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    Katie got a reaction from scribe in If Jimmy C ...   
    What’s worse, being a grown man who devotes his leisure time to creating copious amounts of troll threads about college kids?
    Or being a grown man who knowingly contributes to said threads?
    It’s a twisted modern-day story of alienation, self-hatred, and sadness — all filed under the heading “Jimmy C”
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    Katie got a reaction from Housebuye in Brazilian wrestler Filipe Esteves   
    Esteves is a member of the Brazilian national wrestling team. However, according to reports, he isn't going to worlds next month because he couldn't afford to go (the Brazilian federation apparently isn't funded well). But he's still hoping to qualify for the Olympics.
    Esteves is also an MMA fighter, and he won an MMA bout last weekend. Apparently, he donated his entire purse to his opponent because his opponent had traveled 35 hours by bus, had to pay $221 for the trip, and was set to make only $120.
    Here's to hoping Esteves realizes his Olympic dream.
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    Katie got a reaction from whaletail in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    Relax. Breathe a little.
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    Katie got a reaction from whaletail in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    If this message board was called “Ancient Persian Internet Forum,” that would not make it, in fact, an internet forum from ancient Persia.
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    Katie reacted to AnklePicker in Brazilian wrestler Filipe Esteves   
    From the following article it sounds like it’s too late for this years worlds but Filipe and his teammate have set up a crowdsourcing site for future tournaments in an effort to qualify for the Olympics. 
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mmafighting.com/platform/amp/2019/8/21/20813726/filipe-esteves-wins-title-brazil-donates-purse-opponent-mma
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    Katie reacted to Jaroslav Hasek in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    why would you use per capita? we're talking absolute numbers in the world. I also said "without looking up the numbers". so if anyone wants to provide them and contest my theory regarding the popularity of both styles, please do! 
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    Katie reacted to Jaroslav Hasek in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    fun thought experiment time!
    lets say you are a juice company, and you want to figure out what flavor of juice that you sell is more popular, apple juice or orange juice. you sell in a market of 12 different countries. in two countries, you sell both products, but apple juice is much more popular. in five countries, you sell both products, but orange juice is more popular. and in five other countries, you only sell orange juice. they people in those last five countries buy no apple juice whatsoever. 
    looks like orange juice is more popular! it's more popular in 10 of the 12 countries you operate in! 
    except there's no way to know which is more popular until know more about those countries. lets say the two countries where apple juice is far more popular are the USA and Canada, the five countries where orange juice is only slightly more popular are small central american countries, and the five countries where only orange juice is sold are very small caribbean island nations.
    then you when you look at all your customers, you have far more that buy apple juice and not orange juice. you also bring in far more revenue with apple juice than orange juice. 
    wow, fun thought experiment imo. 
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    Katie reacted to Jaroslav Hasek in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    why not? it's true and has nothing to with per capita calculations. 
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    Katie reacted to Jaroslav Hasek in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    I'm not disputing his claims. i asked what numbers so I could also look up the numbers.
    man, this topic has really got you wound up. relax my good dude, no one is trying to start a fight. 
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    Katie reacted to Jaroslav Hasek in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    I'm not trying to downplay those countries. i would just be shocked if there weren't more freestyle fans participants in the USA than there were greco fans and participants in sweden, norway, denmark, finland, lithuania, latvia, estonia, serbia and croatia combined. would love to find out there are large greco followings and full gyms of competitors in those countries though. 
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    Katie reacted to rod_frufit in Brazilian wrestler Filipe Esteves   
    If anyone knows Esteves, contact him and let's set up a GoFund or something similar. I think that would be a good thing!
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    Katie reacted to nhs67 in Brazilian wrestler Filipe Esteves   
    I'd like to keep this towards the top of the thread.
    It interests me. He is obviously worthy of effort here folks.
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    Katie got a reaction from herma48852 in Dake   
    I pick JB. But whoever ends up winning the spot will deserve it.
    JB, Dake, iMart, Nolf, Lewis. Wow.
     
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    Katie got a reaction from CaliWrestler in Dake   
    I pick JB. But whoever ends up winning the spot will deserve it.
    JB, Dake, iMart, Nolf, Lewis. Wow.
     
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    Katie got a reaction from herma48852 in Dake   
    As far as I can tell, here are the senior-level freestyle tournaments he's won since moving on from NCAA wrestling in 2013:
    2014 Granma Cup 2017 Grand Prix of Paris 2018 Yasar Dogu 2018 Worlds 2019 Grand Prix of Spain This is a much better freestyle resume than 99.999% of people could hope for.
