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    Katie reacted to Angry_Fish in Bubba Jenkins apparently discusses the Pico situation   
    I listened...There were two people interviewing him.  Focus was MMA, but wrestling was touched on. 
     
    Below are some of the things he mentioned related to wrestling...
     
    -- Explained what a redshirt was.
    -- Explained history of unicorn slayer nickname.
    -- Talked about all the women he banged when he transferred to ASU
     
    Then he talked about Cael controversy.  Here is what he basically said....
     
    1. While at Iowa St, Cael never recruited him out of HS despite being the #1 recruit in the country.
    2. When Cael came to PSU he was already an AA (after losing to Metcalf in the finals), but coaches shunned him due to his flamboyant style.
    3. Coaches would not even tell him times of practice, etc, he had to find out from teammates.
    4. Coaches stripped him of his captaincy without explanation.
    5. Controversy related to something over Thanksgiving break about wrestling in a voluntary holiday tourney (East Stroudsburg Open?). Coaches thought he was going to compete.  Communication gap of some sort.
     
    Pretty much everything above he stated as being irrefutable facts that neither the coaches nor he would dispute (although I doubt that), but then he hit on what seemed to be the biggest issue (of which he conceded the facts are in dispute).
     
    There was an issue with the scale used at the beginning of the season for weight certification.  Bubba claims that others, unbeknownst to him, jury rigged the scale with tape before the weigh-ins started.  The officials discovered the issue when Bubba was being weighed and they and coaches believed it was Bubba who was behind it all.  That seems to be the biggest issue in the saga (according to Bubba) -- and when that happened Cael was pretty much done with Bubba
     
    Then he got into the whole situation with Cael not releasing him. Would have had to sit out a year if he stayed in the B1G, etc..
     
    He also stated that he wanted to go to Cornell more the ASU and have Dake as his sparring partner.  I missed why he ended up at ASU instead of Cornell.
     
    He did acknowledge that Cael tried to seek him out to congratulate him after pining Taylor, but Bubba had no time for him.
     
    Then he moved back to MMA discussion, which seems to be his real focus (as one would expect).  He said going from NCAA wrestling to MMA is like going from HS to College.  He never even thinks about his wrestling days any more.  He has moved on.
     
    Most interesting part of the interview were his tales of tails at ASU.
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    Katie reacted to treep2000 in USA Freestyle @ 74kg - 2015-2016 Timeframe   
    Thanks everyone.  What this thread was initially about was the perceived depth at 74kg over the next two years, especially when you DO throw in the possibility of Hall and Pico, let alone IMART and so on.  
     
    My question still remains.  Have we as USA Wrestling ever seen real or perceived depth of this magnitude at a single weight?  Please note my caveat of 'perceived' depth.  Yes... many on this list haven't had international success/experience/results, however, the 10-11 folks on my initial post are all considered "beasts" in their own right, etc. etc. etc.
     
    So... back on topic... thoughts on the depth?
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    Katie got a reaction from Cletus_Tucker in USA Freestyle @ 74kg - 2015-2016 Timeframe   
    How is Dake a notch above DT and Howe? What exactly has he accomplished in freestyle? Here's what I can recall off the top: 
     
    1) 2013 WTTs. Runner up. He got by Howe in OT, and then loses to Burroughs in two straight matches. The first was a tech in under two minutes. In the second match Dake wrestled defensively and kept the score close, didn't score any points on his own offense. 
     
    2) 2013 Golden Grand Prix. Fifth place. He beat Tsargush and lost to Aliyev and Gadzhiev and never faced the winner of the tournament, Kurbanov. Tsargush took Dake down pretty easily and then inexplicably gave up. I get that Dake's hand was hurt, so it's tough to tell where he was really at. But based on results this showing does not vault Dake into Burroughs's league. 
     
    3) 2014 Cero Pellado. First place. None of the world's best were here. 
     
    4) 2015 Northeast Regionals. First place. Beat high school junior Mason Manville. 
     
    As far as I can tell, Dake was really even with Howe back in 2013, and then hasn't done much since. (Howe's 2015 Yarygin performance was more impressive than what Dake did at the 2013 Golden Grand Prix.) He also does not appear in the UWW freestyle rankings. To suspect Dake will do really well in the future is one thing. But to place him among the world's best at this point is premature. 
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    Katie got a reaction from HuskyHero133 in brave NJ state champ Donovan   
    http://www.outsports.com/2015/5/11/8582377/gay-wrestler-alec-donovan-new-jersey?_ga=1.251368448.705375394.1431287579
     
     
    It was on a recruiting trip to Limestone College in South Carolina that Alec Donovan finally answered "the question." Donovan had just won the New Jersey high school state championship in the 145-pound division of the NJSIAA/Rothman Institute Wrestling Championships. Along with him on the recruiting trip was another New Jersey wrestler who had placed in the state tournament.
    "Rumor is you're bisexual," the other recruit said to him. "Is it true?"
     
