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Everything posted by boconnell

  1. Because Matt doesn't have a scholarship saying he can't be in business school if he takes hundreds of thousands of dollars. I agree with you that it's an arbitrary rule. But it's also arbitrary to compare apples and oranges.
  2. Or it has something to do with Metcalf losing as a junior and senior. I know I didn't consider him losing FS matches when I didn't pick him.
  3. I think Dieringer is like 1 in 10 with him. And that might be too generous. JB is clearly better and Dieringer was not a great top guy or a guy with great tactics. He horsed people around and exploded through people. He has little chance against JB. But the Caldwell match shows that even peak college JB had some mat issues and some tactics issues. He could sometimes be dragged away from his match. I think Dake is maybe the best tactical wrestler ever. I think his defense in neutral is elite. I think his riding is near legendary. I think that's the right mix of skills to shrink a 7 minute match to short manageable stretches. I wouldn't be surprised by edge wrestling, clinging on top, counter half shots to avoid stalling, and a victory in ride outs by Dake. I just think folkstyle matches allow tons of ways to win and Dake uses all of them to win more than he loses in that matchup.
  4. Senior JB was 20 seconds away from losing to Tyler Caldwell at BIg 12s. I think people are transposing what he did in FS onto what he was doing on a college mat a few months earlier. I think it's clear senior JB could go takedowns and win with any 165 of the past decade (or any other decade in history). What's being forgotten is college wrestling allows guys who aren't as good on their feet to shrink a match and win without winning the TD battle. I don't think JB takes down Dake repeatedly, and that's what it would take for him to offset the mat and tactics advantage. But I'm totally fine with you thinking otherwise. I just think you acting like it's no argument is false.
  5. What he did a few months after in a different style also has zero relevance. I give the advantage to JB, but Dieringer is better than anyone JB beat in college.
  6. Great topic. I think you'd have to really reach to be 'wrong'. I'm going off of peak at that weight class. 125 Robles - I don't think the answer exists for what he brought as a senior. 133 - ???, Sophomore Oliver was tough before the terrible weight cut his junior year. Stieber is a great answer. Brewer was awesome in 2015. He beat undefeated Dardenes 15-3 in the semis at NCAAs. He missed time injured and got a ridiculous 13 seed and blitzed the field. He was 22-1 with the only loss to Earl Hall a bit fluky. Ramos is really good. But in the end I go with Ness. He was the Hodge winner in 2010 and being from the start of the decade probably keeps him off of most lists. 141 - Stieber. Heil erases almost half a decade by winning titles but having zero claim to this crown. Luckily Stieber dominated the other half. 149 - Probably the best weight. Metcalf, Dake, Molinaro, Zain. But I go with Senior Jordan Oliver. Without the weight cut he blitzed the field. 157 - It's tempting to put Dake here, but only because it fits the roster. He was best at 165. Nolf is the pick. 165 - Dake. Better than 149 now that I think about it. Burroughs, Taylor, and Dieringer were awesome in college. Martinez and Joseph short of those 4 but still good enough to be in other weights. Dake was simply better in college than all of these awesome wrestlers. 174 - Ruth. Valencia is great and is a fine choice. Perry's destruction of Howe in the finals was in the best 5 wins of the decade but he got beat 2 weeks earlier. Borschel kicked off the decaede strong. But Ruth all day here. 184 - Nickal. I don't think anyone has made great wrestlers look worse. He looked effortless like Ruth but without looking disinterested. 197 - Cox 285 - Snyder. Although I wouldn't be shocked to see college Tony Nelson beat college Snyder in a folkstyle match.
  7. Maybe he can get the 'Looked better than another guy who didn't win' award.
  8. Have a blast. I've been to lots of amazing live sporting events and NCAAs is the best. There isn't an event anywhere with a more engaged fan base. Every person there is a hardcore fan and every match has intense rooting interests in multiple directions. There is nothing else like it.
  9. I'm not an insider. He may be handling his weight poorly. But he was chubby at 165 and is as fat as any non-heavyweight wrestler you'll see at 174. He may be sucking water weight but it is not a measure of having too big of a weight cut.
  10. His assistants are improving guys as well as anyone. Derek White, Weigel, Geer, Boyd, etc., were not household names when they showed up as recruits. They get tons of in house improvement. Their average Nationals finish is way higher than their average team recruiting ranking. Guerrero was a part of that but he wasn't the upperweight coach (where the most improvement was). He also wasn't recruiting as well as the guys in place now. The only thing noticeable about Guerrero's absence is that they have gotten better. And the only thing noticeable about his presence at OU is...actually nothing is different. Almost nobody on the team is cutting hard. Last year Weigel was the only guy cutting hard and he was a short 197. Going to 285 wasn't an option. Their upcoming recruiting class is as good as any ever assembled. Most is from outside Oklahoma. They will not have recruiting as an excuse if they don't win. If guys are drinking in season then you are right about alcohol. And Smith doesn't need to do anything different in the corner. No wrestler ever won or lost a match because his coach was too excited in the corner.
  11. The only lineup shifts and headaches I can recall are Marstellar trying to go 157 to make the team, and Joe Smith being the fattest non-heavyweight in the country, but staying in the lineup (occasionally). Neither were due to weight class rigidity. Marstellar couldn't make the team without the cut and Joe can't make weight even at 174 this year. There are coaching issues that can be pointed at, but they have zero to do with a team culture of weight cutting. I think the harder than average weight cutting went out the window with Jordan Oliver's junior year. Since then OSU has bumped as many guys as any team in the country and rarely has wrestlers who look big for their weight class.
  12. I think it's completely impossible to argue Joe Smith is cutting too much weight.
  13. So 2017. Good diagnosis for why their upperweights are unsettled this year.
  14. I don't think you're the minority, and you're definitely right. Geer wanted to drop so him and Jacobe at their weights was how it should be. Especially after Geer bumped most of the season for the team. He got to wrestle where he belonged and that was good. But Joe Smith shouldn't have even been allowed to wrestle off after the 'season' he had.
  15. Which guys are cutting too much weight? This tired old idea is based off of how they ran their program a decade ago. Their entire team this year probably has one guy cutting even a decent amount of weight (picc). And their upperweights that you responded to are all small, showing you weren't actually responding to the comment, you were just looking to climb a soapbox.
  16. 100%. The majority of ORS guys have zero chance at making the team. They just want an extra year. The NCAA should get rid of all RSs of all type and just give guys 5 years to compete in 4 post seasons.
  17. So is it about participation medals or revenue? If revenue goes up do the participation medals become real medals? You should have thought this out logically so you'd have decent answers for your sad troll job. I am guessing a guy who got 8th at NCAAs stuffed you in a locker and stole your girlfriend.
  18. I love that someone is dumb enough to look at College wrestling and College football, compare the two, and come away thinking that wrestlers get too much recognition compared to football players.
  19. If it's a problem for you then stop reading after 12 and don't watch Session 5 at NCAAs.
  20. Then OSU has now won and lost a dual by skin condition.
  21. And my point was that in 4 NCAAs Rosholt beat every single better wrestler he wrestled and he was undefeated against every guy who had a previous win against him.
  22. Probably a tie and who knows who wins if Princeton gets their 165 through skin check.
  23. Rosholt beat tons of guys at NCAAs who were flat out better than him. He owes his career to way overperforming under the March lights and owes no thanks to Stender.
  24. And he was 185? What's the point of putting a weigh in on paper if you aren't competing?
  25. Really? I'm amazed he would step on an official scale that heavy when he wasn't wrestling in the match. Can someone confirm this?
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