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Posts posted by boconnell

  1. 1 hour ago, MSU158 said:

    First off, I don't think ANY of the coaches at PSU, prior to Cael, where at the level of Koll.  Also, PSU was a SLEEPING GIANT for a very long time.  All it took was the right HC.  The same can be said about tOSU, prior to Ryan.  

    If Koll was at PSU, he would have woken the Giant as well.   Now, I am not saying he would have "refined" the Giant nearly to the level that Cael has, but he would have made them strong enough that the years 110ish type points would have been enough to win, they would have.

    Also, I think he IS a top 5 HC and Cael is the ONLY 1 clearly ahead of him.  With the right resources, he could and would beat anyone with equal or lesser resources, 2 out of 10.  Which would be enough to have won 2 in the past 10!

    I agree he's top 5.  I agree Cael is the only one clearly ahead of him. He absolutely might be the 2nd best coach going these days.  He also fits Cornell perfectly.  

    I disagree that PSU was a slam dunk to improve.  They are a historic also ran that I think would return to below elite status even now if Cael left.  I think they are geographically in the right spot and the rest is about Cael.  I think with any coach other than Cael they stay well behind the historic powers (OSU, Iowa).  I think PSU under Koll is in the hunt but clearly behind those 2 and the Cael ISU teams (since he stays there in this scenario).  Tom Ryan won a title in the one down year for PSU.  It's totally possible Koll wins a title in a year like that, but I think it's less than 50/50 and I think multiple in 10 years is super unlikely.  

  2. 2 hours ago, MSU158 said:

    Man, do I ever disagree with your take on Koll.  I agree that Cael makes it look easy when it isn't.  But, Koll really is an ELITE HC.  With what PSU has to offer, along with his VERY strong CEO/Marketing/Networking acumen, he ABSOLUTELY would have won a couple.  The guy identifies potential as well as ANYONE and develops it just as well.

    I am not sure you realize what he has done with the limitations an IVY school has.  I know there is the "grey shirting" angle, but there is NO basic redshirt, nor scholarships for that matter.  Selling an IVY league degree, may offset some of that, but not all.

    Simply put, let him loose on PA recruits and he banks.  Give him facetime with the same donors and he generates similar revenue.  In no way would he match what Sanderson has done, but he would be the best coach PSU has had and WOULD produce top notch results!

    Koll is a great coach.  But all of the coaches at PSU for decades couldn't do it.  

    And Koll at PSU doesn't remove the rest of the great coaches (including Cael).  So Koll would take over a team that hadn't won since 1953.  That team was 17th the year before Cael arrived, and in Cael's first year they were 9th.  That same year Cornell was 2nd with 90 team points. 

    So Cael started well behind Koll and then passed him within a year.  But you think Koll would have shown up and passed up ISU Cael and Brands, Smith, JRob, and about to explode Tom Ryan at tOSU?  And you think he would have done it multiple times?

    I think what he has done at Cornell is awesome but it doesn't mean he'd go to a 2nd tier PSU and beat the best college coaches in the country.    

  3. Koll doesn't win one at PSU.  Cael has made it look easy but it's not.  Nobody came close to doing this at PSU before him and nobody came close to doing this at ISU after him.  Cael is that good.  Koll is a great coach who'd have very good teams near the top end of what PSU did in the 20 years before Cael. 

    Cael would have won eventually at ISU but not like he did at PSU.  He already had David Taylor on the way so he would have built the brand, but without the recruiting advantages of PSU he is winning some but not all.

  4. 25 minutes ago, Mphillips said:

    "I say make it where you can take a Olympic RS but you only get the year back if you place top 3 in the trials."

    Yikes!  That's pretty damn punishing to a kid who hopes and aspires to represent his/her country.


    The problem is that the majority of the young men taking Olympic RSs have no real plans to represent their countries in 2020.  They have zero realistic shot but do it for personal/team reasons.  

    Aside from Yianni, Lee, and Fix (maybe Arujau) I can't see anyone with a realistic shot to be top 3, let alone make the team.  Maybe I'm missing someone, but why give out years to guys who don't need them and know they don't need them?

  5. If he's doing it to make the Olympic team than more power to him.

    If he's doing it to setup future VT lineups than that's terrible.  

    I say make it where you can take a Olympic RS but you only get the year back if you place top 3 in the trials. I think if that was the case we'd suddenly have almost nobody taking pointless RSs.

  6. 15 minutes ago, DrStrange said:

    He could push for wrestling. He could be involved in the sport that got him in to Stanford to start with. Where was the guy from? Kansas? He could be cutting hay right now instead of sitting in an air conditioned office NOT supporting wrestling. We need more wrestlers to give back to the sport. Many of the former D1 guys don't touch it again after they leave. Social climbers gonna climb.

    You just stood out for stupidity on an internet forum.  That's not easy to do.  

