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    Class got a reaction from GoNotQuietly in Iowa Hawkeyes -- Culture with black athletes   
    ESPN article on the football program is very enlightening.  Seems to be less about representation and more about being held to different disciplinary standards and discomfort in being themselves around the program.  It is well written and really an eye opener regarding systemic, and often subtle, daily racism that blacks endure.
     
    On the outside looking in the wrestling team doesn't and hasn't had a lot of black athletes, which isn't unusual for Iowa City, but is there any review of the experience of those black athletes, either with the current administration or past?  It doesn't fit everyone but there definitely is an underlying preference in the program for hunting, country music and camouflage.  I will go ahead and be hypocritical here and mention that those traits often fit someone who isn't.....ahem....tolerant.
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    Class got a reaction from JHRoseWrestling in Iowa Hawkeyes -- Culture with black athletes   
    Ha ha.  Well crap.
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    Class reacted to nhs67 in PD3 Signs with SuckerPunch   
    I don't even see him rising TO Bellator name. Honestly.  Pico got signed as a phenom and forgot his roots.  Lost 3 easily winnable matches because of it and likely lost a few years of his combat abilities for getting KOd.  I see Downey earning a contract, but not having success in Bellator.  He is TST(thick solid and tight) so does he make that drop to 185?  Or does he go up to 205, where he won't have a power advantage?

    All this said, I see him forgetting his roots and trying to throw with too many people.  I also don't see him giving proper respects to BJJ type grapplers and getting something torn off or put to sleep.  He has the grit and power to succeed, I just don't trust his fight IQ until I see it.
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    Class got a reaction from madcat11 in Is Flo Working?   
    How much potential does RBY have in that PSU room.  Jeez!  This guy really could leave everyone behind.
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    Class got a reaction from IfYouAin'tFirstYou'reLast in Iowa Hawkeyes -- Culture with black athletes   
    OK.  I will restart.  It is becoming more and more clear that there is a racist culture in the University of Iowa athletic department stemming from a sport that is highly inclusive of black athletes.  The individual at the center of the allegations worked with the wrestling team as well and the wrestling team seems to have a smaller % of black athletes compared to other programs in the sport.
    Pushing glasses up to nose.  Is this succinct enough that we can discuss now?  Hopefully any references to "looks like a duck, quacks like a duck" type of bias and intolerance have been cleared here. 
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    Class got a reaction from IfYouAin'tFirstYou'reLast in Iowa Hawkeyes -- Culture with black athletes   
    ESPN article on the football program is very enlightening.  Seems to be less about representation and more about being held to different disciplinary standards and discomfort in being themselves around the program.  It is well written and really an eye opener regarding systemic, and often subtle, daily racism that blacks endure.
     
    On the outside looking in the wrestling team doesn't and hasn't had a lot of black athletes, which isn't unusual for Iowa City, but is there any review of the experience of those black athletes, either with the current administration or past?  It doesn't fit everyone but there definitely is an underlying preference in the program for hunting, country music and camouflage.  I will go ahead and be hypocritical here and mention that those traits often fit someone who isn't.....ahem....tolerant.
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    Class got a reaction from ShakaAloha in Iowa Hawkeyes -- Culture with black athletes   
    The article speaks to the entire athletic department and so I am sure questions will be asked regarding each sport's handling of the black athlete experience.  Football is under the gun per se but the article refers to the athletic department as whole.  Perhaps a poor choice of words being "unable" to look at rosters but rather I just didn't have time during the work day, but I do now.  Of the 14 B1G teams Iowa ranks 13th in black athletes on the roster (7 of the rosters are 19-20 and another 7 were updated to 20-21 including Iowa's). 
    Iowa has just one black wrestler listed, true freshman Charles Matthews.  By quick review to see if this was an aberration their totals on the last 5 rosters are 1, 1, 1, 1 and 2.  (Jeremiah Moody being the sole individual 3 times and then also Faraan Brantley 5 years ago being a second).
    It is very possible that Jeremiah Moody (3rd in state, 3rd in cadets @ Fargo), Faraan Brantley and Charles Matthews are not scholarship athletes.  Meanwhile during the same 5 year period taking the top 5 P4P from Flo senior recruits 28% of them are black (Bartlett, Kerk, Gable, Teemer, Carr, Hall and Red).  
    B1G rosters = 14 
    Iowa rank = 13th with 1  (Wisconsin has 0!)
