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    Katie got a reaction from HuskyHero133 in Askren suggests international wrestling is a waste of time   
    I'm not understanding the hostility toward trying the MMA route after college. Here is why:
     
    1) MMA is folkstyle's cousin. In the colonial period and in the first decades of US history, collar-and-elbow wrestling was one of the most popular sports. It was practiced by men of all social classes, including presidents. Catch wrestling then picked up steam in the second half of the 1800s, which basically engulfed collar-and-elbow wrestling. Catch wrestling in turn spawned folkstyle and freestyle. In the 1900s catch wrestling as a distinct wrestling style was also incubated in the UK and later Japan, and experiments with catch wrestling styles against other styles resulted in the framework for MMA. 
     
    2) MMA has created a ton of interest in folkstyle. Go to any MMA message board and they will talk respectfully about folkstyle. They will discuss fighters' wrestling backgrounds. And they will watch old NCAA matches.  
     
    3) MMA has inspired tons of kids to join their school's wrestling teams. Most small towns don't have MMA gyms. But they do have scholastic wrestling teams, and they can participate for free. For kids who enjoy watching MMA, joining their school's wrestling team is the closest thing they can do to emulate their idols. Without this recruitment effect, high school wrestling would have smaller participation numbers, and would perhaps be on a clear decline. 
     
    4) MMA fighters support wrestling all the time. 
     
    5) The UFC joined the effort to save Olympic wrestling. 
     
    6) Most elite folkstylers have no realistic shot at the Olympics. With only six weight classes, maybe only 24 guys or so have a realistic shot at making the Olympic team -- and that is over the course of four years (!). But every year the NCAA pumps out far more elite folkstylers than that. What's wrong with those guys trying MMA if they feel like extending their athletic careers?
     
    7) Brain injuries are a real concern. But there is no evidence that ten years of MMA is worse than ten years of football. (My guess is that MMA is safer than boxing.) With more developed training methods, and with good training partners, concussions should normally only be a risk during actual fights. And if a person is unfortunate enough to experience a concussion they are uncomfortable with, retirement is ALWAYS an option. That's what Steve Young did (after his seventh concussion). 
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    Katie got a reaction from LaxHawk174 in Askren suggests international wrestling is a waste of time   
    I'm not understanding the hostility toward trying the MMA route after college. Here is why:
     
    1) MMA is folkstyle's cousin. In the colonial period and in the first decades of US history, collar-and-elbow wrestling was one of the most popular sports. It was practiced by men of all social classes, including presidents. Catch wrestling then picked up steam in the second half of the 1800s, which basically engulfed collar-and-elbow wrestling. Catch wrestling in turn spawned folkstyle and freestyle. In the 1900s catch wrestling as a distinct wrestling style was also incubated in the UK and later Japan, and experiments with catch wrestling styles against other styles resulted in the framework for MMA. 
     
    2) MMA has created a ton of interest in folkstyle. Go to any MMA message board and they will talk respectfully about folkstyle. They will discuss fighters' wrestling backgrounds. And they will watch old NCAA matches.  
     
    3) MMA has inspired tons of kids to join their school's wrestling teams. Most small towns don't have MMA gyms. But they do have scholastic wrestling teams, and they can participate for free. For kids who enjoy watching MMA, joining their school's wrestling team is the closest thing they can do to emulate their idols. Without this recruitment effect, high school wrestling would have smaller participation numbers, and would perhaps be on a clear decline. 
     
    4) MMA fighters support wrestling all the time. 
     
    5) The UFC joined the effort to save Olympic wrestling. 
     
    6) Most elite folkstylers have no realistic shot at the Olympics. With only six weight classes, maybe only 24 guys or so have a realistic shot at making the Olympic team -- and that is over the course of four years (!). But every year the NCAA pumps out far more elite folkstylers than that. What's wrong with those guys trying MMA if they feel like extending their athletic careers?
     
    7) Brain injuries are a real concern. But there is no evidence that ten years of MMA is worse than ten years of football. (My guess is that MMA is safer than boxing.) With more developed training methods, and with good training partners, concussions should normally only be a risk during actual fights. And if a person is unfortunate enough to experience a concussion they are uncomfortable with, retirement is ALWAYS an option. That's what Steve Young did (after his seventh concussion). 
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    Katie got a reaction from Cletus_Tucker in Marable-Green Best of Three Thread   
    Marable is actually one of our best guys. As of June, only JB, Metcalf, and Dlagnev were ranked higher.
     
