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    Cradle1 got a reaction from Mphillips in Dake-Dieringer live thread   
    Nailed it.  In Particular, I felt like he stalled his way through worlds last year.  You know, when he outscored his opponents 37-0.
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from Mphillips in Dake-Dieringer live thread   
    Nailed it.  In Particular, I felt like he stalled his way through worlds last year.  You know, when he outscored his opponents 37-0.
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from Mphillips in Dake-Dieringer live thread   
    Nailed it.  In Particular, I felt like he stalled his way through worlds last year.  You know, when he outscored his opponents 37-0.
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from Mphillips in Dake-Dieringer live thread   
    Nailed it.  In Particular, I felt like he stalled his way through worlds last year.  You know, when he outscored his opponents 37-0.
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from Mphillips in Dake-Dieringer live thread   
    Nailed it.  In Particular, I felt like he stalled his way through worlds last year.  You know, when he outscored his opponents 37-0.
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from Mphillips in Dake-Dieringer live thread   
    Nailed it.  In Particular, I felt like he stalled his way through worlds last year.  You know, when he outscored his opponents 37-0.
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from Mphillips in Dake-Dieringer live thread   
    Nailed it.  In Particular, I felt like he stalled his way through worlds last year.  You know, when he outscored his opponents 37-0.
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from Mphillips in Dake-Dieringer live thread   
    Nailed it.  In Particular, I felt like he stalled his way through worlds last year.  You know, when he outscored his opponents 37-0.
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    Cradle1 reacted to Lurker in Yianni won the arbitration. Next steps?   
    That’s a hell of a lot easier said than done. We’re talking about two world class athletes, both with age group world championships just breaking into senior level, who know each other very well. You act like they stood and danced for six minutes. Just stop. 
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    Cradle1 reacted to wrestlingnerd in Yianni won the arbitration. Next steps?   
    Just announced via Instagram. Match 2 will be rewrestled. Time and location TBD.
     