    Average = 3.3
    Are there conclusions to be drawn from this?  I don't know, but looking at the activity of top P4P recruits and the actual roster of IA were two quick data points and they both tell a bit of a story and that is that the IA team doesn't spend their scholarship $s recently on black athletes, despite the fact that they are a significant part of the upper echelon of our sport.  Why is that?  (Some possibilities = better guys on the roster, recruit in love with another school, those wrestlers weren't interested -why-, those wrestlers weren't targets -why-, target a 'certain' type of wrestler that fits the mold).
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    Class got a reaction from buckshot1969 in Iowa Hawkeyes -- Culture with black athletes   
    ESPN article on the football program is very enlightening.  Seems to be less about representation and more about being held to different disciplinary standards and discomfort in being themselves around the program.  It is well written and really an eye opener regarding systemic, and often subtle, daily racism that blacks endure.
     
    On the outside looking in the wrestling team doesn't and hasn't had a lot of black athletes, which isn't unusual for Iowa City, but is there any review of the experience of those black athletes, either with the current administration or past?  It doesn't fit everyone but there definitely is an underlying preference in the program for hunting, country music and camouflage.  I will go ahead and be hypocritical here and mention that those traits often fit someone who isn't.....ahem....tolerant.
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    Class got a reaction from stp in B1G Conference Football   
    Smaller schools playing a B1G team in non-conference football game is usually for a program sustaining payout.  Example would be UNI and Iowa I believe.  How many others are there?  Could put wrestling at risk at a school like that.
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    Class got a reaction from Ohio Elite in Is Flo Working?   
    Are the previews due to crash or are we still going on schedule?  Need to know if it is worth the wait if we are running as expected or if it is time to just focus on UFC.
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    Class reacted to steelfrog in Flo — Reaping What a Bad Citizen Sows?   
    Flo was started as a somewhat romantic notion operated out of a van and funded by donations. 
    It grew through the efforts of the Brothers Flo and others including Bader and Joe, eventually adding Willie, who was fresh off of being named wrestling media guy of the year. Willie brought to Flo the editorial chops and rankings presence it did not have before then. 
    Will later brought in Pyles, Holmes, and others. 
    Then the Flo brothers (understandably) wanted to monetize and allowed VC in. With VC came lawyers, one in particular by the name of Paul Hurdlow has been particularly damaging to Flo. 
    Hurdlow insinuated himself into management and put his imprint on Flo’s culture, and that meant using the lawyer’s tools. Contracts. Non-competes for already-employed people. Lawsuits. Then Flo started suing everyone in sight. From individuals taping their kids at Flo events, to putative competitors, to corporate “partners” (Oklahoma State) to Martin Flo and Willie. No one is safe from Flo’s litigious bent. 
    You wonder why Flo is not given access by many programs?  Why they, the biggest wrestling media outlet, have an antagonistic relationship with their fans, wrestlers and coaches?  Because people aren’t stupid that’s why.  Flo’s sharp practices have not gone unnoticed. 
    One of the few Flo partners remaining is USA Wrestling which (a) is desperate for money and (b) has historically terrible leadership with poor judgment. 
    Flo is indeed a sinking ship, at least in the wrestling realm. Their business model is built on exclusive event rights, and those are dwindling. If USA Wrestling pulls the plug on Flo in favor of CBS/Track, they will be done.
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    Class reacted to hammerlockthree in Did Nomad Really Get Fired?   
    I am a paying customer. 
    I don't like seeing our sports leading media platform undermine itself constantly with this fanboy approach to their jobs. Let's say you are correct, and Pyles was tacitly admitting that they bailed on Downey because his tweets were not PC enough, that means they grabbed a guy whose almost entire relevance to the sport was being a loud idiot on social media, offered him $10,000, and then bailed on him because it turned out he is a loud idiot on social media. This is not competence. 
    If it turns out Downey has basically committed a crime and they can't talk about it(as lurker thinks), then they should say that, or say nothing, not treat their customers like a bunch of idiots. 
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    Class got a reaction from ConnorsDad in Merged: Downey thread   
    Yeah, maybe so.  With the benefit of hindsight I think I may have misinterpreted the message and he was saying that "we" let him go but it upset me because we were boys.  Regardless, he could have used the platform a bit better.
    Similarly, Nate Jackson had some really well thought out and well articulated messages on the subject.  That was very impressive.
