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    OfficialObserver reacted to MSU158 in Did tOSU underperform, PSU overperform, or both do as expected?   
    I have to say that I think both teams had great tournaments.  PSU is just so top heavy and tOSU just got unlucky that Hayes hit a pissed off Sorenson in the R12.
     
    125:NaTo scored 20.5 points.  No shame in taking 3rd to a phenom, deserving of the Most Outstanding Wrestler award.  
           PSU had no one here.
     
    133:Pletcher taking 4th was solid.  His style lends to upsets and he didn't take any.  You may want to call Wilson an upset, but except for a little brain fart against Gross, he wrestled the best out of any 133lber this past weekend.  Keener got a win, which is about all you should have expected.
     
    141:McKenna looked super motivated.  He wrestled a great tournament, capping it off by controlling a very good Eierman.  Lee's backside run was amazing.  5 of the 6 guys he beat on the backside were seeded and the only one that wasn't became an AA.
     
    149:Hayes simply fell victim to a bad draw.  He lost a heartbreaker in OT to Heilman and then drew Sorenson.  Retherford won handily, but wasn't quite as dominant as expected(crazy to think 5 bonus is a down year!).
     
    157:Jordan actually scored 4 bonus pts and took 6th as the 7 seed.  The Berger loss was a bit surprising, but he still exceeded his seed.  Nolf was a true warrior.  Just how good do you have to be to dominate your way through NCAA's when you are obviously still injured and favoring that injury?
     
    165:Campbell did exactly as a 13 seed should.  He lost in the R16 match to the 12 seed by 1 pt.  Joseph had his quarterfinal scare, similar to last season.  Besides that he was impossible to score on and beat IMAR for the 2nd year in a row, when it counted!
     
    174:Jordan taking 5th may be a letdown from pre-season expectations.  But, he deserved to be the 6 seed and Amine proved that he had ever so slightly passed him by.  Hall is a beast, but Valencia is so gifted in Neutral that I would have a hard time picking Hall going forward.
     
    184:Martin is incredible.  Nickal is even beyond that.  
     
    197:Moore fell victim to a great story TWICE!  Still, 4th is solid and he didn't pack it in after the surprise loss.  Rasheed got to the podium from the 5 seed, only underachieving by 2. Plus, it is hard to blame him since he also fell victim to a bad draw and hit Moore on the backside due to his being upset in the quarters.
     
    285:Snyder took out the Big Man, again!  Enough said.  Nevills was simply unlucky that Dhesi was the 6 seed.  He was clearly the best of the rest.  Losing to Stoll was a let down, but it is hard to keep beating the same guy at that level.
     
    You may be able to point to 1 or 2 that could/should have done a bit better, but overall I don't think you could rightly have asked for more!
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    OfficialObserver reacted to RichB in St. Louis or Cleveland?   
    Staples Center might be a scheduling challenge with 2 NBA and 1 NHL team (plus other pro events. Anaheim Honda Center (Ducks) and the Forum (older Pro Sports arena- now reopened for general use after a mega-church)  are both like 17,500 for hockey, thus on the small side by modern standards.  The old Sports Center(next to the Coliseum, USC, and Museum row,  which would have been inadequate anyway, has been torn down and replaced by an MLS stadium. UCLA also has a large arena but it is old and likely inadequate in many ways.
     
    Only complaint about Cleveland was admissions gate. They should have opened two hours early, which apparently is what they normally do.
     
    Good rapid transit in Cleveland. Key in the biggest cities.
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    OfficialObserver reacted to Cletus_Tucker in St. Louis or Cleveland?   
    Cleveland was absolutely fantastic.       The Q handled it well and despite St Patrick's day parade on Saturday, it was easy to get to and there was plenty to do  close by.   The Harry Buffalo was one of our more desired spots (Crazy Horse in the mix as well) and we spent considerable time there eating good food (The chorizo tacos were top notch and that chocolate chip cookie with the ice cream, to die for).  Parking was reasonable and we didn't feel gouged on prices.     
     
