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  1. Good point on Adeline Gray. The original premise of this thread was to ask whether your state's GOAT was undefeated in high school. Since Adeline didn't wrestle in high school, I didn't even think about her; but with 9 world medals, including 6 gold and an Olympic silver medal, she's perhaps the most successful of all US women's freestylers (with only Helen Maroulis in the same conversation). As for the men's side, I think it's clearly Schultz if only considering accomplishments while a high schooler. If he ends up eventually winning an NCAA title, then he'll likely have the GOAT title no matter what criteria is being considered. But until then, I think if you factor in post high school success, Ryan Deakin also has to be part of that conversation given his NCAA title and equally impressive post high school freestyle accomplishments. Since neither of their wrestling careers are over yet, we may need to revisit this debate again in a few years.
  2. And the other recent one that we both spaced out mentioning is Dominick Serrano. While Schultz was undefeated in Colorado high school competition, he did have the two Ironman finals losses. Serrano and Kyle Sand (both also wrestling in the large school divisions) are the only two Coloradans to run the table all 4 years of high school. But, I think if you take everything into account, Schultz is a pretty easy call for Colorado's GOAT, with only Ryan Deakin (with his NCAA championship, junior world sliver medal, and US Open championship) a legitimate challenger if post high school accomplishments are factored in.
  3. Any Colorado list has to include Cohlton Schultz. He was a 4X state champion in the large school division, going undefeated in Colorado, with his only losses coming in the finals at Ironman his freshman and sophomore years. Schultz was a two-time Ironman champ, a four-time Doc Buchanan champ (while giving a 4X California state champ his only loss of his high school career), a cadet Greco world champ and junior world Greco bronze and silver medalist -- all while in high school. He's since added senior world teams and a runner-up NCAA finish to his resume. Not only is it hard to leave him off the GOAT list for Colorado, it would be hard to not put him at the very top -- especially when just considering accomplishments during high school. And if we include post high school accomplishments, Ryan Deakin and Henry Cejudo would probably be the only ones who could so far stake a better claim for Colorado's GOAT than Schultz. (With an Olympic title, it's hard to argue against Cejudo, but he grew up in Arizona, spending only his final two years of high school in Colorado.)
  4. The median finish between 2008 and 2022 for Iowa and PSU is third (Iowa = 3) and first (PSU = 1), respectively.
  5. That's a large enough sample size to be statistically significant. This basically says that Penn State is 30% more successful than the average. That's an anomaly that can't be explained by random chance. This is clear evidence that something is a little bit different at Penn State compared to the average successful division 1 wrestling program.
  6. State Points Population Points / 1M Pop New Jersey 146.5 8,870,685 16.52 Minnesota 88.5 5,739,781 15.42 Pennsylvania 195 12,805,190 15.23 Colorado 75 5,961,083 12.58 Wisconsin 65 5,867,518 11.08 Illinois 134.5 12,518,071 10.74 Idaho 18 1,896,652 9.49 Wyoming 5.5 582,233 9.45 Oklahoma 36 4,007,179 8.98 Ohio 92 11,727,377 7.84 Indiana 53.5 6,842,385 7.82 Iowa 24 3,174,426 7.56 Michigan 71.5 9,995,212 7.15 West Virginia 9 1,755,715 5.13 Missouri 31.5 6,184,843 5.09 Arizona 35 7,640,796 4.58 Kansas 13 2,919,179 4.45 Maryland 27 6,075,314 4.44 North Dakota 3 774,008 3.88 Alaska 2.5 720,763 3.47 New York 63.5 19,223,191 3.30 Montana 3 1,093,117 2.74 North Carolina 27.5 10,807,491 2.54 Washington 12 7,887,965 1.52 Florida 33.5 22,177,997 1.51 California 53 39,664,128 1.34 Nebraska 2.5 1,960,790 1.27 Utah 4 3,363,182 1.19 Virginia 10 8,638,218 1.16 Cuba 12 11,315,021 1.06 South Carolina 4 5,342,388 0.75 Connecticut 2.5 3,546,588 0.70 Georgia 5.5 10,936,299 0.50 Alabama 2 4,949,697 0.40 Massachusetts 2.5 6,922,107 0.36 Vermont 0 622,882 0.00 District of Columbia 0 718,355 0.00 South Dakota 0 902,542 0.00 Delaware 0 998,619 0.00 Rhode Island 0 1,062,583 0.00 Maine 0 1,359,677 0.00 New Hampshire 0 1,378,449 0.00 Hawaii 0 1,401,709 0.00 New Mexico 0 2,109,093 0.00 Mississippi 0 2,961,536 0.00 Arkansas 0 3,042,017 0.00 Puerto Rico 0 3,194,714 0.00 Nevada 0 3,238,601 0.00 Oregon 0 4,325,290 0.00 Kentucky 0 4,487,233 0.00 Louisiana 0 4,616,106 0.00 Tennessee 0 7,001,803 0.00 Texas 0 30,097,526 0.00
  7. Yes, he confirmed as much in his championship post match interview..... https://youtu.be/s6090IrjN_0?t=433
  8. For the Iowans..... State Qualifiers Population Qualifiers / 1M Pop Iowa 13 3,174,426 4.10 North Dakota 3 774,008 3.88 New Jersey 33 8,870,685 3.72 Pennsylvania 42 12,805,190 3.28 Alaska 2 720,763 2.77 Montana 3 1,093,117 2.74 Illinois 33 12,518,071 2.64 Minnesota 14 5,739,781 2.44 Kansas 7 2,919,179 2.40 Oklahoma 9 4,007,179 2.25 Ohio 22 11,727,377 1.88 Colorado 11 5,961,083 1.85 Wyoming 1 582,233 1.72 West Virginia 3 1,755,715 1.71 Michigan 17 9,995,212 1.70 Indiana 11 6,842,385 1.61 Missouri 8 6,184,843 1.29 Wisconsin 7 5,867,518 1.19 Nebraska 2 1,960,790 1.02 Virginia 8 8,638,218 0.93 New York 16 19,223,191 0.83 New Hampshire 1 1,378,449 0.73 Hawaii 1 1,401,709 0.71 Maryland 4 6,075,314 0.66 Georgia 7 10,936,299 0.64 Utah 2 3,363,182 0.59 Connecticut 2 3,546,588 0.56 Idaho 1 1,896,652 0.53 North Carolina 5 10,807,491 0.46 Massachusetts 3 6,922,107 0.43 California 17 39,664,128 0.43 Florida 9 22,177,997 0.41 Arizona 3 7,640,796 0.39 Washington 3 7,887,965 0.38 Tennessee 2 7,001,803 0.29 Oregon 1 4,325,290 0.23 Kentucky 1 4,487,233 0.22 Alabama 1 4,949,697 0.20 South Carolina 1 5,342,388 0.19 Cuba 1 11,315,021 0.09 Vermont 0 622,882 0.00 District of Columbia 0 718,355 0.00 South Dakota 0 902,542 0.00 Delaware 0 998,619 0.00 Rhode Island 0 1,062,583 0.00 Maine 0 1,359,677 0.00 New Mexico 0 2,109,093 0.00 Mississippi 0 2,961,536 0.00 Arkansas 0 3,042,017 0.00 Puerto Rico 0 3,194,714 0.00 Nevada 0 3,238,601 0.00 Louisiana 0 4,616,106 0.00 Texas 0 30,097,526 0.00