    It had been a long journey for Donovan, once fraught with fear, depression and suicidal thoughts since realizing he was gay as a high school freshman. Now a senior approaching graduation, he had climbed out of the abyss all the way to a state title and a peace of mind. There were a select few close to him who knew his secret, but he had never shared it with other top wrestlers.
    "The rumor isn't true," Donovan told the other recruit. "I'm not bisexual... I'm gay."
     
    [The rest of the article can be found in the link above.]
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    Katie reacted to Eagle26 in My issues with Freestyle   
    I think that the freestyle rules are the best rules we have seen. Sure there are a few things we could nit pick on, but I just hope UWW doesn't try to keep changing too much and mess them up again! 
     
    The combination of the push out and passivity is WAY better than the stalling in folkstyle. Sure Nolf's passivity call was probably a bad one and I am sure there were a few others, but if this were a folkstyle tournament think about the number of complaints we would have about refs calling (or not calling) stalling wrong. Freestyle is much better in that regard. 
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    Katie got a reaction from snwbrdwint in So many high quality finals   
    If you think Tsargush was wrestling at his best when Dake beat him, that's up to you. Here's the video. http://www.dartfish.tv/Player.aspx?CR=p85865c79339m1726880>. Fast forward to the ten minute mark, it looks to me like Tsargush gave up on the match. Dake also lost to Aliyev at that same tournament (along with the Russian backup). Of course, Dake's hand was hurt. So how Dake stacks up internationally is not yet clear. It's too bad he's had so many injuries since then. 
     
    But my point is this. Based on proven results, JB, Dlagnev, and Varner are the only guys who we can expect to go deep into the world tournament. After them, we don't have anyone who's both proven at the world level and currently wrestling relatively well. We're not a powerhouse wrestling country. 
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    Katie got a reaction from wrestlingphish in Inside The Mind of Alex Cisneros   
    ^^^
     
    Way too long.
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    Katie got a reaction from BraunMann in Inside The Mind of Alex Cisneros   
    Quitting can be a great thing. Not everyone finds the career path or job they are best suited for right off the bat. It often takes trial and error to really come into your own. Every second you're doing something you suck at and hate is a second you could be doing something you'd be amazing at.
     
    So sticking to what you tried first is not always a good idea. 
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    Katie got a reaction from GoNotQuietly in NCAA Proposes New Rules (link)   
    Wrestling will never be mainstream. But as long as wrestlers keep doing well in MMA, wrestling will be okay. 
     
    The best things wrestling can do are:
     
    1) Include women. Start having women compete at the same tournaments as men. The world championships and Olympics already do this. MMA puts on events with both male and female competitors. There is no reason the All-Star meet or the Midlands couldn't have women, either. 
     
    2) Action and scoring. Change the rules to make wrestling more appealing to watch. The push out rule should be reform number one, IMO.
     
    3) Shorter season. Start the season in January, end it in March or early April. This would reduce the amount of lingering injuries guys deal with. And with fewer overall matches for NCAA seeding purposes, it makes each match count more. It would also give guys more time to train freestyle, Greco, or MMA in the offseason.
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    Katie got a reaction from Cletus_Tucker in Cejudo gets his degree   
    Sure, I can see how using the same word (average) in two different contexts could be confusing. 
     
    When I mentioned averages in my first paragraph, I was referring to the average earnings data for all liberal arts grads. That includes near geniuses, kids from wealthy families, kids with connections, kids with exceptional outside achievements (like a gold medal or proven entrepreneurial ability), and so on. 
     
    When I mentioned the average person in my second paragraph, I excluded exceptional and connected kids. In this context average meant something like unexceptional and unconnected.
     
    I thought the context in which I placed the word average was clear enough, but I was wrong. Hopefully what I wrote makes sense now.  
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    Katie reacted to Cooch1 in NCAA Proposes New Rules (link)   
    I think there's some ego problems in the NCAA trying to tiptoe around it that don't want to admit the international rules body got it right first. Don't expect any changes until fans get totally fed up with oob walkers.
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    Katie got a reaction from GranbyTroll in Mark Hall has 4 official visits set per his dad....   
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    Katie got a reaction from xander in Mark Hall has 4 official visits set per his dad....   
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    Katie got a reaction from jtothep in Mark Hall has 4 official visits set per his dad....   
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    Katie got a reaction from BigTimeFan in Possible To Reign In Wrestling and MMA Concurrently?   
    Askren is a folkstyle genius, but he was never going to be a great freestyler. Very few Americans become top freestylers, and the Americans who do have unstoppable leg attacks. The reason for that is with freestyle exposure rules, what works best is pinpoint, perfectly timed leg attacks. But the idea is to have efficient and powerful movement that leaves no escape for the defending wrestler. (Americans have not been able to rely on throws and scrambling, and I don't see that changing. We simply aren't as steeped in the body movements that work in freestyle like other countries are - and that's because our guys' main focus is folkstyle until age 22-24.)
     
    Askren doesn't have a powerful arsenal of leg attacks. He's a defensive wrestler. What he does is initiate body contact, get you into his funhouse of funk, and then after some chaotic exchanges you find your back is on the mat. That is not a recipe for success in freestyle. Askren does not have leg attacks that are anywhere near those of American gold medalists. That's just reality. 
     
