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Posts posted by boconnell

  1. 10 hours ago, gowrestle said:

    The NWCA had a good thing going running the National Dual Meet Tournament. A few coaches didn’t like it and now the event is history. Nothing attracts interest more than a dual meet. At the current rate of D1 programs being dropped, it’s just a matter of time till wrestling loses NCAA recognition. 

    I agree.  Dual meets would have defeated covid and Title 9 and universities going broke.  

  2. On 7/2/2020 at 2:48 PM, russelscout said:

    All for football, and none for all. Dont take this as a slight at wrestling. This is a slight at anyone besides football

    A dozen football programs earn tremendous amounts of money.  100 football programs earn decent amounts but spend absurd amounts trying to keep up with the dozen.  At those dozen schools so much money is earned it pays for all non-revenue sports at those schools.  And revenue sharing for the conference mates of those dozen pays for non-revenue sports at lots of other schools.  

    Football may get all, but without it, their would be nothing for half the D1 college athletes that play sports other than football and basketball.  The entire system would crash without the money earned off of football.  If wrestling wants more they simply have to figure out how to earn billions in TV money.

  3. 45 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

    Shnaulty also has length on him, too.

    Don't think Lugo is sniffing 65 keggers, though. He's stout.

    You really think he could make 149 weekly (sometimes multiple times a week), but he can't make 143 a few times a year?  

  4. 22 minutes ago, ShakaAloha said:

    I was impressed by Lugo.  Do you guys think he could be effective at 65 kg?

    Did the outcome of the Lugo-Pletcher match change anyone's predictions for the Pletcher-Ashnault match on Flo?

    Weight shouldn't limit his effectiveness.  He just got done making 149 under folk rules for 4 years and I don't remember hearing about the weight ever being an issue.  Who knows how good he'll be.  At this point he bullied a smaller guy with little senior FS experience.  It is interesting that outside of JO most of our 65 kg guys are on the small side.

  5. 4 hours ago, Antitroll2828 said:

    Or it could just be police just last year were 18.5 percent more likely to be killed by a black man then an unarmed black man killed by police...the statistics don’t back up any of your theories on systemic anything


    This doesn't back up the claim that there are systemic issues with how we police?  You don't think it bothers the police that they have to kill so many people?

  6. 18 hours ago, 1032004 said:

    So safe to say this guy was a racist?  (Former Fencing coach at St. John’s University fired)



    There’s definitely racism in wrestling, but I do think as far as sports go it is probably one of the better ones in terms of race relations...

    I don't think it is.  I think referee bias is very real.  I think on these boards you could do a study and see how often black wrestlers are described as athletic more than anything else.  I think the response to guys celebrating is heavily influenced by skin color.  

    I don't think race relations are worse in wrestling than in most other sports, but they aren't better either.  

  7. On 6/12/2020 at 3:27 PM, Billyhoyle said:

    There are very few disadvantages that compare remotely to the police and society at large (E.g. juries, ppl on street, etc) assuming you are a criminal because of the color of your skin and acting accordingly. What good is a safety net when the color of your skin criminalizes you in the eyes of so many. Listen to the experiences described by the Black wrestlers who were part of the discussion. Ask yourself if any disadvantage you have had is comparable to that. For me, the answer is no. Then consider for a minute that this country stole the labor, possessions, freedom, and livelihood of the ancestors of these same people for hundreds of years. If we do not owe a debt for what was stolen (I believe we do, but it appears as if this will not happen), at least we should all strive for reconciliation. We in the wrestling community should listen to what our top athletes are saying about the experiences of racism within the community and aim to eliminate it/make our community inclusive. 

    Gender is a far bigger factor with the police.  1 in 1000 black men are killed by police. 1 in 2000 white men are killed by police.  1 in 33,000 women are killed by police.  Police are far more likely to shoot people they are threatened by.  They view being male as threatening and they view being black as threatening.  I would also guess size plays a giant role and that large men are shot far more often then small ones.  Age plays a role as well.  This means that to the police, large/young/black men are scary and can't be trusted by police.  

    I believe we have systemic racism and systemic policing issues that intersect to harm black men in very real and very harmful ways.   

  8. 1 hour ago, BigTenFanboy said:

    What part was dishonest? Seriously?

    You do knownthat the whole Palpatine angle was a last minute change right?

    You do know it was in response to the entire story being messed up by episode 8 right?

    These are pretty well know facts amongst the star wars fandom.

    You claim that 9 fit perfectly with 7 right? Why is that a surprise to you? Arent sequels and subsequent movies supposed to fit with their predecessors?

    Bottom line is 8 was trash and the main reason why 9 was trash.


    Btw I dont think youre a dishonest person. I think you may be ignorant though. Episode 9 had to do a series of reshoots very late in the game because the production team was scrambling non-stop to correct the damage of 8.