  9. That is impressive -- and a fact that I was unaware of. Based on his junior world freestyle championship (prior to the start of his first college season) and the man he beat, it would be very difficult to make anyone else South Dakota's GOAT besides Randy Lewis. But certainly McIlravy is right there as well. As I said in my first post on this topic, it's probably a toss-up between them. Lewis had the national pin streak and freestyle world championship. McIlravy finished his high school career with 5 state championships and undefeated from his freshman year on. Lincoln ended up with slightly better collegiate results (but probably only because Randy got injured his senior year). Their post college international success is probably similar. Lewis did get the Olympic gold that McIlravy failed to; but without the Soviet block countries participating in 1984, it probably doesn't hold quite as much weight as it would otherwise. The bottom line is that I really have a difficult time picking between the two. Can they both share the GOAT title for South Dakota?
  10. I tend to agree in regard to Nash's competition, but can't knock him too much for that. Setting a consecutive pin streak record is a much more rare accomplishment for a lightweight (like Lewis) than it is for a heavyweight (like Hutmacher). However, on the flip side, it's equally rare for a high school freshman to win a state title (and go undefeated) at heavyweight. I give Nash a ton of credit for that. He no doubt faced fewer talented wrestlers during his high school career than the others mentioned, but he nonetheless beat them all, won a national freestyle title at Fargo, and was rated number 1 in the nation at his weight as a senior. It's too bad we won't get to see him at the next level, but I understand why he chose football over wrestling. If we only consider high school accomplishments, he has to be right near the top. However, I think we all know that there are only 2 wrestlers that can really be considered for South Dakota's GOAT: Randy and Lincoln (with probably the Sheer brothers next in line). None of them were undefeated during their high school wrestling career; but McIlravy was undefeated as a high schooler (from ninth grade on), so maybe he gets the slight nod.
  11. The fact that Wallman was a 6-time high school state champion and went undefeated for 6 straight years (from the seventh grade on), probably makes him the GOAT of SD high school wrestling, even though his post high school career didn't nearly measure up to that of many others. If you consider post high school accomplishments, then it's probably a toss up between Lewis and McIlravy for the top spot. Lincoln won 5 state titles and was undefeated from his freshman year on, with 129 consecutive wins. Randy, as mentioned, went undefeated his last 3 years of high school and held the national consecutive pin record at the time. Lewis's consecutive pin streak was a long standing state record that was just broken last year. That record is now owned by Nash Hutmacher with 73 consecutive pins. In fact, if only considering high school accomplishments, I would have to put Hutmacher right up there just behind Wallman -- and perhaps even just ahead of Lincoln and Randy (and then Storley). Hutmacher was a 4-time undefeated state champion with 166 consecutive victories -- and he did it all as a heavyweight (including as a freshman!).
  12. Don't know that we'll ever know the full story behind Marinelli's exit, but I'm thinking it's probably a combination of being both physically and emotionally broken. I doubt one of them alone would have prevented him from opting out. Had he beaten Griffith, I can't see him not giving it a go in the semis, regardless of whatever is ailing him physically. And had he not been dinged up physically (bruised or cracked ribs, abdominal tear, whatever, etc.), I think he has the emotional maturity and fortitude to suck it up and make a go of it in the wrestlebacks -- if not for him, for his team. After all, he's faced significant adversity before, in life and on the mat, and has shown remarkable resiliency. But both together may have been too much this time -- especially when it looks like further points from him won't be needed for an Iowa team championship.
  13. Sounds like maybe he has a broken heart? That can be one of the toughest injuries to deal with, but one that he should be able to eventually overcome as long as it doesn't end up costing his team the title. He's a good guy; and for his sake, I hope it doesn't.
  14. Really cool story and what a neat perspective you have! Sounds like maybe Owings did talk a little smack afterall -- or at least was confident enough to express his lofty expectations to others. The comments he made in his post match interview, however, seemed respectful and tame compared to the brashness that comes out in many of today's post championship match interviews.
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