    But, it just happens to not be better than JB's freestyle resume. No shame there.
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    Katie got a reaction from MDogg in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    If the question is, are there more freestyle or Greco wrestlers at UWW events, it has to be freestyle by a healthy margin (when you count female and male freestyle wrestlers).
    If the question is, which style generates more money in the free market, it seems to be freestyle. As far as I’m aware, there are three professional freestyle leagues (Germany, India, Iran) and zero professional Greco leagues. 
    If the question is, who has the higher viewership numbers, we can’t answer that, as far I know. I am not aware of there being reliable on stats on live and broadcast viewership.
    I think that pretty much wraps up the discussion.
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    Katie got a reaction from MDogg in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    Great. Going by participation, men’s and women’s freestyle have far more participants than Greco does. Case closed. 
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    Katie reacted to Jaroslav Hasek in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    so, to recap, participant numbers in age level world championships where the one wrestler per nation per weight is in effect tells us virtually nothing about the relative popularities of the styles. the USA sends the same number of participants to the world championships in all 3 styles, and yet we all know the popularity of each style in the USA is not equal. 
    what we want is total participation numbers, and other broad measurements, like audience size and money invested in the styles. the number of participants in tournaments with all styles but with no limit on entries per nation will get us closer to that info, and though it would be far from perfect, is interesting enough on it's own to be worth looking into.
    and in my humble and potentially incorrect opinion, that world wide there is a much larger audience for freestyle than greco, and there are far more practitioners of freestyle than greco.the fact that a few dozen small nordic and eastern european countries each sends a handful of greco roman wrestlers to world championships but zero freestylers does not change that opinion. 
    thanks for the convo and enjoy the weekend my friends!
    edit: sorry if Jon or LBJ think I was being a dick to them, it just seemed like they were getting mad and I was hoping to calm them down. sorry if i failed at that!
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    Katie got a reaction from grappler111 in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    Are there any professional Greco leagues anywhere in the world?
    My understanding is that there are professional freestyle leagues in Germany, India, and Iran.
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    Katie got a reaction from CoachWrestling in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    Great. Going by participation, men’s and women’s freestyle have far more participants than Greco does. Case closed. 
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    Katie reacted to Jaroslav Hasek in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    lol it wasn't a yes or no question. 
    but, if I understand your question, the reason freestyle is more popular despite greco having more participants at the world championships than freestyle because it's one participant per country. the nordic and baltic countries have wrestlers in greco (though not full lineups, for the most part) in greco but none in freestyle. meanwhile there are more total freestyle participants in the USA than there are total greco participants in all of western europe, even though there is only one American freestyle participant at worlds, whereas western euorpe might have 20 greco wrestlers in any given weight class. 
    figured that was obvious so apologies if this was common knowledge for everyone and I just misunderstood the question. 
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    Katie reacted to Jaroslav Hasek in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    without looking up any numbers, I'd guess there are more total freestyle wrestling fans in India than there are greco-roman fans in the world combined, and more money being spent on freestyle wrestling in the USA than there is money spent on greco-roman wrestling in the world combined. it's probably orders magnitude larger in both cases. 
    absolutely nothing against greco. it's got plenty to recommend and the passion greco wrestlers and their fans show is enviable. i would be very happy to see it grow in popularity and be as big or bigger than freestyle, I just don't see that being the case now. 
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    Katie reacted to Jaroslav Hasek in All these People Who Say Greco is Popular   
    Yes, I think you understanding the point now. Illinois and Arkansas would have the same number of Greco-Roman wrestlers at Fargo if it worked under a one state, one participant per weight system the way world championships operates under a one country one participant per weight. yet the total greco participants between illinois and arkansas are no where close to 1 to 1. 
    looks like we are making progress on the concept of proportionality. this is good!
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    Katie got a reaction from GoNotQuietly in We need 10 Olympic weights   
    It’s actually two styles, freestyle and Greco.
    The freestyle gender balance is a pristine 50-50. 
    Meanwhile, Greco has not developed a women’s side at all.
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    Katie reacted to LJB in Junior Greco has a pulse...4th place after Day 1   
    previous to being given the opportunity to vote, there was no law against women writing names on pieces of paper in basements all by their lonesomes...
    face it, women have no opportunity to compete in greco, so, using thair participation in freestyle as some numbers game justification is silly...
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