    I met several friends from the North East and from the Midwest and we were able to get to and from with ease (I had a room at the 4 points near the airport) .    I wouldn't mind it in Cleveland again and in fact I hope it's there again soon.    Christa from Minnesota and Kaylee from Pitt were just dolls.   
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    OfficialObserver reacted to jeffr_ideal in St. Louis or Cleveland?   
    I thought Cleveland did a great job!  The Q is a nice facility but i wish the floor was about 30 feet wider, I had great seats, but had trouble seeing mat 2 and mat 8 from my seats.  Other than that, the Q staff were awesome, from the parking garage folks to the security guards to the ushers, all were super nice.  Cleveland is a wrestling town and I think that was fairly evident. 
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    OfficialObserver reacted to gowrestle in St. Louis or Cleveland?   
    Cleveland. The entire city embraced the tournament.
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    OfficialObserver reacted to tightwaist in Lee or Yianni? Which true freshman is better?   
    Tough one. They each won a very difficult weight class. Lee seems to be more dominant, but Yianni does otherworldly stuff that makes you go, hmmm.
     
    My vote is Spencer Diakomihalis.
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    OfficialObserver reacted to TBar1977 in Challenge Brick   
    You give them ten bricks you can guarantee they will use all 10 bricks. The tournament will end at 1am Tuesday. 
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    OfficialObserver reacted to Cradle1 in Coon   
    So after he takes Olympic Gold in both freestyle and Greco, then he splits time between the NBA and NFL for a few years and presumably makes the HOF in both. From there, he comes an astronaut, and I would assume the first man to walk on Mars.   Any chancing the man can cure cancer if he's got a bit of downtime?  
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    OfficialObserver reacted to Two_on_one in How many "minus points" can one team lose in a dual?   
    Rule 5 Section 2 Article 5 (on page 48)
    "Art. 5. Noncompeting Wrestler and Personnel - Prematch, Match or Postmatch Period. An unsportsmanlike conduct violation by coaches, athletic trainers, managers, physicians and noncompeting wrestlers shall result in the deduction of one team point for the first violation; the penalty for the second violation will be disqualification, the deduction of one team point and removal from the premises. The referee shall signal the infraction, then inform the offending coach and scorekeeper of the one team point deduction."
     
    You can get up to two points deducted for each non competing wrestler and staff member (one for the first infraction and another for the second one in which they are removed from the premises).
     
    So if you had 16 people on your team (10 wrestlers, 4 coaches, trainer and doctor), you could theoretically get minus 32 points if all were ejected.  
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    OfficialObserver got a reaction from PANewbie in Snyder   
    NCAA DI Tie-Breaker Criteria
    1. Matches won (5-5 in this case)
    2. Total number of 6 point team victories (pins, forfeits, DQ's)
    3. Total match points scored from decisions, major decisions and technical falls
        PSU = 95
        OSU = 88
     
    Going into the heavyweight bout OSU was down 85-73 in match points scored. Therefore, Snyder had to win by 13 to give OSU the victory on criteria.
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    OfficialObserver got a reaction from pamela in Why become a D1 ref?   
    I will speak personally as to why I officiate:
    1. I love the the sport and it's been a part of my life since I was 8 years old. I wrestled all the way through college (at the D1 level)
    2. The athletes deserve good officiating and I make it my personal goal to make sure they get that each time I step on a mat.
    3. The friends you make and the relationships you build are priceless.
    4. The money is OK, but certainly not life-changing
     
    To answer the question many are asking about how much money we officials make...it's tough to answer. I will go this route:
    DI Duals range between $300 - $1000 depending on the conference, travel, per diem, mileage, etc...
    DII Duals range between $200 - $350 typically with travel usually not provided
    DIII Duals range between $125 - $250 typically with travel usually not provided
     
    Open tournaments typically pay $300 - $500 for one day events and $500 - $800 for multi-day events
    NCAA DII and DIII events pay $150 per session plus $45 per diem, mileage and travel and they put you up in a hotel
    NCAA DI nationals pay $200 per session plus $45 per diem, mileage and travel and they put you up in a hotel
     
    Most seasons I typically make $12,000 - $15,000 while working 1 event per week. 
     
