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  1. I was thinking the same, but listen to the guy on Jason's podcast. I can see why he must have given a great interview. Not to throw someone like Kevin Jackson under the bus, but compare his results and the time it has taken to get even to where he is now, to guys like Borelli at Stanford, his dad at Central Michigan, Smith at Missouri, or Popolizio at NC State. I'm sure on the front end those hires were underwhelming since those guys were not NCAA Champs, or Olympic Gold Medalists, or even All Americans. In other words - give it time.
  2. Think about how much lower the participation levels are in BJJ than Wrestling. Then imagine that those practicing or claiming to practice Catch is astronomically smaller than even BJJ. How many Catch Wrestling tournaments are there? How many people compete in them? The numbers are tiny. So, that's not to say people claiming to teach "Catch Wrestling" might not have good ideas, but the proving ground to show that they work at a high level against skilled opponents is limited at best. That would not be as big of a problem, but it's compounded by the total lack, as far as I am aware, of any universally accepted teaching syllabus or promotional structure/requirements. BJJ lacks this, but there are well attended tournaments every weekend (like in wrestling) where you can go see the best compete against each other and what techniques work at the highest level. My experience, 9 times out of 10, is that the people claiming catch are folks with no rank in Judo, BJJ, or any other mainstream grappling art trying to tap into some "ancient and mysterious" BS like Kung Fu guys whose moves are "too deadly" to practice full speed. But when you get down to it, if your legitimacy is tied to pro wrestling or carnival wrestling in the rural United States a century ago, you are really grasping at straws. And before someone mentions Barnett, let's just be clear - his instructor, Erik Paulson, is a BJJ black belt. And Sakuraba was a Freestyle wrestler. There has literally never been a pure "Catch" representative that has competed and done well the way that Royce did for jiu jitsu, Mark Coleman for wrestling, etc. If you want to learn a jiu jitsu style that is more adapted for wrestlers, train with MMA guys. Hayastan/Gokor also have an interesting style, which has been verified at the highest level of the sport. tl;dr catch is a joke, run far away from anyone claiming to teach it to you that isnt named Josh Barnett, and even then, what competitors as Josh produced in grappling?
  3. So, thats one thing jiu jitsu does better as a whole than wrestling or judo - the ability to make money running a school, teaching seminars, etc. That said, market saturation is a real thing and many high level jiu jitsu players are unable or fail to make a decent living with schools and seminars. Being good at any sport does not mean you are good at business. And success at an olympic sport doesn't guarantee the government will take care of you like they do in Russia and other former Eastern Bloc states. Back to my earlier example, it is a failure of American wrestling that Ben Askren, Daniel Cormier, Jon Jones, and many others are in MMA rather than wrestling. Brazil has a solid judo program, but it's wrestling is abysmal. Would the nation of Brazil be better served if guys like the Mendes Bros were doing freestyle wrestling? Maybe yes, maybe not. But I would love to see it.
  4. If that really is the mindset, then Brazil has serious problems - both the athletes and the governing bodies. If Olympic, truly international level athletes are staying in the much smaller waters of jiu jitsu, that's simply a tremendous failure by the Judo and Wrestling folks in Brazil. I'm not trying to come down too hard on Brazil. The United States wrestles a non-olympic style in high schools and colleges and lacks any coherent, nationwide judo program. And we also have many of our best athlete ending up in American football or baseball, which are not exactly international sports either. That said, you can't compare the professionalism of the IBJJF or ADCC to NCAA Wrestling, let alone the NFL or MLB. Even ADCC, the best paying event in BJJ, offers you the chance to win what, like 40K every 2 years? Again, I know Russia takes pride in Sambo, but nobody that could be on the Olympic team in Judo or Wrestling is spending their best years or bulk of their time in Sambo, because Olympic sports offer better opportunities for the athletes and host nations.
  5. No, it's like the difference between being a NCAA Champ and a World Champ - no matter what a delusional jiu jitsu practitioner or fan might think.
  6. The point you seem to fail to grasp is that nobody in jiu jitsu takes FILA Grappling seriously, or about as seriously as most wrestlers do Beach Wrestling.