    8 was a good movie on my own but it's like they had zero care for fitting into a trilogy (let alone 9 movies).  8 ties up every single possible storyline and leaves nothing left to resolve.  It leaves no believable bad guy.  8 erases Fin and Rey's story, erases Fin's usefulness, erases Rey's parents, erases Snoke, and invents space ship fuel.  It also ignores everything that came before.  In episode 5 (the best movie) Luke has half his training and can barely move his lightsaber.  In episode 8 the movie ends with an unnamed child using the force to sweep the floor with his broom.  Worst of all it has a Luke who wanted to murder a kid who might be bad, after episode 6 is resolved by Luke's belief that the most evil man in the galaxy is really good inside.  It is a problem if you arbitrarily change the basis of a character to fit the plot.  Use the cynic Han Solo to drive the kid away, not the optimist Luke Skywalker.  It just completely ignores the other movies and makes a cool space movie.  I wish they gave the director freedom to make all 3 movies, to make his own 3 outside of the skywalker timeframe, or kept him 100 miles away from episode 8.  But the way they make a movie, then erase that movie with the next movie, then erase that movie with the next movie, shows a shocking lack of planning for a multi-billion dollar property.  It results in the patchwork mess that caps off the 9 movies.

  9. 6 hours ago, MSU158 said:

    To be honest, I thought the acting in nearly ALL the 9 episodes is pretty rough.  Mark Hamill has NEVER been a good actor and neither was Carrie Fischer.  Harrison Ford was about the only saving grace in the Original 3.  I chalk that up to casting seeming to go for less than marquee names for the leads, at least in the US.   Anakin was POORLY cast, young and older.  Obviously not a fan of Hamill(Luke) and I had no clue who the 2(Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley) even were when Episode 7 was announced.  

    Simply put, the original 3 benefited from being so unique, at the time, and the story was so gripping that many overlooked the actors themselves.

    The acting isn't great in the first ones, but they aren't written to put a heavy burden on the actors.  Episode 2 asks Anakin to carry long dramatic romance scenes with brutal dialogue and zero chemistry.  The first 3 movies are short on romance and actual acting, but when they call for it they lean on Ford and he swaggers his way through.  Episodes 1 and 3 aren't better acted than episode 2, but they don't put a bad actor in a spot where he has to carry dramatic scenes.  In episode 3 he mostly just glares and lets the story carry him along.  

  10. 1 hour ago, MSU158 said:

    Rogue One was the best of them all!

    Episode 2 was probably my favorite simply due to finally getting to see Yoda in battle.  When he turned on the lightsaber and started flipping around, I damn near pissed myself!

    My wife and I still remember when Yoda pulled his lightsaber and started fighting.  We were in a midnight show and the whole theater went ballistic.  One of my best live movie theater moments.  

    But outside of that scene that's the worst of all star wars movies.  Solo is a cut above it.  The hour of Anakin 'romancing' Padme wouldn't stand up in a Sharknado movie.  The plots of the Lucas prequels are good and the lightsaber scenes are out of this world.  The dialogue is wooden and the acting is mostly bad.  Plus the first movie is ruined by efforts to make it appeal to 8 year olds.  The recent trilogy could have been good if either director made all 3 movies.  Instead they are terribly mismatched and spend half their time taking apart the movies the follow.

    After 4/5/6 I say...3, 7, 9, 1, 8, 2.  Rogue 1 is very good and the Mandalorian is probably better than anything since the orignial 3.   

  11. 13 hours ago, Peso said:

    I've heard rugby is damned taxing from a few former wrestlers.  To me, the Tour de France is the winner.  Roughly 3 weeks of mountain racing.  I've heard it's tougher than running 17 straight marathons, in the mountains.  Three of this year's legs had over 6500' climb in one freaking day.  To each their own, but that's different level stuff there.  Like was noted earlier it's a different kind of shape.  I watched Lance Armstrong win and lose over two years at the Leadville, 100.  It's a hundred mile race, I believe it had 12,000' of climb.  I've done a thousand a couple of times...Let's just say, I have amazing appreciation for what those guys can do.

    Have you ever read about how those guys survive that race by eating insane amounts of calories?  The things they do to keep their intake high while bike riding seem worse than starving myself to make weight.  

  12. 2 hours ago, lu_alum said:

    I've heard the same about water polo.  Only goalies are allowed to touch the bottom of the pool, and there are a lot cheap shots under the water.



    I coached a kid who just finished 8 years in the Navy Seals.  He said it seemed like 1/3 were wrestlers, 1/3 were water polo or swimming, and 1/3 were other athletes in HS.  Said the water polo guys were the only ones in comparable shape to the wrestlers.  

