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  1. I think the bye is appropriate. The number one concern of the World Team Trials should be putting the best world team together. You should never sacrifice that goal to make the US open more interesting. But I would love a more important US open. Try putting more time between the events so there is less fatigue/peaking/injury concerns. Try attaching some of the prize money associated with world medals/world team membership with being US Open champ. Determine world cup participation and funded overseas trips by the us open. Get creative. But don't base the trials format on anything other than what puts the best World Team on the mat.
  2. Now we're having fun. I agree that I was just as pointless and stubborn in this useless internet argument as you were. But I think I was more right than you were. I also think Mark Hall is a very fortunate young man to have these great options.
  3. You are really going to go semantics and say you argued for both not one and that makes me wrong? You clearly care about winning an internet argument than anything else. But since I'm bored let's have an internet argument... Again, if it's about a half dozen guys, Oklahoma State has everyone beat. Ryan Blees is the SEVENTH best guy in those weights for OSU. They have the top current college guy in the country at BOTH weights. And then they have Esposito, Perry, Foster, and Caldwell who I forgot to mention as coaches/PGs. Plus, lots of that depth is young and is guaranteed to actually be there for the next 4-6 years when Hall would be there. I would even guess that in the years Hall is actually in College (2016-2020) that Dieringer is more relevant on the Freestyle scene than Dake or Taylor. And are you seriously going to argue that wrestling with Burroughs doesn't help that much since Green didn't win a national championship? You really think James Green's career was lesser because of the weakness of the Nebraska room relative to places like PSU or Cornell? What was the superior room that Isaiah Martinez used to beat Green? I think you don't think any of these things. I think you had an opinion based mostly on Ohio State, Cornell, and Penn St, and that you simply forgot Oklahoma State, but rather than just admitting it you are now arguing it. And honestly I am happy you are arguing it. It's fun comparing things.
  4. I never said you were either school's fan. I said maybe you would argue in favor of one (like you already did). If you think wrestling with Dake and Taylor trumps everything, then Nebraska and Burroughs trumps PSU and Cornell. If it is about best talent at 165-174 then it is Ok state. But this is exactly my point. We can all make definitive statements about what's best and who's best, and none of it matters. This kid will go wherever he wants and none of the logic in this thread will have any bearing.
  5. That is a big and totally false statement. They have great rooms, but nobody has more current talent from 165-174 then Oklahoma State (Blees, Dieringer, Marstellar, Smith, Rodgers, Crutchmer, Rodgers just in those two weight classes). That includes the best wrestler in all of college at 165 and the highest returning placer at 174. Then you throw in Perry, Esposito, and Foster in the room as coaches/work out guys. Maybe you'll still argue in favor of PSU or Cornell, but it is dumb to say they trounce everyone else. The bottom line is the kid will get top coaching and competition any of about half a dozen places. So every school's fans can prove in a message board why he should go there, and in the end the kid might pick based on weather, school, which mascot he likes, which teammates he bonds with on a recruiting trip, who has the most pretty girls, which coach his parents like, or any of 100 things that matter to 18 year olds.
  6. I don't know about any injury correlation, but you really don't think not cutting weight allows a guy to hang around longer? I would think many wrestlers would continue to compete longer if they didn't have to cut weight.
  7. Then we definitely need to keep it off a message board.
  8. Thanks for clarifying. You also make my point a bit. The greatest 120 lb wrestler in history would get hammered by every 185 in the world championships. But many undersized guys move up to heavyweight and win championships. But I agree with you about technique. On one level heavyweight is very technical. You have to be perfect in your technique because of how you are made to pay for a mistake (like you pointed out in getting stuck under a guy on a shot). Lighter weight wrestlers can get away with technical errors easier. But there is a far smaller variety of technique used at heavyweight. Many techniques just don't work physiologically at 285, so there is far less to prepare for and to worry about. So I don't believe it is more or less technical, just a slightly different sport really. But the competition level is undoubtedly lower and longevity is undoubtedly easier. That's a factor when comparing guys across weight classes.