  7. 2 hours ago, Bryan said:

    There is enough oil & natural gas money affiliated with Rice that starting a program would not be a concern.  The issue becomes who would they wrestle and why would they want to travel half way around the world to compete.  I do not see Rice beginning a wrestling program in the next ten years.

    The oil and gas money powers the MBA program and the engineering.  It has zero affect on football.  It would have no affect on wrestling.

  8. 11 hours ago, 1032004 said:

    This thread taught me that apparently Rice has good academics.

    I’ve never heard much about them other than when they won the college baseball World Series in the early 2000’s.

    Nice campus in a cool neighborhood though.  Took a jog through it when I was in the area for work a couple years ago.

    #1 rated college in the entire southwest.  Legitimately on par with Ivy leagues.  Huge endowment and super small enrollment.  Ties to NASA and others.  Kennedy's famous speech about us going to the moon was there.  They do a house system for every student like Princeton does (or Harry Potter).  They just don't care about the same stuff as most colleges.  They are bad at almost all sports (baseball and a few exceptions), and they have leaned into it and stopped caring.  Niche university with colossal (well earned) academic pride.

    College wrestling in Texas will unfortunately be viable only in the enrollment driven small universities.  I could maybe see a large public school adding women's wrestling if it counts as a women's sport, but even then not men's.  There is just no groundswell, no support, and no real need.  We have one great HS and that school is located less than 3 hours from OU.  We create maybe half a dozen NCAA qualifiers in a great year and they all happily leave.  I'd love to see it at a big school but just don't see it happening.

  9. 7 hours ago, MDogg said:

    I don’t think a bronze medal should get you the same advantage and treatment as a gold medal. Especially in this double bronze era. USA wrestling has made HUGE strides over the past 10+ years and I think we need to stop rewarding a top 3 or top 4 finisher the same way we reward an actual champ. Does anyone really think it’s in USA Wrestling’s best interest to pretend Joe Colon had the same level of performance at the 2018 World’s as Dake, Cox, Taylor and Snyder and thus needs to be treated/protected in the same manner? He didn’t and he got the exact same treatment and protection. 

    Totally agree on the first point. System is completely flawed if someone who hasn’t won a single match in the prior 9 months is our Olympic rep after one person gets injured. Let them settle it on the mat. Olympics are once every 4 years and optimizing our team is worth the hassle of having an extra wrestle-off if our OTT winner gets injured and can’t go.

    The Bronze doesn't get rewarded because it's equal to the gold.  It gets rewarded because it's greater then the rest of the weight class.  Every wrestler had a chance to earn bronze at 61 and only Colon did.  That makes him the most qualified 61 KG wrestler in the country right now and that earns him an advantage.  The advantage is about him versus the rest of 61, not him vs a gold in another weight.  I'm fine if they take it away, but I'm also fine with them keeping it.

  10. I'm okay with massive advantages for medalists.  It keeps them wrestling and winning medals longer and they only maintain the advantage until they stop winning medals.  

    But I agree that you should have to beat someone to make the team.  Meaning if you bye into 2nd place and 1st place gets hurt you should have to wrestle the 3rd place guy for the spot.  There is no way you should be able to make the team without a win in the current year.  

  11. 15 hours ago, Ogalthorpe Haywood said:

    I’ve been pretty clear on my point from the beginning, the new rules will be a detriment to Cox if he decides to cut. Not much into reading huh? There’s a much higher chance Cox looks like Green at 86 than looking like himself at 97

    I didn't realize you had been clear from the beginning.  Cox shouldn't bother trying if that's the case.

  12. 13 hours ago, Lurker said:

    Snyder will have a strength advantage but I don’t see him just horsepowering Cox around. He has some horse power himself. Cox is also going to have speed, athleticism, and if his current trend continues, technique advantages. I don’t think he’ll stay in the close ties a lot and allow KS to use his hand fighting, etc. It’s a hell of a match up.  

    I don't think he has a speed advantage.  Snyder gets to the leg quicker while Cox is probably quicker in defense.  I think he's longer and that's probably his biggest advantage in that match.  I think Snyder will control the circle and that will put the onus on Cox to score offensively which will be tough on him.  

  13. 2 hours ago, nom said:

    I suppose Ringer could have skipped Dogu if he felt that peaking for so long is a bad thing.  

    I need to bail out of this too ....

    I’ll summarize my stance:

    USAWrestling has a rule in place that says returning world medalists may delay their final X bout until right before leaving for acclimation camp.  The spirit of this rule is to help ensure we have the best wrestler representing the USA.  

    It is obvious, on its face, that the intention is to allow the injured returning medalist to get back to wrestling form so that they stand a chance of winning at Final X. If you disagree with this, I’d rather not continue the discussion with you.

    Dake was injured.  He has been recovering and trying to get back to form.  A date was selected for the wrestle off that is BEFORE the final deadline.  But it is LATER than his opponent would like. 