    *Side note - most refs who are doing post-season events (DI conference championships, regional events and national tournaments) are all pretty solid officials who are also pretty darn solid people. Most have very good jobs, do well in life, have a good family and are just overall good people. We take our job very seriously and - we know we're underpaid - but we also strive to get every call correct. The biggest hurdle we face is that the vast majority of people don't know the rules like we do. It's been said before by many others before me that "I've never missed a call reffing from my couch." 
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    OfficialObserver got a reaction from swoopdown in Snyder   
    NCAA DI Tie-Breaker Criteria
    1. Matches won (5-5 in this case)
    2. Total number of 6 point team victories (pins, forfeits, DQ's)
    3. Total match points scored from decisions, major decisions and technical falls
        PSU = 95
        OSU = 88
     
    Going into the heavyweight bout OSU was down 85-73 in match points scored. Therefore, Snyder had to win by 13 to give OSU the victory on criteria.
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    OfficialObserver got a reaction from Jaysus in Snyder   
    NCAA DI Tie-Breaker Criteria
    1. Matches won (5-5 in this case)
    2. Total number of 6 point team victories (pins, forfeits, DQ's)
    3. Total match points scored from decisions, major decisions and technical falls
        PSU = 95
        OSU = 88
     
    Going into the heavyweight bout OSU was down 85-73 in match points scored. Therefore, Snyder had to win by 13 to give OSU the victory on criteria.
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    OfficialObserver got a reaction from JBluegill133 in Why become a D1 ref?   
    I will speak personally as to why I officiate:
    1. I love the the sport and it's been a part of my life since I was 8 years old. I wrestled all the way through college (at the D1 level)
    2. The athletes deserve good officiating and I make it my personal goal to make sure they get that each time I step on a mat.
    3. The friends you make and the relationships you build are priceless.
    4. The money is OK, but certainly not life-changing
     
    To answer the question many are asking about how much money we officials make...it's tough to answer. I will go this route:
    DI Duals range between $300 - $1000 depending on the conference, travel, per diem, mileage, etc...
    DII Duals range between $200 - $350 typically with travel usually not provided
    DIII Duals range between $125 - $250 typically with travel usually not provided
     
    Open tournaments typically pay $300 - $500 for one day events and $500 - $800 for multi-day events
    NCAA DII and DIII events pay $150 per session plus $45 per diem, mileage and travel and they put you up in a hotel
    NCAA DI nationals pay $200 per session plus $45 per diem, mileage and travel and they put you up in a hotel
     
    Most seasons I typically make $12,000 - $15,000 while working 1 event per week. 
     
    *Side note - most refs who are doing post-season events (DI conference championships, regional events and national tournaments) are all pretty solid officials who are also pretty darn solid people. Most have very good jobs, do well in life, have a good family and are just overall good people. We take our job very seriously and - we know we're underpaid - but we also strive to get every call correct. The biggest hurdle we face is that the vast majority of people don't know the rules like we do. It's been said before by many others before me that "I've never missed a call reffing from my couch." 
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    OfficialObserver got a reaction from KTG119 in Why become a D1 ref?   
    I will speak personally as to why I officiate:
    1. I love the the sport and it's been a part of my life since I was 8 years old. I wrestled all the way through college (at the D1 level)
    2. The athletes deserve good officiating and I make it my personal goal to make sure they get that each time I step on a mat.
    3. The friends you make and the relationships you build are priceless.
    4. The money is OK, but certainly not life-changing
     
    To answer the question many are asking about how much money we officials make...it's tough to answer. I will go this route:
    DI Duals range between $300 - $1000 depending on the conference, travel, per diem, mileage, etc...
    DII Duals range between $200 - $350 typically with travel usually not provided
    DIII Duals range between $125 - $250 typically with travel usually not provided
     
    Open tournaments typically pay $300 - $500 for one day events and $500 - $800 for multi-day events
    NCAA DII and DIII events pay $150 per session plus $45 per diem, mileage and travel and they put you up in a hotel
    NCAA DI nationals pay $200 per session plus $45 per diem, mileage and travel and they put you up in a hotel
     
    Most seasons I typically make $12,000 - $15,000 while working 1 event per week. 
     