  9. So your reasoning for how good heavyweights are is that you had a hard time as a 185 wrestling them? That means you were %65 of their size. I bet 120 lb guys (same percentage difference) would have been impressed and unable to walk after wrestling you and the other 185s. I am a big fan of the heavyweights. Almost all of the most successful kids I coached in HS were Heavyweights. But just distribution of weight alone tells us that there are fewer adults, fewer competitors, and thus relatively less talent at heavyweight than middleweight. Additionally, most of them don't have to cut any serious weight which allows for greater longevity. Heavyweights should be well respected and it is an integral part of our sport. But when comparing across weight classes I would always give the edge to a middle weight over a heavy (or lightweight) when all other things are equal..
  10. Was Tervel not going a coach's decision or an injury issue? Overall some really great wrestling. We scored takedowns at every weight but heavy. I'm an Oklahoma State guy but our guys did not look good. Scott has the offense to beat anyone if he is in shape, but it was embarrassing what happened to him after the 2 minute mark. Varner with a clutch takedown was awesome. Metcalf was very impressive. I've never seen him look that good defensively. He dominated that match with head and hands. The Iranian never got off a decent attack. That was the best Burroughs has looked in two years. You have to appreciate the Iranian fans. They make me fans of the Iranian guys by their passion.
  11. So after watching all that your take away is that Tervel got a gift and Varner lost to a blue chipper? How about Tervel saved the day after Varner stood around for 6 minutes? Or Varner watched the clock and held hands while losing? Your biased post deflects all blame from the guys you like. I kind of understand that. It is biased but so are the posts from half the people on here. What I don't understand is why you would dump on the guy who won the dual.
  12. Great match from Tervel. Keeps it alive for US
  13. That was brutal watching Varner stand around for the last 2 minutes while losing.
  14. I think the match was called correctly by the off the mat officials, but the mat ref was clueless. By the end the guy looked content to just be an observer and let them correct him.
  15. This official in the Marable match is terrible.
  16. Salas was very explosive half a dozen times after the injury. He also never had even a slight limp during the action. He may have been affected, but Ruth did not score 22 points just because Salas was hurt.
  17. I don't think Taylor was ever D2.
  18. I would love to see all the paragraphs and how they erase facts, history, and logic. The kid had 3 NCAA wins in his 5 year collegiate wrestling career. His brother was an NCAA all-american and potential National Champ who got derailed by injury. Andrew was a great High School wrestler.
  19. Dieringer hits the fireman's a ton.
  20. I am fine with a fall being worth twice as much as a normal win. But right now a winners bracket fall is triple a regular win and it becomes 5 times as much in the losers side. This is a problem, especially since Saturday morning has a huge amount of medical forfeits. They need to double the advancement points.
  21. He is not the head coach. He does not have responsibility for improving the team as a whole. He should not receive the majority of the credit or blame for overall team performance. When/if he gets a head coaching job one day we can start measuring his ability by NCAA team performance. Until then you can see his limited impact on part of a team and take a guess at what kind of coach he might be.
  22. Crutchmer at 184 is a question. He was hugely improved this year vs last, so he may do much better at 184 than he did there last year, but you never know. He has a pretty bad gas tank for a guy who finished 5th and I wonder if not cutting at 184 makes it worse because he doesn't have to work as hard, or makes it better because he is not cutting. Plus, 184 is just much tougher. He will be the top returning finisher at 174 and at 184 he is in a very tough pack. Figuring out how to get Rodgers/Marstellar in the lineup and seeing if Marsden can show up for nationals will decide if they are a serious threat to win or not.
  23. Will this cause them to fix the seeding? A 2X all-american who is 17-1 and split with the #6 seed (winning the most recent), and they make him the 13 somehow? Ridiculous. It's not like he had 5 or 10 matches. It's not like Stauffer or some other small conference guys who got seeded high had more high quality wins. It's not like he was hurt in the end of the season or had a bad conference tournament. Probably the worst seeding decision ever.
  24. I took a picture of the TV with Brown clearly having both knees up, no hand down, and :01 on the clock. Someone more tech savvy than me can post, but it is very clear. It is not evidence of a bad call at all. Reaction time is a judgement call and that ref made it. But it is not up for debate whether he was on his feet with :01 left.
  25. His knees were both off the mat, thus the off the mat. When a knee came down there was :01 left.
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