    Green's win shows he's a really tough freestyler. Congrats to him.
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    Katie got a reaction from HuskyHero133 in John Smith - A Success Or A Failure As A Coach in 2015?   
    Here are some interesting Smith quotes from 1992:
     
    http://articles.latimes.com/1992-07-19/sports/sp-4788_1_john-smith
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    Katie got a reaction from gutfirst in John Smith - A Success Or A Failure As A Coach in 2015?   
    Here are some interesting Smith quotes from 1992:
     
    http://articles.latimes.com/1992-07-19/sports/sp-4788_1_john-smith
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    Katie got a reaction from 2td3nf in Pan Am's on ESPN3   
    Stand ups are necessary, and 30-seconds seems as good an amount of time as any. The "clamming up" problem could be addressed by stalling calls (as Jaroslav said) or by giving the guy who forced the most standups a point at the end of the match.
     
    Right now, folkstyle is not fun to watch. Guys crawling out of bounds. Guys hanging on for dear life from the top in the hope of getting that riding time point. It's ugly.  
     
    A few simple, common sense reforms could make folkstyle fun to watch again. Sadly, I don't think the NCAA has what it takes to make the necessary changes.  
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    Katie got a reaction from silver-medal in The Champ   
    The Champ is looking like a BEAST.
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    Katie got a reaction from denger in Pan Am's on ESPN3   
    Can we talk about Espinal's hair? It's long. What did it look like when he wrestled Herbert? Was there hair flying everywhere?
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    Katie got a reaction from Jim L in Kyle Snyder - offense   
    At 19, Snyder can still potentially improve a ton. To put into perspective how young he still he is, when Metcalf and Taylor were his age, they hadn't yet competed for their college teams. 
     
    Also, freestyle rules may play a part in how offensive Snyder is. In freestyle takedown attempts are a better investment of your energy because your opponent can't run away and crawl out of bounds. 
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    Katie reacted to belushijo in Dake discussion   
    While Dake clearly had a better overall college career, it's not clear to me that as a senior he was better than JB as a senior. 
     
    JBs developmental trajectory is almost unprecedented.
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    Katie got a reaction from gromit in NLWC and funding   
    Espinal and Humphrey should have a dance off. 
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    Katie got a reaction from GoNotQuietly in NLWC and funding   
    Espinal and Humphrey should have a dance off. 
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    Katie got a reaction from gutfirst in NLWC and funding   
    Espinal and Humphrey should have a dance off. 
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    Katie got a reaction from sbdude in Weird tweet from Burroughs   
    It was correctly called. After Burroughs initiated the move Dake tried to counter with a throw. But in attempting to counter Burroughs, Dake did not change Burroughs's direction. Further, as the sequence unfolded, Dake's back was exposed while Burroughs's never was. So in the end it was a counter that didn't quite work and that exposed Dake's back. The points properly went to Burroughs. 
     
    The problem Dake has is he hasn't been able to take Burroughs down on his own offense. He has only been able to take Burroughs down with counters. As long as Burroughs can initiate takedowns against Dake while Dake cannot return the favor, the deck will be stacked against him. 
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    Katie got a reaction from swoopdown in Weird tweet from Burroughs   
    You're right. I rewatched the second match from last weekend and Dake did initiate and score on a shot. But I think that's the only shot he's initiated and scored on in four matches.  I guess after going down by eight points he did not think he could afford to sit back and counter like he did in their previous two matches.
     
    Here's the problem. When JB steps on the mat he will take you down. The only question is whether you can score more than him. In the two matches Dake aggressively went after Burroughs (their first match in 2013 and their second match in 2015) Dake got teched. And in the two matches Dake wrestled defensively and looked for counters (their second match in 2013 and their first match in 2015) he still lost. 
     