    Askren is one of the best folkstylers ever, but at the world level he was a pedestrian freestyler, and that's all he was ever going to be.  
     
    BTW, Fundora lost to Terziev at the 2008 Games as well, and that was the only medal Terziev ever won. So it's not like Askren merely lost bad to some sort of 9x world champ equivalent. He lost bad to a fifth place finisher. Also, if I remember correctly, at the 2008 world cup a 20 year old Tsargush put a serious beating on Askren as well. 
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    Katie got a reaction from Cletus_Tucker in Pico is not making the 2016 Olympic team   
    When Brent Metcalf was 18, he became one of Michigan's 145 pound state champions, and that's a great accomplishment. Metcalf was a very good and tough high school wrestler. Lots of great things were also in his future. He started for Iowa less than three years later, and won his first match at worlds nine years later. These are impressive accomplishments few of us get to achieve. 
     
    Meanwhile, at 18 Pico is a cadet world champ, junior world silver medalist, a golden gloves winner, signed with Bellator, signed with Nike, and has a bunch of senior-level wins under his belt, including a win over a former senior world champion. So even if you compare Pico to the tough yardstick of Metcalf (who is one of our best wrestlers) you can see that he's done phenomenally well for an 18 year old. So it's perfectly logical for Pico to believe in himself. 
     
    IMO Pico is a very classy and well-spoken young man. He reminds me of GSP in that way.
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    Katie got a reaction from Yellow_Medal in Pico is not making the 2016 Olympic team   
    People.
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    Katie got a reaction from leshismore in Pico is not making the 2016 Olympic team   
    When Brent Metcalf was 18, he became one of Michigan's 145 pound state champions, and that's a great accomplishment. Metcalf was a very good and tough high school wrestler. Lots of great things were also in his future. He started for Iowa less than three years later, and won his first match at worlds nine years later. These are impressive accomplishments few of us get to achieve. 
     
    Meanwhile, at 18 Pico is a cadet world champ, junior world silver medalist, a golden gloves winner, signed with Bellator, signed with Nike, and has a bunch of senior-level wins under his belt, including a win over a former senior world champion. So even if you compare Pico to the tough yardstick of Metcalf (who is one of our best wrestlers) you can see that he's done phenomenally well for an 18 year old. So it's perfectly logical for Pico to believe in himself. 
     
    IMO Pico is a very classy and well-spoken young man. He reminds me of GSP in that way.
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    Katie got a reaction from rlw028 in US Open -- Why even enter at 75KG and 125KG   
    Nobody will be competing at 75kg. And I do mean nobody. 
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    Katie reacted to wiedsworld in US Open -- Why even enter at 75KG and 125KG   
    Even if someone were fortunate to knock Burroughs off at the WTT, the US would be foolish to send anyone other than JB to the Championship. He has proven he has the game to win it all or even medal when injured...no one else can make that claim at 74K. 
     
    For all those that think we have 3 or 4 of the top guys in the world stacked up at this weight, you need to think again. The way Taylor got handled at Dogu just goes to show you we have one top guy at this weight, not multiple.  Until Dake can come back and win some top international events he should not be in the discussion either.
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    Katie got a reaction from Flying-Tiger in World Cup Thread   
    How is it a bad draw when you lose to a guy, who loses to another guy, who loses to another guy, who loses to another guy? Are you waiting for Metcalf to draw the gold medal match?
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    Katie got a reaction from Yellow_Medal in time to start training with the Cubans   
    Iron sharpens iron. And there is plenty we can learn from them.
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    Katie got a reaction from Yellow_Medal in time to start training with the Cubans   
    The USA and Cuba have restored diplomatic relations. The USA has eased travel restrictions on Cuba. Literally any of us can now travel there. The USA is about to take Cuba off its terror list, which will ease some economic sanctions. Raul Castro and Obama recently met, and they both agreed that Cuba's isolation is a relic of the cold war, and the best path forward is greater cooperation. Everybody expects to see Hiltons and Senor Turtles popping up in Havana in the next 5 to 10 years. 
     
    Now, after watching the Russians dominate everything, it might be time to start training more closely with the Cubans. There's a lot we can learn from them, and training with elite wrestlers who are steeped in freestyle would only make our guys better. Geographically, Cuba is super close the USA. I can't imagine it would take much to bring their guys over here and vice versa. There's also some precedent for training with representatives from other countries. Franklin Gomez and Jaime Espinal train at the NLWC, but represent Puerto Rico.
     
    How great would it be to have Cortina at PSU? Or Salas at ASU? Or Bonne at OSU?
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    Katie got a reaction from Angry_Fish in Pico is not making the 2016 Olympic team   
    It's interesting to me that at worlds their ages will be as follows:
     
    Metcalf- 29
    Oliver- 25
    Stieber- 24
    Pico- 18
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    Katie got a reaction from stp in Who had a better career Dake or Stieber?   
    I wish I was the worst four-time NCAA champion ever.
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