  7. Probably for the same reason Russia doesn't have an American Folkstyle wrestling team.
  8. Not really sure the point in replying if you think there are people that would chose being a BJJ "world" champion over Olympian, let alone Olympic medalist or champion. I'm not sure the precise reward structure for being a world class athlete in an Olympic sport in Brazil, but I know for a fact that beyond there being no prize money for IBJJF events (pans and worlds), you have to PAY to compete. Not to mention the astronomically higher prestige when comparing the Olympics to "Mundials"
  9. Leg grabs yes, but lots of the gripping restrictions started to appear when the Soviets appeared on the scene decades ago with unorthodox Sambo inspired grips. Other than Rousey? Fedor for one, Karo. You will see less and less "BJJ" guys in MMA as sport bjj and mma continue to diverge, but in rulesets and tactics, and as MMA becomes its own discipline.
  10. So you live in Brazil but you've never heard of Flavio Canto?
  11. Judo had to ban certain grips, limit times for others, and ultimately ban leg grabs for a reason. Not to say jacket wrestling doesn't develop extremely valuable skills for MMA, but Judo is extremely artificial at this point.
  12. Yeah it is dude. Nobody that is an Olympic level athlete is choosing BJJ over Judo in Brazil, just like nobody that is Olympic level in Russia is choosing Sambo over Judo.
  13. Barnett is trying to sell himself and his products with his catch gimmick. He might claim to have never trained BJJ, but Erik Paulson's style is heavily influenced by the positions and philosophies of Gracie/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I'm also certain the vast majority of his training partners over the year were not "catch wrestlers" either. And Jiu Jitsu is not the gi, the gi is just a tool that allows for different techniques. At end of the day though, many of these distinctions are dubious, because as long as you compete full contact in a relatively open ruleset, most of the winning techniques/solutions will look very much alike regardless of the perspective from which you started.
  14. Back to the point of the original post, wrestling needs to ask itself why jiu jitsu is doing such an astronomically better job getting and keeping people on the mat outside of the 15-22 year old male demographic. Even judo in the united states beats wrestling in this sense. Or why even those close to UWW fail to be engaged by FILA Grappling or other submission styles, such as catch.
  15. While I agree that the talent pool is deeper in wrestling, grappling is grappling. That said, low to mid level wrestlers in bjj and mma have excelled whereas some stars have fizzled. It depends on style and commitment. Truth be told, for 99% of people in jiu jitsu in the US or Brazil, if they had the talent, they would be wrestling or doing judo.
  16. Just because serious grapplers have done FILA Grappling does not mean the grappling community takes it seriously. It might be an opportunity to win a tournament, promote your name, but the only BJJ tournaments that truly matter are ADCC and black belt gi worlds. Barnett has trained BJJ extensively, as has his coach. Sakuraba was a freestyle wrestler. You can find hundreds of legit grapplers that have ONLY ever done BJJ, or Judo, or Free/Folk/Greco, but you'll never find a good grappler that has only done catch. Why? Because it's a marketing gimmick. If it ever was legit, and the history is shady on that, it certainly isn't now.
  17. FILA Grappling is a joke, as is Catch Wrestling. They are to BJJ what Cornish Wrestling is to Freestyle.
  18. If this kid previously committed to Northwestern, I think UNC or UVA are more likely than NC State or VT. Duke with an outside shot. Doubt Pitt is in the running. Michigan and Stanford seem like similar options.
  19. Yeah, individual matches is what I was talking about, but I see the point you and others have made - that's not an insurmountable barrier to preferring Flo over ESPN3/the Ocho.
  20. It's not unreasonable to assume Snyder will be around for 2020 and 2024 - even at 2028 he would "only" be 32. Plenty of time to develop his top game, especially when you consider how much he has improved over the last 12 months.
  21. i guess reading is not my strong suit. thanks again all. i take everything back i said about moving things from espn3 to flo, lol.
  22. awesome thanks. any way to watch first round, quarters, semis etc again?
  23. "a result of changes in funding and priorities" - what?
  24. On the other side of the coin, wonder if Pariano applies for Cal Poly/Fresno St?
  25. Fair points. I guess I just like the way Flo promotes, but ESPN did do a good job and brought in good people. And ESPN airing it doesn't prevent Flo from promoting. I guess the one thing I still really want is access to full matches after the fact.
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