    So my point stands. If Dake cannot get more of his own offense going, he's going to have a really difficult time beating Burroughs -- especially if we're talking the best of three.
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    Katie got a reaction from heelpick in Weird tweet from Burroughs   
    You're right. I rewatched the second match from last weekend and Dake did initiate and score on a shot. But I think that's the only shot he's initiated and scored on in four matches.  I guess after going down by eight points he did not think he could afford to sit back and counter like he did in their previous two matches.
     
    Here's the problem. When JB steps on the mat he will take you down. The only question is whether you can score more than him. In the two matches Dake aggressively went after Burroughs (their first match in 2013 and their second match in 2015) Dake got teched. And in the two matches Dake wrestled defensively and looked for counters (their second match in 2013 and their first match in 2015) he still lost. 
     
    So my point stands. If Dake cannot get more of his own offense going, he's going to have a really difficult time beating Burroughs -- especially if we're talking the best of three.
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    Katie got a reaction from CaliWrestler in Weird tweet from Burroughs   
    Personally I think Burroughs gets disrespected too much. He's already a top-5 US freestyler all time -- and he's still solidly in his prime -- but people have been acting like Dake and Taylor could do what he does. There is still no evidence they can. It would annoy me, too. 
     
    I also think he is extremely disciplined with his public persona. Compare his twitter feed to Askren's, for example. 
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    Katie reacted to manyak in Can 74 kg get more epic?   
    I'm not even really a Burroughs fan. I don't find his style that appealing and I personally admire Dave Schultz far more. He was more 'technical' in many ways and seems like just such a great guy with a great but tragic story. I have to admit I like the way Geduev or Tsargush wrestles better than the way Burroughs wrestles, but I think Burroughs beats either one in Vegas. I admire the legends of the past. Bruce B and Tom Erikson were monsters. Chris Cambpell is inspirational. Jordanov winning Olympic Gold at 36 in the lightest weight category is ridiculous. It's easy to admire the heavyweight champions of the past when there was no weight limit and you'd get a huge weight difference. I like to listen to stories about Takhti and even Great Gama.
     
    To say that wrestlers back then were tougher and 'real men' compared to today is just ridiculous to me though. To suggest they had 10x more grit or strength or toughness is fantasy. To say 1995 Dave Schultz beats 2015 Jordan Burroughs is absolutely idiotic to me. You don't have a strong connection with reality or are extremely biased towards past legends if you think that is true. I don't see how you can have eyes and watch the sport and come to that conclusion. I wish 1995 Dave Schultz beats 2015 Jordan Burroughs. If this match could happen I would root for Schultz. That's just not reality though.
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    Katie got a reaction from 2td3nf in Can 74 kg get more epic?   
    Let's not forget that from 2002-13 there were only 7 weight classes, compared with 10 from 1969-96.
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    Katie got a reaction from Billyhoyle in Can 74 kg get more epic?   
    BigApple,

    You don't have to speculate about whether JB can win under the new rules because he already did. He did it in 2013. If you didn't catch it in the link I sent you, they changed the rules before 2013 worlds.

    I know you think that awesome wrestling involves getting taken down and reversing your opponent. But the rest of the world thinks neutral dominance is more relevant.

    JB has won golds under two different rule sets. He won golds in an era with only 7 weight classes. He won in an era where the ex-Soviet countries each send their own representatives. He won with a broken ankle. He beat Tsargush, a guy who had better credentials than Dave Schultz. He's teched 4x NCAA champ Dake twice. He eats anybody up who tries to go toe-to-toe with him.

    Just face it. JB had already surpassed Dave Schultz and he's poised to surpass Kemp and Baumgartner. JB is The Champ.
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    Katie reacted to manyak in Can 74 kg get more epic?   
    Tsargush or Burroughs would tech Dave Schultz out the building. It's not fair to compare wrestlers from the 80s to those of today. Wrestling has evolved a lot and the sport is much harder.
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    Katie got a reaction from Alexander_Delarge_655321 in Dake was great   
    LOL at the excuses. I can't wait to see how many more excuses Dake fans come up with in the next year. 
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    Katie got a reaction from WildTurkey44 in 74KG Rankings in the World   
    JH is absolutely right here.
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    Katie reacted to rossel3 in I enjoyed the Taylor-and-Dake-are-as-good-as-Burroughs era   
    I can imagine the crowds that would pull in
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