  13. 4 hours ago, Jim L said:

    For those who have not train in the sport, wrestling hard for 30 seconds is the single most exhausting thing on earth.  In a boxing match if you are throwing punches full speed you will get countered, so there has to be a measure pace to punching, not so in wrestling

    I wrestled for the first time in 10th grade.  I was in good shape from other sports when I started but wrestling was brutal.  

    When I was in phenomenal wrestling shape I tried boxing for fun and felt like I had anvils tied to my arms.  Throwing punches in gloves without prior training was tiring like nothing I've ever experienced.  Throwing punches with gloves on is an alien thing to the human body and if you're not used to it you punch yourself out immediately.

  14. It's impossible for most people to look back at Burroughs in college without looking at what he did in Freestyle (shortly after and all the way until today).  Folkstyle wrestling is not freestyle wrestling.  There are hundreds of examples of this.  Burroughs is made for freestyle wrestling and became one of the best Americans and maybe the 10 best humans at freestyle wrestling in the history of the world.  That doesn't mean college Burroughs was better at Folkstyle wrestling than college Burroughs actually was.  That Burroughs could absolutely be slowed down and frustrated by tactical wrestling/stalling and top wrestling.  Tyler Caldwell was less than 30 seconds away from beating him at the conference tournament and gave up a reversal instead of an escape.  In that match Burroughs was the better wrestler by about 5000% but got dragged out of his match.  2 weeks later he avoided that and majored him.  But pretending he was world champion Burroughs in March of 2011 is forgetting he wasn't and he was competing in a different sport.

  15. 9 hours ago, JHRoseWrestling said:

    I could see the version of Cody Brewer who won 133 on THAT WEEKEND coming out on top of a field comprised of the other 133 pounders during their championship runs.  It was something to behold.

    His kitchen sink offensive arsenal was awesome.  He overwhelmed most guys.  One of my favorite guys to watch.

  16. 1 hour ago, Antitroll2828 said:

    He was never healthy wrestling wise after that injury, his shoulder didn’t hold up at all wrestling freestyle, which is why he went over to MMA, he’s given multiple interviews where he mentions this. Ben askren pointed out just a few months ago when discussing Cassar that shoulder injuries hold up much better in MMA then they do in wrestling.

    I hadn't heard that about shoulders.  I guess it makes sense.  

    Either way I wasn't intending to knock Caldwell.  More elevate the heights he temporarily reached.  Our sport is all about peaking, and he did it perfectly that weekend.

  17. 58 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

    Yea he broke his shoulder in a roller blading accident that offseason and was never the same...apparently blood round as true freshman, 5th at arguably the toughest weight ever, then undefeated champ shows he only peaked 1 weekend in March 

    He wrestled healthy in freestyle and competed for years in MMA.  He didn't have any kind of debilitating injury that changed him forever.  

    And yes, crushing Metcalf to win a title is a huge peak compared to round of 12/5th/DNP due to injury.  It's kind of the definition of peaked.  

  18. 1 hour ago, Perry said:

    Didn't he get seriously injured the following year when Dake would have been a sophomore? He also went undefeated that year, so to say he was not going to grind out 3 months of winning seems a little off maybe?

    He wrestled 15 matches in the next 2 years.  He was never healthy for a season again.  That supports my point he wasn't a season long guy.  That's not to say he wasn't great.  He was.  I'd take him at his peak over any 149.  He just had a short peak.  He was better suited to an international schedule or the MMA schedule he went to where he could get up for one big tournament/match.  That's why I'd call him the best one time 149 champ if judged on NCAA tournament performance when they won their championship.  

  19. 2 hours ago, MSU158 said:

    Robles-One of the best senior seasons of all time.  IMHO

    Garrett-He was incredible once he stopped cutting all that weight.

    Cliff Moore-Probably the most dominating upset in NCAA History over Scott Moore.  Scott was pinning damn near everyone and was easily on pace to win the Hodge.  Cliff beat him 14-2 in the semis!

    Jantzen-He was just so good in so many positions.  Schlatter was the best true freshmen I had ever seen.

    Becker-Tough competition-  Snyder, Nakamura, Roller, Owen, Bertin,Maynard and Powell. Actuall, 157 was sooo stacked all 4 years he competed.

    Howe-He was better before the 2 year layoff.

    Koscheck-Very dynamic and was on fire that season.

    Shane Webster-37-1 beat Glenn and Kish to win it all!

    Gadsen-I really like Davis as well, but Gadsen was a wrecking ball in a really tough weigh class.

    Cassar-Other than the blip against White, the man was a machine.  Beating Steveson multiple times trumps anything any other 1 timer accomplished!


    I agree 100% with Robles.  

    I don't think Cassar fares well against big heavyweight champs.  I can't see him double legging guys 50 pounds heavier.  Tough style matchup.  He beat Gable but mostly he just let Gable carry action until he got tired.  It was tactical brilliance but not indicative of him reaching some super high level that would translate into beating other champs.  

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