tournaments - THE BEST REFS WILL BE ON THE MAT BLOWING THE WHISTLES. If that's the case, who will be conducting the independent reviews? It will be lesser qualified officials than those who are on the mat. This is not a good idea. Think about it this way...if you're the VP of Sales for your company are you going to trust a Customer Service Rep to do your job for you?
  25. Headgear should be mandatory for practice and optional for matches. 95% of wrestling is done outside of actual competition. Cauliflower ear happens in practice - not during competition. By making it optional for competition it will also cut back on equipment delays during competition and potential technical violations for pulling on the headgear. Remember, the Hall vs. Valencia NCAA semifinals match was decided because of the headgear!
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