    *Side note - most refs who are doing post-season events (DI conference championships, regional events and national tournaments) are all pretty solid officials who are also pretty darn solid people. Most have very good jobs, do well in life, have a good family and are just overall good people. We take our job very seriously and - we know we're underpaid - but we also strive to get every call correct. The biggest hurdle we face is that the vast majority of people don't know the rules like we do. It's been said before by many others before me that "I've never missed a call reffing from my couch." 
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    OfficialObserver reacted to jstock in Snyder   
    I would like to talk smack because I am not a duh Ohio State fan and Snyder was tweeting his tweets....but... I have too much respect for the champ so I just can’t do it.
    This was a great dual and I hope duhOhio State fans appreciated the competition, even with the loss. As T Ryan said, they will get 2 more shots.
    Great for the fans
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    OfficialObserver got a reaction from gimpeltf in California likely boycotting Ironman   
    Regarding the Nevill's skin situation...I was there in the room when this all went down. The infected area was right on his face and didn't look good. He did have a note that said he had impetigo. One of our guys didn't like the way it looked and sent him to the doctor on-site for a second look. The doctor didn't think it was impetigo and thought it was Herpes instead. Our doctor asked Adam if he could get a hold of the Nevills's doctor so that he could speak to him. It took a little while because of the time difference, but our doctor did speak to Nevills's doctor and his doctor could not say that it wasn't Herpes because he couldn't verify that a skin culture had been done.Furthermore, per the date on the skin form, he hadn't been under antibiotic treatment long enough anyway.
     
    The bottom line is that the Ironman committee and doctor did everything they could to keep Nevills in the tournament. It's a crappy situation, but it wasn't handled absolutely correctly. We cannot put hundreds of wrestlers and 24 officials at risk because of one individual.
     
    It would be a shame if California schools boycott this great event because one coach didn't like the outcome of a professional and expert decision that was made in the name of safety to ALL those competing in the tournament.
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    OfficialObserver reacted to Billyhoyle in California likely boycotting Ironman   
    Here's a question: If a trainer passes a kid through a skin check that then goes on to infect an entire tournament with a skin disease, is that trainer liable?  My guess is that if a rule says that a kid with sores can't compete, a doctor's note means nothing because it is the trainer's career that is on the line.  
     
    Unless this coach thinks there was some conspiracy to prevent an athlete from competing, it is ridiculous to expect a note to overrule the observation of a trainer.  If i were this trainer I would need to speak to the doctor on the phone and have confirmation that within the previous couple of days, the sores in question had been tested and shown not to be herpes.  
     
    Did this coach notify the tournament in advance that he was entering an athlete with this condition or did he expect to slide him through the skin check? 
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    OfficialObserver reacted to MadMardigain in Major Rule Changes for NCAA Wrestling   
    Yeah, Kenny Loggins covered that ages ago. 
    "Out along the edges
    Always where I burn to be
    The further on the edge
    The hotter the intensity"
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    OfficialObserver reacted to MSU158 in 2017 Penn St vs 1997 Iowa   
    Yeah, I don't see the 2 PSU against threads screaming bias.  Many are picking Retherford to destroy Esposito.  Mind you, Esposito walked through the 149 bracket that year.
     
    Many are picking a TF Suriano that didn't even wrestle at NCAA's to win over an NCAA Champ in Whitmer or AA in Scott.
     
