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    matness got a reaction from Yellow_Medal in Junior World Freestyle Aug 1 -2   
    I feel like hall is one of the first american wrestlers who can score just as easily after letting an opponent get in on him. This seems to be more of an international feel, and the americans are usually like the Iranian kid was against Mark with tons of deep shots and yet losing points. 
     
    Alot of these international guys don't seem to have go to offense unless you give them something to counter. The Turkish kid Hall went against had no offense and Mark wisely went conservative. I think Hall is an example of what training freestyle young can do for you. he is like a russian.
     
    The opposite is Moore. He wrestles folkstyle. That Georgian that beat him proved he doesn't have that great of offense in the final. Moore though is a pro of taking deep straight on leg shots like folkstyle you can see coming a mile away that leave him in a compromised position to counters. He doesn't seem as comfortable in space. I think Moore has a long way to go to being competitive for any senior level events because he just isn't freestyle savy.
     
    McKee a kid who didn't even place at NCAA's making such a big impact at juniors is impressive for usa wrestling.
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    matness got a reaction from Peso in Nice job freestyle   
    This USA team I agree is strong, and I have to say it highlights just how impressive Irans world cup performance was against us shutting down so many quality wrestlers.
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    matness got a reaction from sgallan in Burroughs   
    Burroughs is a class act, he gave Dake all the credit in the world after the match even acknowledging how hard it must be for Dake to go from on top of the sport to not being able to make a team and yet still continuing to train. Not many champs acknowledge that about their competitors. The whining from the Dake crowd is complete sour grapes. Is Burroughs dirty ? I applaud him for hands to the face, and for being tactical. That's winners do, they do what they have to win. What do losers do ? They complain to the refs and complain about the system because they can't accept they aren't good enough. 
     
    The scary thing for Dake supporters is by the time Burroughs bows out due to age Dake will also have lost a step. Think about it now, Burroughs has already lost a little step and he still has a quickness edge on Dake. As Dake ages, his lost step is going to have a much bigger impact on him and Dake's already getting up there in age. The Mark Hall's will very possibly be on top by the time Burroughs gives up his reign.
     
    Burroughs was clearly the better wrestler today. How many more times did he get to the legs in on singles ? I think alot more. Outside of Dake's big 4 pointer, Burroughs was clearly superior. It's time for Dake fans to recognize the sample size is large enough. 
     
    Dake outscored Burroughs something like 11-3 in the first period the first two matches and then got crushed in the second. I think this is something Dake needs to adjust too because the shut down tactic with a lead works against everyone else but not against Burroughs.
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    matness got a reaction from NYWRESTLER94 in Burroughs   
    Burroughs is a class act, he gave Dake all the credit in the world after the match even acknowledging how hard it must be for Dake to go from on top of the sport to not being able to make a team and yet still continuing to train. Not many champs acknowledge that about their competitors. The whining from the Dake crowd is complete sour grapes. Is Burroughs dirty ? I applaud him for hands to the face, and for being tactical. That's winners do, they do what they have to win. What do losers do ? They complain to the refs and complain about the system because they can't accept they aren't good enough. 
     
    The scary thing for Dake supporters is by the time Burroughs bows out due to age Dake will also have lost a step. Think about it now, Burroughs has already lost a little step and he still has a quickness edge on Dake. As Dake ages, his lost step is going to have a much bigger impact on him and Dake's already getting up there in age. The Mark Hall's will very possibly be on top by the time Burroughs gives up his reign.
     
    Burroughs was clearly the better wrestler today. How many more times did he get to the legs in on singles ? I think alot more. Outside of Dake's big 4 pointer, Burroughs was clearly superior. It's time for Dake fans to recognize the sample size is large enough. 
     
    Dake outscored Burroughs something like 11-3 in the first period the first two matches and then got crushed in the second. I think this is something Dake needs to adjust too because the shut down tactic with a lead works against everyone else but not against Burroughs.
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    matness got a reaction from Ari Gold in Fire The Official   
    DT is like the offensive spread team in football that wins games by 40 points but when they face a team with an actual defense they get shut down.  
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    matness got a reaction from Yellow_Medal in Burroughs   
    See this is the problem for Dake fans. At some point your arguments don't hold water when you have 7 losses.  Some of the excuses, from being inexperienced at freestyle the first go around to then having some questionable calls go against him in the next three in very close matches. Actually led me to believe as well that Dake could take Burroughs out.
     
    But with 2 more wins for Burroughs, and no questionable calls this time the case that Dake is just as good or better is not there anymore. 
     
    Burroughs got called for hands to the face in one match, and he never went there again. Just like he didn't allow himself to get chest locked by Dake again when he was in a similar position. 
     