    As part of getting back to form, which again, is inherently part of permitting a delay for the returning medalist, Dake’s camp felt that going to a competition would help.   Some feel that this is not fair.  I do not get this idea of being unfair.  Why should USA wrestling or anyone else dictate how the returning medalist gets back to form?  The answer is .. there is no answer.  They should not.

    During the process, Dieringer is going to a competition as well.  Some feel that the timeline of events is harming Dieringer and that he will somehow be in less than peak form on the date of August 17 and / or be in sub peak form at Worlds.  Seems to be conjecture.  I do not get why. If a big concern, he could skip Dogu and have given himself some downtime and avoided the drag of travel.  Apparently he doesn’t feel he needs the downtime.  

    All in all the outrage is .... in my humble opinion, is ridiculous.

     I do believe some are upset over the date being later than preferred.  I get it.  To a degree.

    But ... let’s see the timeline as it stands for Ringer

    Right now it is:

    Final X Rutgers June 8 (didn’t wrestle)

    Dogu - July 10th ish

    Wrestle off - Aug 17

    Worlds - Sept 20

    he could skip Dogu  but he  Isn’t.  Could have had 2+ month ‘break. Choose not to do that.  Dogu must have value to him.  Feels he can peak often enough I guess.


    Some would prefer this schedule

    Final X  - June 8 (didn’t wrestle)

    Wrestle off Aug 1

    Worlds - Sept 20

    Still needing to peak over a multi month time frame.  Gets 16 extra days before worlds.  But misses the experience of  Dogu.  But also gets a longer break.  A trade off. 

    So, I can see some preferring the later timeline, but the outrage and slandering are unreal. I bet Dieringer values going to Dogu.


    But some are haters or are trolling (TBar is prime example - or at least he is a hypocrite - I’m waiting for him to tear down DT based on his ‘gaming’ of the system).


    Peace to all!!!

    And I hope Dake and Dieringer are both healthy, feeling great, and wrestle well.  Whoever wins, I’ll be rooting hard for gold.





    Notice every American with a choice isn't wrestling past July 10 so they have time to peak for worlds.  

    Dieringer is being forced to wrestle 6 weeks after everyone else.  This is a timeline that USA Wrestling clearly sees as less than ideal.  There is no way Dake would choose to compete on August 17 if he was healthy all year.  It is clearly not ideal in a perfect world situation.  There is no way you don't get that. 

    So Dake got to delay because that was the rule.  But that was also the end of the rules.  There is no rule for how long he gets to delay, only an open argument to commence after the extension is filed (an extension filed at the last minute when there was no reason for it to be last minute).  That open argument commenced and Dake got a vote to go his way pushing all the way to August 17.  Let me add here the worst part of this whole fiasco USAW served up.  Burroughs got to vote against Dake even though Dake's status this year directly affects JB's next year.  That is a ridiculous conflict of interest.  But even with JB voting against him Dake carries the day and a wrestle off date is chosen that puts both guys on a timeline that the other 9 wrestlers all choose to avoid. 

    Then a month later Dake shows up able to compete but still somehow 6 weeks away from being able to wrestle Dieringer.  It's almost like after achieving basic health, Dake needs a 6 week run up to peak for the trials.  You have argued the validity of this a dozen times.  But somehow you can't see why anyone would think Dieringer needs 6 weeks to peak for worlds.  You are either incredibly dense or you just refuse to see things in any light other than the one you decided when you put your red glasses on in the morning.  

  14. 4 minutes ago, nom said:

    Is Aug 17 that bad?  More than a month out from Worlds?

    Is this date worse for Dieringer than it is for Dake?  Dake’s Goal is to win worlds.  If this date is so bad, why would he pick it if he felt he could be ready earlier?  Curious about the incentives.





    Seriously?  Why would an injured guy who wants to win balance making the team vs being ready?

    Can you seriously not see why August 17th would help Dake but not Dieringer?  I feel like you're being deliberately obtuse here.

  15. 5 minutes ago, Molsen said:

    Then I'm guessing you are upset with Taylor's Gamesmanship also? His was worse imo.

    I never said I was upset with Dake's.  But Taylor's was definitely worse (not that I'm mad at his either).  

    I expect guys to have some gamesmanship.  I looked for any edge as a coach. 

    I just think a spade should be called a spade, and too many Dake fans are acting like he is simply doing what is medically necessary with no other motivation.

  16. 41 minutes ago, ugarte said:

    "why did he follow the rules?"

    the last day to file is a valid day to file. why would he file any earlier when filing earlier means making judgments about your own future on *less* information. not only does everyone know the deadline date but - based only on what was posted on this board - everyone knew that dake was going to ask for an extension. the idea that dieringer was surprised by the request because it came on the last day is silly.

    If it takes 2 months of prep to get ready (including international travel and competition), then what more information was needed to ask for the extension?  What's the point in asking last minute if you knew you needed the time?

    If you can't acknowledge the gamesmanship going on you're squeezing your eyes shut and burying your head in the sand.

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