    McIlravy was a legend in his time.  3 career losses and 1,1,2,1 finishes along with 3 years of World Level Hardware.  Still many are calling a match with Nolf a near toss-up.
     
    Several people are picking/jockeying for Joseph to beat Hendricks.  This is the same Joseph that had to come back in the waning seconds to beat Lewis in the QF round.
     
    Don't even try arguing a RS Frosh Joseph over Joe Williams.
     
    Hall didn't exactly set the world on fire as a TF, while Pendleton ran through a bracket that included Askren.  I don't see anybody saying Pendleton would run away with it.
     
    Nickal wrecks both of his opponents.
     
    Fullhart and Rosholt wreck McCutcheon.
     
    Nevills beats Hand, but isn't even close to Mocco.
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    OfficialObserver reacted to BigTenFanboy in 2017 Penn St vs 1997 Iowa   
    I agree 100% with everything said here.
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    OfficialObserver reacted to de4856 in Cael Unemployed as of Midnight Last Night   
    Well let's say for argument sake that Penn St. Wrestling does operate at a loss, if you are the people that run Penn St. along with the alumni, the boosters, and everyone else involved, what is a Div I Wrestling title worth? What has the last 9 years been worth? What is being the center of the College Wrestling universe worth? What is it worth to be able to attract some of the best and brightest wrestlers in this nation to your campus? If it were me, I would give him everything that I could.
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    OfficialObserver reacted to MSU158 in Sanderson / DT Sportsmanship   
    Taylor lost more from a tactical meltdown more than any other aspect.  Yes Cox perspiration was a factor and yes he backed up a lot.  But, Taylor went into near Sumo mode looking like he fully expected to be able to push Cox out of bounds repeatedly.  Cox wisely used this momentum to circle back in at the edge multiple times and catch Taylor in trouble multiple times. THAT is why he was never called for passivity.  Taylor was as much responsible for the problem as Cox.  He went completely off script.  If he would have simply stalked Cox and setup any variety of attacks he is so good at, Cox would have definitively been forced to engage or be put on the clock.  Either way that would have put Taylor in the driver's seat for either a leg attack or shot clock.
     
    Instead Taylor went into Sumo mode, which turned into dog sledding and finished off with frustrated flailing.  He had plenty of time after the injury to go to his best offensive gameplan and simply get 1 takedown.  For that whole period Cox should have been the one in panic mode and it honestly looked like Taylor was instead.
     
    I don't know what was said in the corner while Cox was hurt but it sure didn't look like gameplanning.  They should have been discussing what to do if Cox comes back and how best to score the points necessary to win.
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    OfficialObserver reacted to tightwaist in David Taylor   
    After the injury, it looked like Taylor and crew assumed that there would be a default. You can see the change in body language and facial expressions. When Cox decided to wrestle, it looked like Taylor wasn't sure what to do or how to attack him. Mentally, Taylor seemed to have checked out. Cox then went into a defensive posture while Taylor must have thought that he could easily take him down, or that Cox would eventually tap. The sweat on the mat was an issue. Don't care if you are Taylor or Cox fan, but being able to push a guy across the mat like a shopping cart is not a good or normal occurrence. The ref didn't blow the match, but he clearly provided some air cover for Cox.
     
    Kudo's to Cox for a historic and gutsy performance. Will be talked about for years. I feel for Taylor because I think he out-wrestled Cox, especially after a full day of wrestling. Regarding the knee injury. I've torn an MCL in practice (very hot room), heard it pop...screamed, and gimped around for a bit. I was able to keep going because I was loose and had adrenaline pumping. The next day it looked like a cantaloupe, and I couldn't walk. 3 Mo recovery for me, but Cox is a different creature. I think he will be back. Who wants to wager that the International wrestlers force the ref to constantly wipe Cox down? Strategic way to slow down a match
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    OfficialObserver reacted to PhiferFuqua in Gilman and Retherford   
    Sure, Retherford beat a former Olympian. Wake me up when he beats Lance Palmer.
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