    All excuses for Dake went out when you change weights just because of the challenge tournament, and then when you have a new opportunity to win and sit out you lose by wrestling conservative. 
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    matness got a reaction from CaliWrestler in Burroughs   
    See this is the problem for Dake fans. At some point your arguments don't hold water when you have 7 losses.  Some of the excuses, from being inexperienced at freestyle the first go around to then having some questionable calls go against him in the next three in very close matches. Actually led me to believe as well that Dake could take Burroughs out.
     
    But with 2 more wins for Burroughs, and no questionable calls this time the case that Dake is just as good or better is not there anymore. 
     
    Burroughs got called for hands to the face in one match, and he never went there again. Just like he didn't allow himself to get chest locked by Dake again when he was in a similar position. 
     
    All excuses for Dake went out when you change weights just because of the challenge tournament, and then when you have a new opportunity to win and sit out you lose by wrestling conservative. 
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    matness got a reaction from CaliWrestler in Burroughs   
    Burroughs is a class act, he gave Dake all the credit in the world after the match even acknowledging how hard it must be for Dake to go from on top of the sport to not being able to make a team and yet still continuing to train. Not many champs acknowledge that about their competitors. The whining from the Dake crowd is complete sour grapes. Is Burroughs dirty ? I applaud him for hands to the face, and for being tactical. That's winners do, they do what they have to win. What do losers do ? They complain to the refs and complain about the system because they can't accept they aren't good enough. 
     
    The scary thing for Dake supporters is by the time Burroughs bows out due to age Dake will also have lost a step. Think about it now, Burroughs has already lost a little step and he still has a quickness edge on Dake. As Dake ages, his lost step is going to have a much bigger impact on him and Dake's already getting up there in age. The Mark Hall's will very possibly be on top by the time Burroughs gives up his reign.
     
    Burroughs was clearly the better wrestler today. How many more times did he get to the legs in on singles ? I think alot more. Outside of Dake's big 4 pointer, Burroughs was clearly superior. It's time for Dake fans to recognize the sample size is large enough. 
     
    Dake outscored Burroughs something like 11-3 in the first period the first two matches and then got crushed in the second. I think this is something Dake needs to adjust too because the shut down tactic with a lead works against everyone else but not against Burroughs.
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    matness got a reaction from GockeS in Burroughs   
    Burroughs is a class act, he gave Dake all the credit in the world after the match even acknowledging how hard it must be for Dake to go from on top of the sport to not being able to make a team and yet still continuing to train. Not many champs acknowledge that about their competitors. The whining from the Dake crowd is complete sour grapes. Is Burroughs dirty ? I applaud him for hands to the face, and for being tactical. That's winners do, they do what they have to win. What do losers do ? They complain to the refs and complain about the system because they can't accept they aren't good enough. 
     
    The scary thing for Dake supporters is by the time Burroughs bows out due to age Dake will also have lost a step. Think about it now, Burroughs has already lost a little step and he still has a quickness edge on Dake. As Dake ages, his lost step is going to have a much bigger impact on him and Dake's already getting up there in age. The Mark Hall's will very possibly be on top by the time Burroughs gives up his reign.
     
    Burroughs was clearly the better wrestler today. How many more times did he get to the legs in on singles ? I think alot more. Outside of Dake's big 4 pointer, Burroughs was clearly superior. It's time for Dake fans to recognize the sample size is large enough. 
     
    Dake outscored Burroughs something like 11-3 in the first period the first two matches and then got crushed in the second. I think this is something Dake needs to adjust too because the shut down tactic with a lead works against everyone else but not against Burroughs.
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    matness got a reaction from pjm46 in Burroughs   
    See this is the problem for Dake fans. At some point your arguments don't hold water when you have 7 losses.  Some of the excuses, from being inexperienced at freestyle the first go around to then having some questionable calls go against him in the next three in very close matches. Actually led me to believe as well that Dake could take Burroughs out.
     
    But with 2 more wins for Burroughs, and no questionable calls this time the case that Dake is just as good or better is not there anymore. 
     
    Burroughs got called for hands to the face in one match, and he never went there again. Just like he didn't allow himself to get chest locked by Dake again when he was in a similar position. 
     
    All excuses for Dake went out when you change weights just because of the challenge tournament, and then when you have a new opportunity to win and sit out you lose by wrestling conservative. 
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    matness got a reaction from pjm46 in Burroughs   
    Burroughs is a class act, he gave Dake all the credit in the world after the match even acknowledging how hard it must be for Dake to go from on top of the sport to not being able to make a team and yet still continuing to train. Not many champs acknowledge that about their competitors. The whining from the Dake crowd is complete sour grapes. Is Burroughs dirty ? I applaud him for hands to the face, and for being tactical. That's winners do, they do what they have to win. What do losers do ? They complain to the refs and complain about the system because they can't accept they aren't good enough. 
     