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    Class reacted to uncle bernard in Flo's Response   
    I'll preface this by saying that I like Flo and have been a premium subscriber for years. They put out a lot of great content. I wanted to get this in before LJB jumps in and blows up the thread by calling anyone mildly critical of Flo a "hater."
    Currently listening to FRL and I felt this deserved it's own thread because of how amazing it is. So, CP spends the first 10 minutes of the show responding to Earl's article on TOM. For his response, he points out that no media outlet has invested more heavily into wrestling, paying coaches and athletes specifically. This is correct, and is a feather in their cap. He then pointed out some examples of how they cover events they don't livestream. Some of these examples are legit (Nomad going to Pan Ams for example). Most of them are a bit disingenuous. CP uses examples of campus visits and Bader show appearances to support they cover content they don't stream. This is obviously disingenous because the charge is that they don't acknowledge actual specific events they don't stream, not "schools we don't have streaming rights with." 
    Overall, CP does a good job highlighting all of the good Flo does for the sport. I'm not going to critique their contribution. It's good.
    But, then something absolutely glorious happened. Ben Askren, in his typical fashion of not being able to filter a single thought that pops in his head, cuts off CP and completely blows CP's whole premise up by confirming that they purposely did not promote the BTS event because it was streamed by a competitor: "I'm sorry some people don't understand the business world. If they understood more business, they would understand why Flo did not cover Rumble on the Rooftop...We shouldn't! What? Are we going to make our competition stronger? Are you guys idiots?" (11:30 in the episode) The dejection in CP's voice is audible as he realizes Ben, in the span of a bout 30 seconds, completely undercut the argument he spent 10 minutes making.
    This is of course the crux of the debate. Nobody is denying that Flo's contribution is overwhelmingly positive. The frustration is that their content team LOVES to present themselves as altruistic growers of the sport (as evidenced by CP's introduction). The reality is pretty obvious. They love to grow the sport as long as growing the sport coincides with their interests as a business. That's fine. That's capitalism. It's the gap between their self-branding and their actual practice that upsets people. CP should have just said the obvious from the beginning: "Listen, we do a ton for the sport, but we are only able to do that because we are a functioning business. And we can only remain a functioning business if we protect our interests. We believe that not covering certain events, though it obviously isn't helpful for growing the sport, is a necessary price that we pay so we can do all of the other great stuff we do. It's not perfect, it's the way things are yada yada yada." He completely misunderstands why people are annoyed. Just be honest.
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    Class reacted to ConnorsDad in Fantastic Article from Open Mat regarding BTS   
    https://news.theopenmat.com/international-wrestling/a-failure-in-leadership-and-four-other-takeaways-from-the-rumble-on-the-rooftop/78369
    While being a Flo fan, I have always subscribed to Open Mat as I think Earl does a great job and I get a lot of wrestling info, D2, D3, etc., that I cant get elsewhere. This article is spot on and is definitely a (nother) black eye for Flo.
     
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    Class got a reaction from ShakaAloha in PD3/ Taylor   
    Downey just made that July matchup a whole lot less interesting.  He is world class something, just not sure what....
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    Class reacted to hammerlockthree in PD3/ Taylor   
    Its almost like a celebrity jeopardy question:
    Trebec: "This four letter word rhymes with lock and is a noun for the male sex organ"
    Blue Dragon: "DICK!"
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    Class got a reaction from ShakaAloha in PD3/ Taylor   
    This is great and an absolutely golden opportunity for Flo.  Both competitors are in agreement that it can happen and there are only 2 modifications to the standard UWW ruleset.
    This is the ultimate competitor trash talk call out that could ever happen.  The implication being that competitor A is publicly claiming that he is going to throw up an obscene number of points on competitor B.  Both would have to take their preparation to unreal levels for an exhibition match as competitor A has to back it up, (how foolish would he look if he only won by 10) while competitor B better be prepared to go 8 minutes hard or be at the risk of giving up 50 points.  The greatest marketing aspect ever is that this involves PD3 and DT yet the arrows have been shot by DT, who would have thought!  Unthinkable when considering the 2 personalities!
    Amazing drama!  Easy storyline to market market market.  Lowest hanging fruit imaginable for FRL content leading up to the match.
    Are you guys not going to get this done?  Hell this is probably non-material stuff in the contract already signed, but if that isn't the case just amend real quick, like today, and get a signature on the new version and make this happen!!  No need to say "maybe next time" as this opportunity and these circumstances won't come again.