    For all the guys saying Koll was the devil incarnate and the Cornell crew chasing a pipe dream, what say you now? On second thought, let's not hear it. Let's keep this thread fact-based.
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from wrestlingphish in Pan Am Games Draws   
    Homeless it is I guess.
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    Cradle1 reacted to Blue Dragons in Pan Am Games Draws   
    They can't beat Downey.
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    Cradle1 reacted to spladle08 in Oliver to North Carolina?   
    Lol he will be way too small, he likely wont compete. :) he also has no freestyle results, and I think he'd expect the results he gets if he does compete. And that is why he will tech his way to gold.  
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    Cradle1 reacted to rpm002 in 2019 World Championships - Top Contender, Challengers and Underdog   
    Pretty good list except your spelling of Dieringer's name was really terrible. 
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    Cradle1 reacted to Savage74 in Yianni/Zain Ruling   
    I have enjoyed reading this forum for years but never actually posted. 
    Here is my take, and I am a huge fan of both wrestlers:
    The issue is not that the final score is incorrect or that the procedure that would have occurred the right way did not ultimately end up happening. The issue comes down to timing.
    The officials did not seem to think a conference was required. There was not a lot of time to see that though because the challenge from Penn State came immediately at the final whistle. Perhaps they would have consulted. I did not hear Penn State, or anyone else, say anything about the officials not agreeing, just that they believed it was scored wrong.
    The rules state that the Mat Chairman must side with the referee or judge. Does this mean he can't side with both? I would think the answer is no but it is not actually clear.
    The biggest issue is the timing of the challenge. The rules clearly indicate that the challenge must happen within 5 seconds of the score being posted and cannot be challenged after the final whistle unless the score is posted after the final whistle or the action occurs just before the final whistle. This is the crucial part.
    Once a challenge is requested they must stop the match once the action is neutral. It does not say the challenge is to wait until the action stops, the officials are supposed to stop the action once they are neutral.
    If Penn State wanted to challenge, they should have done so sooner and the action would have been stopped since the wrestlers were in neutral. This would have allowed the score to be corrected and the wrestlers would have known what the score was during the final 30-40 seconds of the match.
    The only reason they did not challenge sooner was because they thought Zain had a chance to score and didn't want to stop the action. This is why it must happen within 5 seconds.
    It is not fair to Yianni to believe he is winning the whole time and then a challenge that occurs against the clearly written rules (later than 5 seconds AND after the final whistle) changes something that happened almost a minute prior and he loses the match that he wrestled from a winning perspective for the last minute.
    I have seen it posted that the 5 second rule is more of a guideline. I can accept that to a certain degree but I don't think it means 45 seconds is OK. Especially the last 45 seconds and after the final whistle.
    In the end, we can argue who should have received the points. that can always be a debate. However, what cannot be argued is that the challenge was granted outside the rules that are clearly written. 
    If I were the arbitrator, I would read the rules and then watch the procedure. I would see that the challenge happened after, not one, but two clearly defined deadlines. Later than 5 seconds and after the final whistle. Right then and there, the ruling should be in Yianni's favor.
    With that said, I don't think it will go in Yianni's favor. I do think it will open up the rule book to more interpretation though. If these rules are just guidelines, what else is just a guideline?? We complain about the rules not being easy and too much interpretation but then we claim that some of the rules are guidelines and not really rules. Tough to have it both ways. If 5 seconds is too little time, change the rule don't just make it up as you go.
    If Zain loses the arbitration, he has no one to blame but his coaches for trying to game the system and not challenge right away. 
    Last thing, I feel bad for Zain. He dominated the first match. I think they ultimately got the score right in the 2nd match and I find it unlikely that Yianni would have been able to score on Zain in 30 seconds to win. It should have been a clear cut victory. BUT, his coaches did not follow the rules because they wanted to see if it would matter and it cost Zain some of the public opinion and quite possibly the match/world team.
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from DoubleHalf in Yianni/Zain Ruling   
    Any possibility he had a role in 9/11 or the Kennedy Assassination?
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    Cradle1 reacted to jmachinder in Cox deserves a nickname (and a shoe)   
    How about "The Tactician"  He is just so good at match management and being in the moment.  While some wrestlers are great at acting out in-advance strategies, J'Den is simply brilliant at reading the landscape of the match in front of him as it happens.  He makes so many small, smart decisions that all add up in a very meaningful way.  I always defined tactics as being reactive and J'Den is simply a master at doing the right thing that second.   
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from olddirty in Official Striking Wrestler at Fargo   
    I believe the current scientific consensus is that your existence proves otherwise.
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    Cradle1 reacted to whaletail in J' Den will take out Snyder at the Olympic Trials   
    As fantastic as the OTTs will assuredly be, it just makes me angry that so many deserving hammers may never get to wrestle in an Olympics.
    Six f%cking weight classes is awful.
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from jsmalls131313 in Official Striking Wrestler at Fargo   
    Didn’t those great chieftains drive out (aka slaughter) other tribes that were previously living on the lands they inhabited?  And those tribes wiped out other tribes who wiped out the Neanderthals who wiped out various hominids etc.  So by your logic- Everyone is a foreigner except the original single celled organisms that lived 4 billion years ago. 
    But hey, don’t let reality get in the way of a good self loathing narrative which creates an odd feeling of moral superiority.
     
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from jsmalls131313 in Official Striking Wrestler at Fargo   
    Didn’t those great chieftains drive out (aka slaughter) other tribes that were previously living on the lands they inhabited?  And those tribes wiped out other tribes who wiped out the Neanderthals who wiped out various hominids etc.  So by your logic- Everyone is a foreigner except the original single celled organisms that lived 4 billion years ago. 
    But hey, don’t let reality get in the way of a good self loathing narrative which creates an odd feeling of moral superiority.
     
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from red blades in Zain's left knee?   
    Presumably it means winning a world title without giving up a single point?
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    Cradle1 reacted to CrewWrestling in What we learned at Dogu   
    Truth is Yianni won that match and is actually now at a 3-1 advantage in the Zain series. 
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from cangemi in Bo Nickal   
    Throw in ringer, who damn well could be a world champ by then. Now imagine that Dake decides to go 189... could be four world champs in one weight. Plus zahid, hall, and Nickal. 
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    Cradle1 got a reaction from red blades in Zain's left knee?   
    Presumably it means winning a world title without giving up a single point?
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