    The scary thing for Dake supporters is by the time Burroughs bows out due to age Dake will also have lost a step. Think about it now, Burroughs has already lost a little step and he still has a quickness edge on Dake. As Dake ages, his lost step is going to have a much bigger impact on him and Dake's already getting up there in age. The Mark Hall's will very possibly be on top by the time Burroughs gives up his reign.
     
    Burroughs was clearly the better wrestler today. How many more times did he get to the legs in on singles ? I think alot more. Outside of Dake's big 4 pointer, Burroughs was clearly superior. It's time for Dake fans to recognize the sample size is large enough. 
     
    Dake outscored Burroughs something like 11-3 in the first period the first two matches and then got crushed in the second. I think this is something Dake needs to adjust too because the shut down tactic with a lead works against everyone else but not against Burroughs.
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    matness got a reaction from headache in Fire The Official   
    DT is like the offensive spread team in football that wins games by 40 points but when they face a team with an actual defense they get shut down.  
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    matness got a reaction from Roadkill in Fire The Official   
    DT is like the offensive spread team in football that wins games by 40 points but when they face a team with an actual defense they get shut down.  
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    matness got a reaction from NJDan in Fire The Official   
    DT is like the offensive spread team in football that wins games by 40 points but when they face a team with an actual defense they get shut down.  
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    matness got a reaction from cjc007 in Fire The Official   
    Taylor has a knack for not being able to score late when it matters
     
    Dake tried to play defense with a lead and shut down Burroughs tonight like he has Taylor in the past but Burroughs isn't Taylor
     
    The second match on Cox defense showed it is superior to anything Taylor has
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    matness got a reaction from Ari Gold in Who's Gonna Pull the Austin DeSanto @ NCAAs   
    Jordan over Martinez
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    matness got a reaction from BadgerMon in Who's Gonna Pull the Austin DeSanto @ NCAAs   
    Jordan over Martinez
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    matness got a reaction from Alwayswrestling in dake is a BEAST   
    Dake made a horrible decision moving up to 84 - his goal is to win medals not make the team. He is too small for 84.
     
    With all the talk about the rules of leg lace in Freestyle, Dake was right there with Burroughs.
     
    Take out that throw in the first match that was somewhat controversial, and Dake not being ready and getting laced and Dake looked like he could hang with Burroughs
     
    Of all the matches I want to see a 74k match between Dake and Burroughs again. 
     
    Dake looks like he has improved his offense this year too, able to get to the leg in must score situations or die and he did so against Perry, and Cox a few times.
     
    With what a gamer Dake is, it's a real headscratcher that he moved up IMO. He should try to take Burroughs out. 
     
    Dake is talented enough not to be afraid of anybody. 
     
    - Also Dake was just coming back from a injury when he faced Burroughs last year and did not have much mat time.
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    matness got a reaction from dtl38 in The closest dual ever with emphasis on each close match????   
    Agree. The concept of a "team" champion should not be based on only a few "I's" remember there is no "i" in team except in Division 1 Wrestling. In football this year Alabama was the best "team" but let's say a MAC school like Marshall had a Randy Moss type at wide receiver, Ben Roethlisberger at qb, the best dtackle in the nation, and the best corner in the nation. Now everyone else on this football team sucked. Alabama as a team would DESTROY this mac team but if we are basing it on division 1 wrestling, the mac team would win because the have the more elite individuals.
     
    We have it wrong. We aren't crowning the best team. It also waters down the sport to a very few programs and takes alot of parity and interest away. It essentially becomes "who gets the most 5 stars every year will be the national champion" The cream of the crop is only going to go to a few schools, Oklahoma State, penn state, iowa, etc everyone else just kick rocks you have no shot
     
    football or basketball is more popular in part because 20 plus teams could win a national championship. The underdog and the school that takes 3 stars and turns them into solid players and comes together as a team simply doesn't matter in wrestling
     
    really is a shame and a discredit that schools like missouri, nebraska and the like field complete teams from top to bottom with tough guys that weren't five stars is basically meaningless. When is it arguably the best accomplishment and matters the most to building a real "TEAM"
     
    This is the main reason duals need to matter in the team race, at least need to be half of the point process if you want to combine it with nationals. The other thing I like is duals have a more exciting feel to them an us vs them mentality and there is more strategy involved, like an unranked kid holding a ranked kid to a decision is huge I love seeing that kind of stuff.
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