    Fuel this bad blood!  Good guy versus bad guy!  Golden Boy versus Lizard Villain!  No risk to the fan of a 1:10 10-0 tech with some gut wrench or leg lace roll up but 8 minutes of bad blood and one of them getting put in their place.  Which one?
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    Class got a reaction from ShakaAloha in PD3/ Taylor   
    Not much of a gimmick.  Flo had high school wrestlers do a 35 minute match so adding 2 minutes on a match for senior level athletes isn't outside the box.
    No need to stress on the PD3 side though as Flo has taken the fall as Jaraslov is alluding to the ironclad contracts between amateur wrestlers, that must be in the 4 if not 5 digits, being too onerous to amend with 45 day notice.  They get to protect one of their contracted athletes from looking hypocritical from his chest thumping insufferable social media personality with the small expense of appearing to be a small time company with the nimbleness and speed of US Steel.  That  is no big deal though as their customers are more or less assumed loyal.
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    Class got a reaction from nhs67 in PD3/ Taylor   
    Not much of a gimmick.  Flo had high school wrestlers do a 35 minute match so adding 2 minutes on a match for senior level athletes isn't outside the box.
    No need to stress on the PD3 side though as Flo has taken the fall as Jaraslov is alluding to the ironclad contracts between amateur wrestlers, that must be in the 4 if not 5 digits, being too onerous to amend with 45 day notice.  They get to protect one of their contracted athletes from looking hypocritical from his chest thumping insufferable social media personality with the small expense of appearing to be a small time company with the nimbleness and speed of US Steel.  That  is no big deal though as their customers are more or less assumed loyal.
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    Class got a reaction from hammerlockthree in PD3/ Taylor   
    Not much of a gimmick.  Flo had high school wrestlers do a 35 minute match so adding 2 minutes on a match for senior level athletes isn't outside the box.
    No need to stress on the PD3 side though as Flo has taken the fall as Jaraslov is alluding to the ironclad contracts between amateur wrestlers, that must be in the 4 if not 5 digits, being too onerous to amend with 45 day notice.  They get to protect one of their contracted athletes from looking hypocritical from his chest thumping insufferable social media personality with the small expense of appearing to be a small time company with the nimbleness and speed of US Steel.  That  is no big deal though as their customers are more or less assumed loyal.
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    Class got a reaction from Ogalthorpe Haywood in PD3/ Taylor   
    You don't present it, Taylor does.  Now all you have to do is wait to see if Downey accepts or not (as stated above it may be wise for him not to).
    Flo doesn't need to get involved other than see if Downey accepts.  I am sure the difficult logistics of changing the time on the clock for an extra minute can be worked through by the operations team at Flo.
    You did unlimited overtime for WNO so it isn't like there isn't precedence for altering formats slightly which is what this is.
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    Class got a reaction from hammerlockthree in PD3/ Taylor   
    Then why in the world would Flo reject it?  Consider the thread the audience (many of us are members I am sure, including myself) want to see it and increase the drama surrounding the match.  Re-open the consideration Flo -- For your fans!
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    Class got a reaction from PSUNatChamps in Mark Hall to PRTC   
    Mark Hall is a great individual.  His celebrations rubbed some the wrong way but he is a quality human being.  His wrestling was based on amazing technical detail and I am not surprised that as a clinician he was shining.
     
    hamerlockthree might be the dumbest person on the internet today.
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    Class reacted to drag it in Revisiting the racism at Team Foxcatcher   
    I respectfully suggest that this was not a helpful stand alone topic.  There was already an important thread on the board which has generated a lot of replies on the very important, timely, and necessary topic of the experience of black wrestlers -- which has been marked by a history of substantial overt and subtle discrimination, just like other sports and the rest of American life.
    The Dupont mess is so complicated and nuanced that this thread turned into an unhelpful, irrelevant diversion.
    As pointed out, Dupont's central and overriding problem was indisputably a terrible mental illness.  This manifested itself among other things with a bizarre aversion to all things, including humans, that had a black exterior. 
    Do we really need to try to figure out if this deeply ill man was also somewhere on, and if so, at exactly what spot and when he arrived there, the spectrum of racism?  
    Isn't it pretty clear that the entire Dupont affair was poorly handled by wrestling governing bodies?
    And is it really necessary to point out that he treated both (white) Schultz brothers more poorly than anyone else, including by intentionally shooting and killing one of them, such that a major movie and documentary were made on the subject?
    At this transcendent moment in our history, we need our public discourse, in order to help better our society, to have relevant focus while avoiding inflammatory sideshows.
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